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Elfface posted:Why bother having names for colours? Just have the word colour, and then everything is night-colour, blood-colour, fire colour, plant-colour, sky-colour etc. Your first problem is how you conceptually define a colour. Many people think white and/or black aren't colours, for instance. Secondly, as someone else pointed out, nights can be black, purple, dark blue, etc. so your references would still be arbitrary. Third, even if you got past those two and for some reason people decided to adopt this particular scheme, after some time people would begin to erode your words and differentiate them more because they all sound so similar, so you might end up with stuff like nighto, bloodco, fico, skyco, planto, etc. eventually evolving into nyco, blucco, fyco, skyco, planno, bringing you right back to square one. 
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I think the creator of toki pona just happened to be a fan of Polynesian languages and based a lot of her creation on those because she thought they might be a fun deviation from the usual Germanic or Romance languages that most constructed languages are based on, and some of those do the blue/green thing, I guess? She also added a good helping of Finnish in there to throw people off a bit. ('kala' = fish or some aquatic creature, 'lipu' = flat thing like paper or flag or whatever, etc.) It's just a fun linguistic experiment which also happens to give some good insights into the way we communicate, it's okay to just enjoy a thing like it without having to immediately take it apart while complaining about it. 
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Kennel posted:Koshantti konyoneantti kowhontti kosn'tintti koantti kompletecontti koronmontti koverentti koedtrintti kotontti koatecrentti konantti komanhuntti konguagelantti? Is that finnish?
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Power Khan posted:Is that finnish? It's a Finnish version of Pig Latin.
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Schlinky posted:Gonna have to say, Citizen Joe is probably one of my favourite episodes of Stargate, in how it completely shits on the fans (played by Dan Castellaneta). I mean sure, it’s a bottle/recap episode of the series, but I love how it approaches the idea of some random watching the SG-1 team’s adventures (through space magic), and slowly spiralling out of control. I saw Season 8 and assumed it was the Teal'c apartment episode. I thought it was totally fine even if it is a clipshow episode (and the fact that it introduced those stupid stones that ruined SGU). anyway the only episodes worth skipping are the water one in season 4 and the tomb one with the russians, only because they're boring. The others on that list are bad in their own ways, but I still don't skip them.
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Elfface posted:Why bother having names for colours? Just have the word colour, and then everything is night-colour, blood-colour, fire colour, plant-colour, sky-colour etc. Isn't this already a thing? Salmon, lime, eggplant color, etc. Casual sexism aside, 
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Half of those are wrong.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:Your first problem is how you conceptually define a colour. Many people think white and/or black aren't colours, for instance. There’s ample evidence that people didn’t have a name for the color blue until modern times. The Odyssey describes the sea as a wine-dark red, and words describing blue in other languages just didn’t exist until recently: https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-didn-t-see-the-colour-blue-until-modern-times-evidence-science
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Color names that are just food names are cheating, gently caress outta here with eggplant. Come back when you've got an image with some burnt ochre in it, ok
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raverrn posted:Does Esperanto count? Gee I dunno, is "I want all the peoples of the world to be able to converse with each other so I'll just mash together some Romance languages with some other European poo poo and make a new, worse Italian or whatever!" the work of a non-moron?
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OSU_Matthew posted:There’s ample evidence that people didn’t have a name for the color blue until modern times. I thought it's specifically wine dark and even "red" wine can look much darker than red depending on the lighting
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Milo and POTUS posted:I thought it's specifically wine dark and even "red" wine can look much darker than red depending on the lighting Just wikipedia, but the "Ancient Greece and wine" article notes that wine came in a variety of colors, some of which could be ink-black, and they would commonly dilute their wine. This suggests to me that the properties of wine's coloration are as important for the ocean metaphor, where the depth and dilution and opacity all play into both wine and the sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece_and_wine posted:The most common style of wine in ancient Greece was sweet and aromatic, though drier wines were also produced. Color ranged from dark, inky black to tawny to nearly clear. Oxidation was difficult to control, a common wine fault that meant many wines did not retain their quality beyond the next vintage.
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Loud music in this stupid thing. https://i.imgur.com/nH79gYI.mp4
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e: nvm apparently this particular russian meme translation is a slur
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OSU_Matthew posted:The Odyssey describes the sea as a wine-dark red No, it doesn't. Homer uses οἶνοψ πόντος, which means "wine-faced" or "wine-eyed", and uses it to describe rough seas - it's almost certainly not the color but the swaying, unpredictable, dangerous movement of the ocean he's talking about. William Gladstone noticed that the only other time Homer uses οἶνοψ, it's in a description of oxen that happen to be red, and decided that meant Homer was calling the sea red. He was almost certainly wrong, but to this day that phrase gets translated as "wine-dark" because of his assumption. What is true is that Homer barely uses the Greek word for "blue", κυανός - it shows up only once, to describe Zeus's eyebrows of all things, and probably means "dark" in context.
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Lodin posted:Loud music in this stupid thing. Are you yiffing son?
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Android Apocalypse posted:Not all chowders have milk as their base. Manhattan clam chowder uses tomatoes and clam juice. Now if you want to argue the merits of Manhattan clam chowder (which isn't even from New York), that's something else. I think you mean, clam milk.
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:No, it doesn't. Homer uses οἶνοψ πόντος, which means "wine-faced" or "wine-eyed", and uses it to describe rough seas - it's almost certainly not the color but the swaying, unpredictable, dangerous movement of the ocean he's talking about. William Gladstone noticed that the only other time Homer uses οἶνοψ, it's in a description of oxen that happen to be red, and decided that meant Homer was calling the sea red. He was almost certainly wrong, but to this day that phrase gets translated as "wine-dark" because of his assumption. "Oh no, mother ocean's drunk again and not in a fun way."
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Kennel posted:Koshantti konyoneantti kowhontti kosn'tintti koantti kompletecontti koronmontti koverentti koedtrintti kotontti koatecrentti konantti komanhuntti konguagelantti? namaste
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Dungeon Ecology posted:namaste *namastessintti
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Melaneus posted:"Oh no, mother ocean's drunk again and not in a fun way." Poseidon's been hitting the οἶνοψ hard today
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Why did the Greeks not simply climb Olympus, an actual mountain that is right over there and isn't even that big, and punch Zeus in the face for his exhaustive history of sex crimes?
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Volcott posted:Why did the Greeks not simply climb Olympus, an actual mountain that is right over there and isn't even that big, and punch Zeus in the face for his exhaustive history of sex crimes? Because there's the real physical mountain, and there's the Heavenly Olympus where Gods live. It was just a generic name for a high mountain, people didn't think gods lived on a specific observable mountain.
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Volcott posted:Why did the Greeks not simply climb Olympus, an actual mountain that is right over there and isn't even that big, and punch Zeus in the face for his exhaustive history of sex crimes? it was like a metaphor dude
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Volcott posted:Why did the Greeks not simply climb Olympus, an actual mountain that is right over there and isn't even that big, and punch Zeus in the face for his exhaustive history of sex crimes? Humanity tried, and Zeus just ripped us all in half.
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Volcott posted:Why did the Greeks not simply climb Olympus, an actual mountain that is right over there and isn't even that big, and punch Zeus in the face for his exhaustive history of sex crimes? Because humanity didn’t really care about sex crimes until it could be distilled into a hash tag, and even then only when it’s politically expedient
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Byzantine posted:Humanity tried, and Zeus just ripped us all in half. And that, my friends, is why being gay is superior.
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euphronius posted:Do any of you people use SAP God, we switched to it at work 4 years ago and it's the least intuitive piece of software I have ever used in my life.
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