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stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



peanut- posted:

I was just at the shops for a while and maybe one person in twenty at the most was wearing a mask. They need to make them mandatory.

I think the problem is that they've been turned into a 'wear them in these specific places' thing. Most people know to wear them on trains and immediately take them off when they leave the station.

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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


CareyB posted:

Hi, I pay employees each month and have to deal with their pensions.

So just to be clear you have a job where there are various company costs deducted from your wages before your final pay?

Because you are clearly making standard contributions as part of your normal deductions but the fact that you have that additional pension cost there is fishy.

Do you have the contribution %s available (both yours and your employers) as well as any info from the pension provider they’re signed up to?

Obviously you’d think they shouldn’t be allowed to add the employers pension contribution to your own loving pay deductions so if you can find/get that info you should be able to make a case for having that removed and refunded.

Yes, the company costs are taken before my final pay.

I've had a look on the website and it states my contribution is 5% of earnings which includes tax relief and my employer contribution is 3% of my earnings.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004



He really never had a chance did he? I've always thought that he should have come out harder against the AS smear and probably done a purge but none of it would have really helped. It makes me laugh that if you ask people up and down the country they'll say that you can't trust the media and they just make stuff up yet anything remotely anti-Corbyn was eagerly lapped up.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


stev posted:

I think the problem is that they've been turned into a 'wear them in these specific places' thing. Most people know to wear them on trains and immediately take them off when they leave the station.

TBF that's because it seems safe to not wear them outdoors - so if you're just walking down the street and there's enough space to distance, there's no need to wear it after getting out the station. Requiring them indoors would be useful, but I'm honestly surprised we haven't had a infection peak like the US from the last months reopenings. Yet to be seen what the impact of pubs opening is though, that might break it.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


bessantj posted:

He really never had a chance did he? I've always thought that he should have come out harder against the AS smear and probably done a purge but none of it would have really helped. It makes me laugh that if you ask people up and down the country they'll say that you can't trust the media and they just make stuff up yet anything remotely anti-Corbyn was eagerly lapped up.

I think a purge would have helped us now.

Instead of sitting at the top of a non functioning party of right wing saboteurs and racists for 5 years pretending they had some kind of long term plan and failing to even set up a successor...

I don't know how much they coulda done but its probably more than the gently caress all we got

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

peanut- posted:

I was just at the shops for a while and maybe one person in twenty at the most was wearing a mask. They need to make them mandatory.

they're not exactly cheap is part of the problem and the government aren't providing them

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
So Obama was directly responsible for Bolsonaro becoming president of brazil

https://twitter.com/BrianMteleSUR/status/1281538601814315008

Cabal Ties
Feb 28, 2004
Yam Slacker

bessantj posted:

Yes, the company costs are taken before my final pay.

I've had a look on the website and it states my contribution is 5% of earnings which includes tax relief and my employer contribution is 3% of my earnings.

Any info on the pension provider? We’re you given the chance to opt out?

The contributions look correct but I can’t imagine a world where it’s legal that your employers contributions are paid by the employee.

I’m by no means a pensions expert but had to sort this for my staff when the government mandated we had to provide pension schemes for employees. I just can’t imagine a scenario where it can be right that they put their contribution cost onto you just cos businesses are legally oblidged to contribute... but not sure if it’s specifically illegal or just massively underhanded, however you should be able to opt out of the scheme completely if you want.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jose posted:

they're not exactly cheap is part of the problem and the government aren't providing them

If my old man hadn't bought a couple of hundred of the things I'd not have my own.

On the plus side, the 3 times I've been to the shop this week, mask wearing has been at 100% between staff & customers, despite masks only becoming mandatory here yesterday

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


Pod's back! We had some technical difficulties with the last recording but your thread-own hot takes machine is here for you on your way to the disease factory/pub.

https://twitter.com/PraxisCast/status/1281918149470846978?s=20

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


CareyB posted:

Any info on the pension provider? We’re you given the chance to opt out?

The contributions look correct but I can’t imagine a world where it’s legal that your employers contributions are paid by the employee.

I’m by no means a pensions expert but had to sort this for my staff when the government mandated we had to provide pension schemes for employees. I just can’t imagine a scenario where it can be right that they put their contribution cost onto you just cos businesses are legally oblidged to contribute... but not sure if it’s specifically illegal or just massively underhanded, however you should be able to opt out of the scheme completely if you want.

It's by NEST (National Employment Savings Trust) that's the site I log onto anyway. I was given a chance to opt out but I do want a pension as I'm getting on a bit and the state pension is probably going to get worse or at least not change significantly.

OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

CareyB posted:

Any info on the pension provider? We’re you given the chance to opt out?

The contributions look correct but I can’t imagine a world where it’s legal that your employers contributions are paid by the employee.

