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 i mean who the gently caress are all these people going to play. they nearly all look extremely 30 years old and not at all like numenoreans who are generally old men
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Here's a thread about an actual ring that might have given JRRT some inspiration for at least part of the ring's interaction with wearers, especially those who stole it from others: https://twitter.com/OptimoPrincipi/status/1281534833320222721
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Shibawanko posted:
If the guy 5th from the left on the bottom row doesn't play some sort of minor villain, maybe a stand-in for one of the Trump kids, I don't know anything about TV casting anymore I guess. edit: poo poo, that gold ring owns.
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Jul 10, 2020 20:38
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top row, third guy from the left is going to deliver all his lines with a grunting voice
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Jul 10, 2020 20:39
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The Saruman thing is actually a neat new detail in the book, although I think it can be read as an imperfection in Gandalf's character (from our perspective) or a sign of Saruman's cunning, because he puts Gandalf's off the scent while taking advantage of what was, presumably, a dutiful willingness to trust the word of his senior in their little order. I imagine Gandalf knew enough Ringlore to realize that he shouldn't play into the thing's hands.
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Pham Nuwen posted:If the guy 5th from the left on the bottom row doesn't play some sort of minor villain, maybe a stand-in for one of the Trump kids, I don't know anything about TV casting anymore I guess. yeah i thought that too. the guy to the right of him looks like he'll play an evil court fop who says like "yeeeeeeees....?" or like "his majesty is currently indisposed"
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Shibawanko posted:top row, third guy from the left is going to deliver all his lines with a grunting voice He'll be an Easterling that's just a Khal Drogo ripoff and love interest for the redhead second bottom left who's an elf.
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Jul 10, 2020 21:53
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Oracle posted:He'll be an Easterling that's just a Khal Drogo ripoff and love interest for the redhead second bottom left who's an elf. thats actually galadriel, apparently i mean i dont mind actors' appearances that much but all of these people look TV as gently caress and arent really established actors, like they were all just chosen for being fresh faced and easy on the eyes
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Jul 10, 2020 21:57
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Oracle posted:He'll be an Easterling that's just a Khal Drogo ripoff and love interest for the redhead second bottom left who's an elf. They'll go full wainriders or just use the Balchoth so they can make eastern stereotypes.
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Jul 10, 2020 22:08
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Shibawanko posted:thats actually galadriel, apparently At least Nazanin Boniadi, the woman to the right of "Galadriel", was fantastic on Counterpart
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Nessus posted:I imagine Gandalf knew enough Ringlore to realize that he shouldn't play into the thing's hands. He didn't want to make Narya jealous.
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Jul 10, 2020 23:05
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Shibawanko posted:thats actually galadriel, apparently Generically beautiful, as I heard "The 100" described once.
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Tree Bucket posted:YES I appreciate that while there is no Vala of War, there is a Vala of Dumb Jocks Who Love A Good Fight.
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Shibawanko posted:
For the record , I'm skeptical of any of this poo poo, I was extremely skeptical of The Witcher tv series and was plesantly surprised that it was fun. I'm gonna be generous here. Why would the Numenoreans be old men? In the middle the of the 2nd age, there would be all ages of Numenoreans. Until the very end they were a thriving civilization. they also were explicitly colonial, with settlements across Middle Earth. The optimistic look on the series is that the 2nd age is a sandbox. It's the least explored area of Tolkien's canon, and offers a huge amount of leeway to tell stories that do not intersect with established characters. The fact that they picked it means at least one person there seem to grasp this, and might actually give a drat. Hollywood is gonna Hollywood, but im willing to least allow for the possibility that these are people that at least enjoy the source material, and maybe even love it. Maybe they picked kinda lovely names, and im sure there will be bad choices, but maybe it will at least be a cool story overall, and failing that, maybe someoen else gets inspired and we get something else dope from it. Tolkien's world is one of the most well realized in fantasy/sci fi, and if competant people play around in it, we can get some cool poo poo. i know Shadow of War gets mocked for Sexy Shelob, but the stuff they did exploring who the Nazgul were, and implicating Sauron in the fall of great names like Helm Hammerhand was cool and fun in my opinion, and is the kind of thing that to me is fun and interesting. To compare it to another thing, the star wars EU was a giant mixed bag that ranged from cool poo poo to absolute garbage, but the cool poo poo was worth it.
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Ehhhh... list of old Star Wars EU that hold up when revisited as an adult with a critical eye: maybe Knights of the Old Republic 2?, famously written by someone who hates Star Wars. Maybe that's the secret. If you meet Tom Bombadil on the road, kill him.
