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Baddog
May 12, 2001

Ola posted:

This makes me feel really bad for Billy who is getting pimped out for pocket change at Ikea.

Haha holy poo poo.

Man, puts on wayfair are too expensive to gamble on this....

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Foma
Oct 1, 2004
Hello, My name is Lip Synch. Right now, I'm making a post that is anti-bush or something Micheal Moore would be proud of because I and the rest of my team lefty friends (koba1t included) need something to circle jerk to.
Is this the new pizza gate?

Jack Daniels
Nov 14, 2002

swing long some UAL and AAL :razzy:

https://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=341&t=UAL,AAL&ta=0

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Artonos
Dec 3, 2018
Did all these travel companies seriously pop because remdesivir is okay-ish at preventing death for the sickest covid patients? Or did I miss something else today. Like spending only 10 days in the hospital instead of 14 really doesn't seem like it should move the needle for travel opening up.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Foma posted:

Is this the new pizza gate?

maybe, who knows

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
I sense a business opportunity for selling actual throw pillows with child names for $20,000.

Pristine Billy Throw pillow set
Ethically sourced and all natural filling
$24,999

fougera
Apr 5, 2009

Artonos posted:

Did all these travel companies seriously pop because remdesivir is okay-ish at preventing death for the sickest covid patients? Or did I miss something else today. Like spending only 10 days in the hospital instead of 14 really doesn't seem like it should move the needle for travel opening up.

today was a big momentum unwind day. meaning many stocks that are beaten up went up and vice versa.

greasyhands
Oct 28, 2006

Best quality posts,
freshly delivered
yes, we were just unwinding momentum today

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

You could buy the 7/10 1500C for as low as .24 today. At 3:30 it was 48.12

Also if the cabinets are industrial grade, fine, but why are those throw pillows so expensive? I mean unless someone did a View Source in which case lol

AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Jul 11, 2020

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
I am pretty sure I have those cabinets in the office at work (not filled with kidnapped children) and we paid under a grand each, delivered. And they came flat-packed.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

FreelanceSocialist posted:

I am pretty sure I have those cabinets in the office at work (not filled with kidnapped children) and we paid under a grand each, delivered. And they came flat-packed.

You monster.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


How do you all approach valuation of a company? Do any of you follow a specific scheme or analysis formula when trying to determine what a company's market cap _should_ be?

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
Historically companies have been around 10-15 P/E depending on the sector. Multiple that expected value times the shares outstanding and you get the market cap.

McDonalds is trading at a P/E of 24 for the trailing 12 months. They should probably be trading at a lower price.

Lote fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jul 12, 2020

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
I know it's a bit of a meme joke but I'm increasingly beginning to suspect fundamentals don't matter as much anymore.

This probably won't end well, but hey, it's a heck of a ride.

thehacker0
Mar 19, 2014

Fundamentals (specifically earnings and revenue multiples) stopped mattering when the fed signaled no end to what measures they would take. Also a short term collapse in earnings/rev withe a relatively visible end date makes multiples of forward 1 year numbers matter even less.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

The Butcher posted:

I know it's a bit of a meme joke but I'm increasingly beginning to suspect fundamentals don't matter as much anymore.

This probably won't end well, but hey, it's a heck of a ride.

You'd expect that there is a linear relationship between the performance of Berkshire Hathaway and the relevance of fundamentals.

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Lote posted:

I sense a business opportunity for selling actual throw pillows with child names for $20,000.

Pristine Billy Throw pillow set
Ethically sourced and all natural filling
$24,999

Unironically this is not a bad idea with different prices. Sounds like drop shipping 101 if you could source it.

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Nasdaq up 50 points already premarket with 15 hours until cash open. Good news for my UPWK, ZNGA and NIO calls.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


intuit is up 15% YTD
h&r block is down 40%

they’re both tax prep software / personal finance companies.

why the huge divergence between the two? what’s going on at h&r block?

dougdrums
Feb 25, 2005
CLIENT REQUESTED ELECTRONIC FUNDING RECEIPT (FUNDS NOW)
intuit owns mint and quickbooks and poo poo. also everyone knows about turbotax but what on earth does hr block have.

Kal Torak
Jul 17, 2003

When Giles sends me on a mission, he says "please". And afterwards I get a cookie.
H&R Block is a tax prep service company.

Intuit is SAAS.

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
TSLA bubble is trying to outdo the bitcoin bubble.

DoubleT2172
Sep 24, 2007

I have a single share of TSLA and can't decide if I should sell or just ride it into valhalla

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
Sell after earnings. They’re posting a profit this quarter and will get listed in the S&P

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Still holding FSLY, GOOGL, NFLX august calls but moving my trailing stop loss up since I am over 100% now.

I had loving TSLA 2k last week sold it for pennies.

Rip Testes
Jan 29, 2004

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.
I remember having a couple of hundred shares of TSLA a few years I chuckled after it got stuck sideways for a bit. I sold for a gain at the time....

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Not gonna bother shorting this market unless I see momentum shift or vix get below 20 again. Gonna just stay long via options and rerolling.

Hit Man
Mar 6, 2008

I hope after I die people will say of me: "That guy sure owed me a lot of money."