I’m by no means a pensions expert but had to sort this for my staff when the government mandated we had to provide pension schemes for employees. I just can’t imagine a scenario where it can be right that they put their contribution cost onto you just cos businesses are legally oblidged to contribute... but not sure if it’s specifically illegal or just massively underhanded, however you should be able to opt out of the scheme completely if you want.

Looks like an umbrella style company of one where he pays all the company costs (PAYE/NIC/Pensions) and draws a salary from what's left over. I note the $47 holiday provision which i presume is held and paid out from accrued holiday payments.
Is OP a freelancer? Cos that's the setup. If you have a regular employer that you think you are employed 100% by, and not multiple clients. If you interviewed for the position then they said 'yes it's yours, here's how we pay you', then it's not OK and you should get some legal advice, cos they appear to be doing 'one weird trick to force employer costs on your employee'. Oh, and you lose 90% of employment rights too this way. If however you are a freelancer billing at multiple hundreds per day to large business, expect to change clients at least every 6-12 months (or handle multiple income streams at once), and don't want to handle all the paperwork, then the umbrella system makes sense. You are paying for the paperwork burden and the convenience tho.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


bessantj posted:

He really never had a chance did he? I've always thought that he should have come out harder against the AS smear and probably done a purge but none of it would have really helped. It makes me laugh that if you ask people up and down the country they'll say that you can't trust the media and they just make stuff up yet anything remotely anti-Corbyn was eagerly lapped up.

Apart from one (from Reuters, and much saner), every single one of those articles is from the Mail on Sunday. Kind of bonkers they published all those articles on the same day though.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


OzyMandrill posted:

Looks like an umbrella style company of one where he pays all the company costs (PAYE/NIC/Pensions) and draws a salary from what's left over. I note the $47 holiday provision which i presume is held and paid out from accrued holiday payments.
Is OP a freelancer? Cos that's the setup. If you have a regular employer that you think you are employed 100% by, and not multiple clients. If you interviewed for the position then they said 'yes it's yours, here's how we pay you', then it's not OK and you should get some legal advice, cos they appear to be doing 'one weird trick to force employer costs on your employee'. Oh, and you lose 90% of employment rights too this way. If however you are a freelancer billing at multiple hundreds per day to large business, expect to change clients at least every 6-12 months (or handle multiple income streams at once), and don't want to handle all the paperwork, then the umbrella system makes sense. You are paying for the paperwork burden and the convenience tho.

Maybe that's it. I'm on a zero hour contract and am 'employed' by the umbrella company (Payme) that pays me. Though I wasn't interviewed for the position I signed up with a company McGinleys and that company is owned by Payme. I was told to call Payme and set up an account as that's how I will be paid and then told I would be employed by Payme and my services given to McGinleys.

Comrade Fakename posted:

Apart from one (from Reuters, and much saner), every single one of those articles is from the Mail on Sunday. Kind of bonkers they published all those articles on the same day though.

And doesn't the Mail papers have the biggest circulation? They really went after him hard.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
mail online is a different beast to the actual paper. still monstrously horrible of course but different target audience

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Mail Online is strangely popular with otherwise not-awful millennials. I don't know how it managed to become the default digital news source for people who don't use Twitter.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

According to the papers today, the government is thinking about maybe making masks mandatory in shops. I'm not sure why now rather than, for example, three months ago, but better late than never I guess.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Comrade Fakename posted:

Apart from one (from Reuters, and much saner), every single one of those articles is from the Mail on Sunday. Kind of bonkers they published all those articles on the same day though.

Although I note that one of those DM articles was written by the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, before there was a whiff of Labour antisemitism scandal. Fancy that.

bessantj posted:

Maybe that's it. I'm on a zero hour contract and am 'employed' by the umbrella company (Payme) that pays me. Though I wasn't interviewed for the position I signed up with a company McGinleys and that company is owned by Payme. I was told to call Payme and set up an account as that's how I will be paid and then told I would be employed by Payme and my services given to McGinleys.

Ah, I'm also not an expert but have had to run a payroll, but that was all for 'proper' employees, so that could explain why it's different.

There should be a paragraph or two in your employment contract with Payme that lists the deductions they're making I should imagine...

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

stev posted:

Mail Online is strangely popular with otherwise not-awful millennials. I don't know how it managed to become the default digital news source for people who don't use Twitter.

Really extensive and effective SEO meaning that it's inevitably the top result on Google for almost any given story.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Prince John posted:

Although I note that one of those DM articles was written by the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, before there was a whiff of Labour antisemitism scandal. Fancy that.



he's racist as gently caress and was talking about nigel farage being the saviour of western civilisation long before corbyn was leader

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

stev posted:

Mail Online is strangely popular with otherwise not-awful millennials. I don't know how it managed to become the default digital news source for people who don't use Twitter.

Mail online does very... good?* gossip and celebrity stuff, which I think it the draw.

