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Dr Pepper posted:"Christianity is a Jewish plot to undermine western civilization" is quite the take. i mean...  If u consider Rome to be 'western civilization' at least e: lovely snipe so I'll elaborate. Nietzsche's whole beef with Christianity is that it upended codes of morality and especially of justice by glorifying weakness as strength—that it was, in essence, a deliberately self-contradictory system of ethics that would consume Rome from within by defeating the old system but preventing a cohesive new one from forming. under Christian ethics, says nietzsche, self-glorification and self-abasement are intertwined in ways that leave everyone who tries to exercise power while following them honestly a hollow posturing wreck of neuroticism, and allows shamelessness to become the governing virtue nietzsche was also a guy who passed out from excitement if the classical music got too intense and fuckin' loved some greek statue dick—100% ur-weird-twitter-guy. also when he decided after many years of friendship that Wagner was fash and bad, actually, he announced his new emnity by going over to Wagner's house, sitting down at his piano, and staring him dead in the eyes while reeling off the latest Handel, which is one of the best callouts of history imo so in summation nietzsche is a land of contrasts HookedOnChthonics has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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oh hell yeah nietzsche posting here we go
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Jul 12, 2020 05:45
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Its saturday night. You know what that means,
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go for it imo,
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sorry. sorry. im trying to remove it  another good nietzsche story is when his fash sister's fash husband went to try to to start an ethnostate in guyana and they all died and he laughed in her face about it
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HookedOnChthonics posted:sorry. sorry. im trying to remove it it was even dumber than that, they did it in the middle of nowhere in Paraguay, so like they couldn't even just have new recruits sail there, also the fash husband killed himself because of it lol not everyone died, but it went nowhere and the descendents speak the pure Aryan tongues of German and Guarani.
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HookedOnChthonics posted:sorry. sorry. im trying to remove it Grape posted:it was even dumber than that, they did it in the middle of nowhere in Paraguay, so like they couldn't even just have new recruits sail there,
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are there any other cool nietzsche stories? i know very little about him. i think i have a beginner's sense of slave morality but what is master morality? and did he like that? or was he trying to transcend the master-slave binary for something else?
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Arivia posted:yes, that is the same person in two different portraits five years apart? their hair has gone whiter, it's grown out, and it's not a photograph so there's differences, this is not very hard to accept The idea that Weishaupt replaced Washington popped up in Illuminatus! and I can only assume the original version is much older still.
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Always found it weird that Q and conspiracy people don’t really seem interested in the Freemasons like, they have literally founded countries and there have been actual wars fought against them. Is it just too “open” to be interesting?
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they dont care about actual shadow govts
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The idea that Weishaupt replaced Washington popped up in Illuminatus! and I can only assume the original version is much older still. This is the basis of that episode of the Simpsons about Jebediah Springfield isn't it
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Alan Smithee posted:what the gently caress someone read the illuminatus! trilogy and thought it was real
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Nietzsche's sister who was a Nazi took over his estate and finished his writings. His earlier writings were one of Emma Goldman's influences, and lead to the development of anarchism in the Americas, by a Jewish woman.
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Jul 12, 2020 12:56
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ANAL TRIBUTE
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Renaissance Spam posted:
where's the ring
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StashAugustine posted:I honestly think the GOP would have made a serious effort for American Muslims if it wasn't for 9/11 most Somali Americans voted straight ticket GOP until Bush. republicans, you know now who to blame for ilhan
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Calico Heart posted:Always found it weird that Q and conspiracy people don’t really seem interested in the Freemasons one could easily do a find and replace on "deep state" with "freemasonry" in q poo poo and it would not alter the meaning in any way, and there's probably an interesting dissertation to be written about the shift from "freemasons / jews / reptilians / communists secretly control to the government" to "it's just literally the government" in conspiracy thought freemasons falling out of favor is probably just a reflection of secret, fraternal, or private social groups in general falling out of favor in wider society. i know that groups like the shriners or the elks still operate, but they don't seem to have the kind of cultural awareness that they had in decades past. like, would someone young watching the Flintstones today understand the Water Buffalo as stand-ins for the Elks or the Moose or would someone watching the Stonecutters episode of the Simpsons even get that it's a Masonic reference?
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Q people are boomers and the right age to have probably all had dads who were all masons and shriners and see secret white dad clubs as the correct method of government.
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Relevant Tangent posted:someone read the illuminatus! trilogy and thought it was real Hey, we have Ancient Aliens because someone thought Lovecraft was real.
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twistedmentat posted:Hey, we have Ancient Aliens because someone thought Lovecraft was real. and we're all very happy for that. map01 HI IT'S THE CYBERDEMON
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https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1282348272984694784
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Azathoth posted:one could easily do a find and replace on "deep state" with "freemasonry" in q poo poo and it would not alter the meaning in any way, and there's probably an interesting dissertation to be written about the shift from "freemasons / jews / reptilians / communists secretly control to the government" to "it's just literally the government" in conspiracy thought If anything I bet they'd think the Freemasons were references to the Water Buffalo
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fred was member of a secret lodge, worked in a quarry, name flintstone -- an obvious ripoff of the stone cutters ironically the flintstones themselves got ripped off by some live-action sitcom called the newlyweds(?) trying to be edgelords joking about the fred character beating his wife
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:fred was member of a secret lodge, worked in a quarry, name flintstone -- an obvious ripoff of the stone cutters Well, the Flintstones was a ripoff of The Honeymooners, which was about a man who beat his wife.