Tech is unstoppable.

Tech. is. unstoppable.

Tech.

Jack Daniels
Nov 14, 2002

yeah jesus they owning my rear end here lmao :zoro:

Kal Torak
Jul 17, 2003

When Giles sends me on a mission, he says "please". And afterwards I get a cookie.

Rip Testes posted:

I remember having a couple of hundred shares of TSLA a few years I chuckled after it got stuck sideways for a bit. I sold for a gain at the time....

I sold 200 shares of AAPL at $90...I'm sure we all have stories like this.

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
I owned something like 1,000 shares of NVDA at about $9/share.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Well, my SPY puts didn't pan out. I have to pull a bunch of cash out of my gambling account to pay for some responsible adult things so I think I'm going to be on the daytrading sidelines for a week or two.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



Jack Daniels posted:

yeah jesus they owning my rear end here lmao :zoro:

https://twitter.com/evdefender/status/1282669642549465088?s=20

Garfu
Mar 6, 2008

Much like buttholes, families are meant to be tight.


I have 2. Was planning on holding through earnings... This is gonna be tough

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


FreelanceSocialist posted:

Well, my SPY puts didn't pan out. I have to pull a bunch of cash out of my gambling account to pay for some responsible adult things so I think I'm going to be on the daytrading sidelines for a week or two.

Don't buy puts versus this type of momentum. Especially SPY puts, it's easier to short the market through vol given the % moves you can get even if spy isn't down like today. VIX up 3% on almost 0 pullback.

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

The smart money during a bubble isn't to FOMO and buy into it, it's to sell lottery tickets to the hapless losers who think that TSLA will crater.

I've been writing put credit spreads for poo poo like $800 7/17 calls that idiots who think that the company will lose more than half of its value in 4 days during the strongest bull run of its history. Unless it comes out that Tesla cars give their owners anal cancer, it's like selling a scratch-it lottery ticket to a gambling addicted fiend. Some people just have an extra $50 in their buying power and throw out a random 1 contract put on a meme stock and it just expires. It's awesome to see my account just getting filled with money every day more and more, as long as you stick to meme stocks and FOMO-heavy equities, you basically can't lose because you're stealing money from ape men who want to play the fringes.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


AHH F/UGH posted:

The smart money during a bubble isn't to FOMO and buy into it, it's to sell lottery tickets to the hapless losers who think that TSLA will crater.

I've been writing put credit spreads for poo poo like $800 7/17 calls that idiots who think that the company will lose more than half of its value in 4 days during the strongest bull run of its history. Unless it comes out that Tesla cars give their owners anal cancer, it's like selling a scratch-it lottery ticket to a gambling addicted fiend. Some people just have an extra $50 in their buying power and throw out a random 1 contract put on a meme stock and it just expires. It's awesome to see my account just getting filled with money every day more and more, as long as you stick to meme stocks and FOMO-heavy equities, you basically can't lose because you're stealing money from ape men who want to play the fringes.
Why sell spreads and not just straight DOTM puts?

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


AHH F/UGH posted:

The smart money during a bubble isn't to FOMO and buy into it, it's to sell lottery tickets to the hapless losers who think that TSLA will crater.

I've been writing put credit spreads for poo poo like $800 7/17 calls that idiots who think that the company will lose more than half of its value in 4 days during the strongest bull run of its history. Unless it comes out that Tesla cars give their owners anal cancer, it's like selling a scratch-it lottery ticket to a gambling addicted fiend. Some people just have an extra $50 in their buying power and throw out a random 1 contract put on a meme stock and it just expires. It's awesome to see my account just getting filled with money every day more and more, as long as you stick to meme stocks and FOMO-heavy equities, you basically can't lose because you're stealing money from ape men who want to play the fringes.

you know what, that's a great plan.

I'm looking at puts right now and there is HUGE volume on TSLA 1000p 7/17. But the problem is that in my fun money allocation I can't write CSP's on those because TSLA itself is bonkers valuation. I'd need margin. :(

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Josh Lyman posted:

Why sell spreads and not just straight DOTM puts?

Protection from freak of nature events (i.e. it's discovered that Teslas give you cancer), and the collateral you need for straight puts is way higher than a spread where you just need enough to cover the difference in price for 100 shares of two very close strikes, minus the premium you collected

I'll take risking $200 to make $40 if the probability of winning is 95% any day of the week, but with meme stocks it really is more like 99.9% chance of winning.

pmchem posted:

you know what, that's a great plan.

I'm looking at puts right now and there is HUGE volume on TSLA 1000p 7/17. But the problem is that in my fun money allocation I can't write CSP's on those because TSLA itself is bonkers valuation. I'd need margin. :(

I wrote most of my put credit spreads for $NIO and $AMD which have a lot lower stock prices so the collateral is a lot more reasonable, I only have 2 put credit spreads for TSLA because I can't afford any more than that.

AHH F/UGH fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 13, 2020

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Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

The problem with Tesla is everyone is trying to short it. To do that, they have to buy shares and lend them out. So even by shorting it they are causing the price to increase. I think the only way the stock goes down is when people stop talking about it, that's when shorts will be vindicated.

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