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The Witcher show landed with people because it was dumb, campy, and completely impossible to take seriously, a couple months after Game of Thrones tried to be so mature and serious that it finally pissed off too much of its gigantic fan base and disappeared up its own rear end in a top hat, never to return. But Witcher too will shortly become a train wreck as it follows its own book series in its respective disappearance-up-rear end. Or alternatively it could strike out on its own and become a train wreck that way. Imagined posted:Ehhhh... list of old Star Wars EU that hold up when revisited as an adult with a critical eye: maybe Knights of the Old Republic 2?, famously written by someone who hates Star Wars. Maybe that's the secret. If you meet Tom Bombadil on the road, kill him. Unjust dismissal of the Lando Calrissian Adventures
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Yeah I'm just kind of in wait-and-see mode. Maybe it'll be great like early Game of Thrones, maybe it'll be decent and enjoyable like the Witcher. Maybe it'll suck. But honestly I'll just stop watching whenever I stop enjoying it so it's not a huge deal  I enjoy the Jackson LOTR films so I re-watch them occasionally, every few years I guess. I didn't like the Hobbit films so I've never re-visited them and I don't intend to. Related question: I've never actually watched anything on Amazon Prime (it launched pretty late in Australia). Are any of their original shows actually good?
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I liked Carnival Row. It’s unbelievably trashy but I found it fun. Fantasy imperial Britain with underclass of fairies
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Finally I’ve found it, speaking of Rinkitink in Oz earlier I have to share the illustration that for some reason I’ve always associated with Tulkas
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webmeister posted:Related question: I've never actually watched anything on Amazon Prime (it launched pretty late in Australia). Are any of their original shows actually good? Now that The Expanse is on there... The Boys was also pretty good. I liked Electric Sheep on there too.
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Data Graham posted:Finally I’ve found it, speaking of Rinkitink in Oz earlier I have to share the illustration that for some reason I’ve always associated with Tulkas Oz illustrations are lit 
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skasion posted:I liked Carnival Row. It’s unbelievably trashy but I found it fun. Fantasy imperial Britain with underclass of fairies I was just about to ask if you actually liked anything.
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webmeister posted:Yeah I'm just kind of in wait-and-see mode. Maybe it'll be great like early Game of Thrones, maybe it'll be decent and enjoyable like the Witcher. Maybe it'll suck. But honestly I'll just stop watching whenever I stop enjoying it so it's not a huge deal The Tick was great, but they cancelled it.
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Ynglaur posted:I was just about to ask if you actually liked anything. I like Lord of the Rings
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The Tick was great, but they cancelled it. Would it really be a Tick show if it wasn't, and they didn't?
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PMush Perfect posted:I don’t really have anything to add, I just want to say that this is a good post. Thanks! I've enjoyed this thread a lot and I'm glad it's still active. I learn new stuff here all the time.
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The character names and the cast not being previously famous won't be the problem - it's that numenor isn't a very interesting story to begin with. I thought game of thrones was always bad I figured the trashiness was part of the appealHieronymous Alloy posted:Look, everyone is very clearly pretending that the Arkenstone is not a Silmaril, for political reasons Oh drat, I never thought of that, love it! Thrain: "It took centuries of digging, but at last, we found it!" Elvish Ambassador: "Found what?" Thrain: "The Sim-er ah, Arkenstone! Ok good to see ya bye"
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Blood Boils posted:Oh drat, I never thought of that, love it! There are a few issues with the idea. First, Maedhros was much further west, probably somewhere near modern Lindon, when he took the Silmaril with him into the earth. Second, the Silmarils were hallowed "so that thereafter no mortal flesh [...] might touch them, but it was scorched and withered[,]" and as a mortal Bilbo definitely should've been burned when handling the Arkenstone if it was a Silmaril. Third, the Silmarils are made of some substance said to appear "like the crystal of diamonds [...], and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda." We are told that the Dwarves of Erebor worked facets into the Arkenstone, so it clearly cannot be of the same substance. The first issue is easily handwaved as an issue of lava flows or perhaps a consequence of Eru's reshaping of the world at the end of the Second Age, but the issue of Bilbo being unburnt and the Dwarves being able to carve facets into unmarrable crystal are not so swiftly dismissed. Therefore, I posit that the Arkenstone is actually an accumulation of mundane crystal that has grown around the Silmaril of Maedhros during the thousands of years between its loss and recovery. Anshu fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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euphronius posted:Is any elf still bound by Feanors curse. Maglor, maybe.