*I don't know what the right adjective is here, to be honest. The Mail supplies this stuff in a way which is very appealing to people who like it? Is there an adjective that connotes 'lovely thing done in a way which appeals to epople who like that lovely thing'?

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

"effective"

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


"Distressingly popular"?

E: or "depressingly"

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

thespaceinvader posted:

Is there an adjective that connotes 'lovely thing done in a way which appeals to epople who like that lovely thing'?

Something Awful Dot Com, Motherfucker.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


CareyB, Prince John thanks for your help. I knew it would probably something i couldn't do anything about it was more me having a grumble. But you've helped me understand it a bit better.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

stev posted:

Mail Online is strangely popular with otherwise not-awful millennials. I don't know how it managed to become the default digital news source for people who don't use Twitter.

I see a lot of it on my Facebook feed, and its all 'watch this cute animal/kid/thing' that is ripped off from some other site like youtube.
So I guess a lot of clicks are from there.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Jedit posted:

We're already seeing signs of it: Boris managing to lose a vote already with an 80 majority,

Wasn't that explicitly a free vote, not whipped?

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Today is the perfect weather for me. About 18c with a light breeze. Cooling back down overnight. I want this all year round.

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

bessantj posted:

Maybe that's it. I'm on a zero hour contract and am 'employed' by the umbrella company (Payme) that pays me. Though I wasn't interviewed for the position I signed up with a company McGinleys and that company is owned by Payme. I was told to call Payme and set up an account as that's how I will be paid and then told I would be employed by Payme and my services given to McGinleys.


Wait what? What the gently caress is this, how is it legal that they take employers contributions from you. If your employed by Payme then surely they need to pay that?

What is this holiday money?

wtf

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jippa posted:

About 18c with a light breeze.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


elbkaida posted:

Wait what? What the gently caress is this, how is it legal that they take employers contributions from you. If your employed by Payme then surely they need to pay that?

What is this holiday money?

wtf

Holiday money is money they put aside for me so in the event I want a holiday and therefore don't work I can still be paid.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Jack Charlton died yesterday, the Republic's best ever manager and absolutely correct

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



bessantj posted:

Holiday money is money they put aside for me so in the event I want a holiday and therefore don't work I can still be paid.

Most places just call that annual leave and it doesn't factor into pay at all unless you want to buy more than the statutory entitlement.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


stev posted:

Most places just call that annual leave and it doesn't factor into pay at all unless you want to buy more than the statutory entitlement.

Probably all part of the wonder of a zero hour contract.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Jack Charlton died yesterday, the Republic's best ever manager and absolutely correct


It's bloody bananas Geoff, can't even have a smoke while you're stood in goal anymore.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Jack Charlton died yesterday, the Republic's best ever manager and absolutely correct



Absolute national hero, and friend to Arthur Scargill apparently. RIP governor - you're givin it a lash in Sto'vokor now

E: must try to find the pic of Big Jack holding 5yo me aloft. That was the moment I became a socialist

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jul 11, 2020

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Guavanaut posted:

Speaking of pinboard conspiracy stuff, what the hell is going on with #FreeBritney

A lot of people are finding out she's been under a guardianship for over a decade where her dad basically controls her life, she can't even legally drive or work without his say so, and apparently she's been quietly trying to get it revoked but she's worried about the custody situation with her kids changing

and this stuff 👀

https://mobile.twitter.com/kyliebjes/status/1279877842038411271

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511421/Jewish-blogger-wins-stage-legal-battle-against-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

One of the 'English irony' bloggers has won the first stage of a libel battle against Corbyn.

Apparently Corbyn saying that they were being disruptive is not an opinion, but a statement of fact about their behaviour.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

baka kaba posted:

A lot of people are finding out she's been under a guardianship for over a decade where her dad basically controls her life, she can't even legally drive or work without his say so, and apparently she's been quietly trying to get it revoked but she's worried about the custody situation with her kids changing

and this stuff 👀

https://mobile.twitter.com/kyliebjes/status/1279877842038411271
The legal conservatorship thing does seem very suspect, because it's supposed to be for people sufficiently impaired that they can't manage their own affairs, let alone work, and she's been working and her dad's been getting rich.

"Father of child star is manipulative and exploits them for money" isn't the most unlikely thing to have ever happened in history, and doing it with psychiatric abuse is, if true, really really lovely. Some of the other stuff seems wild but strange things do happen.

I've seen it floating around with another conspiracy theory that Wayfair is trafficking children via overpriced items, so I was a bit skeptical.

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bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
my lib journalist neighbor needs more data so

quote:

Please could I ask a big favour? I'm researching how office life has changed over the years, the effect of covid-19, and what the future might hold for office vs home working.

If you usually work in an office at least some of the time, please could you take five mins to fill in this survey? I'd really appreciate it.

https://forms.gle/n7R5Vt3hvohSAB599

And please share far and wide with anyone else who lives in Britain and works in an office.

Thanks so much!

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