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HookedOnChthonics posted:i mean... *takes huge rip off bong* What if....what if the new testament was just Roman propaganda to the Jews that got way out of control? Like after the Romans put down the Jewish revolt they wanted to let the Jews know that not only that the messiah they were waiting for wasnt coming, but he already had come and the Romans crucified him. Oh and on his way out, the messiah said to be meek and poo poo and render unto caesar. *lets out rest of smoke*
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If the Bible was written by God themself you wouldn't think they'd need an errata issue. What's next, Newer Testament?
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I didn’t know Niz was the R/atheist of his time
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HookedOnChthonics posted:nietzsche was also a guy who passed out from excitement if the classical music got too intense and fuckin' loved some greek statue dick—100% ur-weird-twitter-guy. also when he decided after many years of friendship that Wagner was fash and bad, actually, he announced his new emnity by going over to Wagner's house, sitting down at his piano, and staring him dead in the eyes while reeling off the latest Handel, which is one of the best callouts of history imo from what I've seen this Wagner guy was real bad news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Rv_HXmGeQ so watch out
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Ron Jeremy posted:*takes huge rip off bong* Jesus says “render unto Caesar” specifically in reference to being asked “what should be done about roman occupation?” I.e, Caesar can have his loving Rome and his dumb coin (which Jesus is holding when he says the line), but the Holy Land is for the Jews I dunno, a LOT of what Jesus says can really specifically be read as being about the Romans getting the gently caress out
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Renaissance Spam posted:If anything I bet they'd think the Freemasons were references to the Water Buffalo 
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Ron Jeremy posted:*takes huge rip off bong* this is a book called Caesar’s Messiah https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar%27s_Messiah
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there’s actually a theory that Pilates was an inside man, sent by the head of the Praetorian Guard to rile up the Jews so the Emperor would give him troops and the extra-judiciary power that would let him launch a coup. Sejanus died in like AD 32, so that would make the cruxificition October 18th, 31 ad. From Saint Eusebius “Sejanus, who was then in great favor with Tiberius, had made every effort to destroy the whole nation of the Jews from the foundation, and that in Pontius Pilate under whom the crimes were committed against our Savior, having attempted everything contrary to what was lawful among the Jews respecting the Temple at Jerusalem, which was then yet standing, excited them to the greatest tumults” PawParole has issued a correction as of 23:07 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:someone read the illuminatus! trilogy and thought it was real To be fair, every ten years the latest right wing conspiracy rediscovers the (summary of the) book and/or card game and goes "Look, they said everything they were going to do RIGHT HERE!"
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Anybody remember the Hellblazer issue where the ghosts of Vietnam War US soldiers do a zippo raid on a chud Midwest town
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Phi230 posted:Anybody remember the Hellblazer issue where the ghosts of Vietnam War US soldiers do a zippo raid on a chud Midwest town Yup! That was in the very first trade. Best part is they were part of a Prosperity Gospel cult (I think it was called the Redemption Crusade)? That basically said "Throw us money and pray really hard and eventually you'll get to the top of the list and we'll pray for you too and your prayer will be answered!" and the prayer was "bring our boys home" so yeah the ghosts of all the local boys who went to 'nam came back and the one guy who survived and is barely functioning joins up with them and they cut a swathe through the city, and John just basically stands there in horror.
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Neon Noodle posted:this is a book called Caesar’s Messiah the whole "jesus never existed" thing prefigures so much of the current new atheist to alt-right "facts and logic" bullshit like, they couldn't help but engage in all the same smug poo poo as young earth creationists to push the stupidest, most ahistorical point of view, and none of them ever realized the absolute irony of it Calico Heart posted:Jesus says “render unto Caesar” specifically in reference to being asked “what should be done about roman occupation?” my view is that there's a clear progression in the Gospels from being anti-Roman to pro-Roman, if one accepts that Mark was the first one written, followed by either Matthew or Luke, then with John last. it also neatly follows the transition from a very human Jesus in Mark to a very divine Jesus in John. the basic argument being that Jesus was one of a large number of messiah claimants floating around 1st century Roman Judea, and his actual message was definitely "gently caress the Romans" but as the fortunes of the local Jewish population waned, the authors of Matthew and Luke wanted to make it clear to the Romans that Christianity was a separate thing from Judaism, to avoid persecution. though obviously a matter of scholarly debate, placing the dating of Mark to either immediately before or immediately after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE is instructive. the First Jewish-Roman War had started in 66 CE and the author of Mark was pretty clear that the Romans played an integral part in the Crucifixion, while also emphasizing that Judaism and Christianity were not the same thing, even if the actual split was really only getting started. the Gospels of Matthew and Luke were written sometime later, and the authors had access to Mark, but definitely took a significantly less "gently caress the Romans" stance, which I think is reflective of their writing sometime after the end of the First Jewish-Roman war in 73 and basically acknowledges that the Romans are going to win the authors take great pains to emphasize a less physical and more spiritual Jesus, as well as a Jesus more out of step with local Jewish leadership, again in my opinion, because the authors were writing to reflect the increasing divergence of Judaism and Christianity, and to make it clear so that Christians didn't get caught up in the suppression of the Jewish rebellion. the Gospel of John completes this by being pretty explicitly pro-Roman and anti-Jewish in tone, again emphasizing "ffs we are not Jews, don't persecute us" in the run-up to the Second Jewish-Roman War
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:are there any other cool nietzsche stories? i know very little about him. Nietzsche was definitely on the master side, but the dichotomy is a lot more complicated than it sounds. Anyway, my favorite Nietzsche story is a letter he wrote to his friend Franz Overbeck after he had lost his mind: Nietzsche posted:To friend Overbeck and wife.  From Kate Beaton's Hark, A Vagrant. I, personally, think it says a certain something about his character that this was where his priorities lay in his madness and delusions of grandeur.
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