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euphronius posted:Is any elf still bound by Feanors curse. Depends which curse you mean The oath of Feanor was only taken by him and his seven sons, who are all dead except maybe Maglor The curse of Mandos was binding on everyone who took part in the Kinslaying, all the Noldorin princes and their retainers, except Finarfin and the ones who went back with him when the curse was first announced. So Galadriel, Gildor and the rest of the exiles are all bound by the same curse, but they don’t have the extra problem of being bound by the Oath.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:For the record , I'm skeptical of any of this poo poo, I was extremely skeptical of The Witcher tv series and was plesantly surprised that it was fun. I'm gonna be generous here. quote:The optimistic look on the series is that the 2nd age is a sandbox. It's the least explored area of Tolkien's canon, and offers a huge amount of leeway to tell stories that do not intersect with established characters. The fact that they picked it means at least one person there seem to grasp this, and might actually give a drat. Hollywood is gonna Hollywood, but im willing to least allow for the possibility that these are people that at least enjoy the source material, and maybe even love it. Maybe they picked kinda lovely names, and im sure there will be bad choices, but maybe it will at least be a cool story overall, and failing that, maybe someoen else gets inspired and we get something else dope from it. Tolkien's world is one of the most well realized in fantasy/sci fi, and if competant people play around in it, we can get some cool poo poo. i loved shadow of war as a game and i think the orcs themselves at least are well characterized but i never really think of it as more than a parody of tolkien. i also really didnt like the characterization of celebrimbor because celebrimbor in the books is clearly a well intentioned person who wants to learn from his family's mistakes but who just gets manipulated, while in the game he's just an rear end in a top hat
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webmeister posted:Yeah I'm just kind of in wait-and-see mode. Maybe it'll be great like early Game of Thrones i hated that show from the start though.. the thing is, tolkien doesn't "subvert tropes" and all that poo poo, it's all straight up traditional storytelling: all prophecies come true (even if ironically), vanity is bad, faith and modesty are good, bad guys are bad guys and while heroes aren't always heroes there are some characters that are simply straightforwardly virtuous and act like it. i really quite like this aspect of it because it's not like the cynical "realism" of most shows and offers something that's otherwise not really seen anymore. this also makes it very TV-unfriendly because contemporary TV can't handle virtue and is all about showing fingolfin's secret pornhub account
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The worst thing TV Tropes ever did for humanity was convince people that number of  subverted tropes in a work is an objective measure of its quality.
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Shibawanko posted:i hated that show from the start though.. There is definitely that level of cynicism and realism in lots of media now. It bleeds into the acting a lot too to where actors aren't as willing (or able maybe?) to give authentic performances because they're always aware that they're in a movie or show and they're aware that the audience knows that too. It's like writers and actors are afraid to be vulnerable. It's hard to even imagine something like Lord of the Rings being written today.
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PMush Perfect posted:The worst thing TV Tropes ever did for humanity was convince people that number of it's a website created by the dumbest, lamest group of people on the planet: josh whedon fans i hate the word "trope" because it's used to dissect and quantify fiction while removing ethics. a "trope" doesn't tell you anything about how you feel about a character or story or whether it's good or bad, it just enumerates parts without any sense of the whole, which makes them very useful to design-by-committee commercial fiction since they can just tick boxes
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Ginette Reno posted:There is definitely that level of cynicism and realism in lots of media now. It bleeds into the acting a lot too to where actors aren't as willing (or able maybe?) to give authentic performances because they're always aware that they're in a movie or show and they're aware that the audience knows that too. It's like writers and actors are afraid to be vulnerable. It's hard to even imagine something like Lord of the Rings being written today. I dunno if actors were more capable of being "authentic" goblins or that audiences were less aware that fiction isn't real . . in the good old days? Like dude I'm not trying to diss you or anything, just really not sure what you're trying to say
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Blood Boils posted:I dunno if actors were more capable of being "authentic" goblins or that audiences were less aware that fiction isn't real . . in the good old days?
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if they'd done a first age show they'd take the relationship between fingon and maedhros and turn two guys who love eachother devil may care into "get it? they're freaking GAY! fingon is uke and maedhros is seme. they gently caress." and milk that for all the anime fanart and money it's worth
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Shibawanko posted:if they'd done a first age show they'd take the relationship between fingon and maedhros and turn two guys who love eachother devil may care into "get it? they're freaking GAY! fingon is uke and maedhros is seme. they gently caress." and milk that for all the anime fanart and money it's worth That sounds fine tbh It's absurd they are doing a 2nd age show, it's the lamest age by a hobbit mile even Tolkien knew this
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