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Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

TCE posted:

Lansky also knew another liquor baron, Sam Bronfman, whose children are supposedly linked with Les Wexner

Oh yes, the bronfman clan, definitely no sexual deviants in a cult there, no siree.

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TCE
Feb 26, 2016

Delta-Wye posted:

Oh yes, the bronfman clan, definitely no sexual deviants in a cult there, no siree.

There probably is. All the characters in her piece, from Bronfman, to Lansky, to Hoover, to Roy Cohn, to Wexner, all maniacs and devils. Any given detail in her story is very likely generally accurate. But there's still too many missing details to trust anyone who acts like they know the full story.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Top City Homo posted:

buttgieige married his handler

His name is his mission

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

TCE posted:

There probably is.

The thread is probably overdue for another sidetrip down nxivm lane.



I've slowly become aware, as I got older, that real evil walks this earth. And I'm telling you man, evil fucks.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
She a victim of that celebrity rape cult that tried to recruit Emma Watson? The one that got busted in like the last two years I wanna say.

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


Tubgoat posted:

She a victim of that celebrity rape cult that tried to recruit Emma Watson? The one that got busted in like the last two years I wanna say.

Oh gawd I was reading about this a couple months ago. gently caress is it intensely horrifying.

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


Elderbean posted:

well, what does being a truther mean? Like, the government knew and let it happen kind or "they secretly planted explosives in two of the most occupied buildings in the world" kind?

There are a lot of different types but the full package is:
- The hijackers didn't fly the planes; they were swapped out in-flight with government drones and the passengers killed
- All the Neocons knew about it or actively planned it using old Iran-Contra communication networks and they were all absent on purpose
- The Pentagon plane was some sort of smaller drone and the footage from the security cameras released had doctored frames
- WTC complex had a poo poo load of Asbestos and Larry Silverstein the owner was tipped off so he could collect insurance in exchange for letting Mossad demolition experts plant some thermite under the guise of construction and alongside a total security power down
- Calls from the plane were faked
- United 93 was shot down

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Tubgoat posted:

She a victim of that celebrity rape cult that tried to recruit Emma Watson? The one that got busted in like the last two years I wanna say.

wasn't it lead by Smallville actress Allison Mack

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


gradenko_2000 posted:

wasn't it lead by Smallville actress Allison Mack

She wasn't the leader she was merely a high-level victim/enabler/collaborator. The actual guy in charge is/was a pretty cookie cutter cult leader.

Tony Ortega did a bunch of stuff on them it's where I got most of my info:

https://tonyortega.org/nxivm/

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

Delta-Wye posted:

What does this mean? A quick google only returned this article and it seems pretty legit.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/newly-released-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/258581/


I'm not really willing to do a lot of digging to substantiate your four word post.

I'm sorry but I but the dancing Israelis as much as I buy the dancing Muslims the other side says they saw. This thread throws everything at the wall and it's often entertaining and in ways, enlightening but then there's things that I'm aware if they were posted in say, the Freep thread, everyone would be pointing and laughing at the racist idiots.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Hey I called that poo poo out pages ago.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

jojoinnit posted:

I'm sorry but I but the dancing Israelis as much as I buy the dancing Muslims the other side says they saw. This thread throws everything at the wall and it's often entertaining and in ways, enlightening but then there's things that I'm aware if they were posted in say, the Freep thread, everyone would be pointing and laughing at the racist idiots.

quote:

Shortly after 8:46 a.m. on the day of the attacks, just minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five men — later revealed to be Israeli nationals — had positioned themselves in the parking lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they were seen taking pictures and filming the attacks while also celebrating the destruction of the towers and “high fiving” each other. At least one eyewitness interviewed by the FBI had seen the Israelis’ van in the parking lot as early as 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack. The story received coverage in U.S. mainstream media at the time but has since been largely forgotten.
If that is to be believed, they were pre-positioned to view the attack.

quote:

According to a former high-ranking American intelligence official who spoke to the Jewish Daily Forward in 2002, the FBI concluded in its investigation that the five Israelis arrested “were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, NJ, served as a front.” At least two of the men arrested were determined to have direct links to the Mossad after their names appeared in a CIA-FBI database of foreign intelligence operatives. According to one of their lawyers, one of the men, Paul Kurzberg, had previously worked for the Mossad in another country prior to arriving in the United States.
They have specific identities, and documentation that ties them to a foreign intelligence service.

I haven't dug to verify the veracity of the claims (although I remember distinctly when these guys were originally arrested), but the claims taken at face value seem pretty compelling. Are you suggesting the author is making these facts up, or is there later info in the article you have an issue with?

EDIT: I would really like to know more about what the issue is and what you are claiming; did they not exist at all? Were they not intelligence? Is the story being manufactured by mintpress?

Delta-Wye has issued a correction as of 09:08 on Jul 13, 2020

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
Watching Grace Park gaze admiringly at NXIVM founder Keith Raniere while he explains the blandest pop-psychology philosophy motivation bullshit is depressing as hell.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

i too take conspiracy theories at face value

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
The longer poo poo falls apart around me the more I begin to believe it.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

gradenko_2000 posted:

wasn't it lead by Smallville actress Allison Mack

She was so in love with the founder, Keith Raniere that she got branded and tried to recruit more women for him. For example, she recruited Nicki Clyne (Cally in Battlestar Galactica) who left the show abruptly to be a NXIVM member full time. Because Clyne was only in the US because of her role, she ended up in a sham marriage with Alison Mack in order to avoid being sent back to Canada.

Just wild poo poo.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Motherfucker was carving into broads with a cauterising pen.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Google Butt posted:

i too take conspiracy theories at face value

I try not to, but when they are claims of fact that can be verified, it helps especially when I'm trying to judge a journalist's accuracy. I'm curious about the claims regarding Whitney Webb being a 9/11 truther, and the only article I found with a quick google is not prima facia ridiculous. I read through the released gov docs and it all looks super suss and I wouldn't group her into the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" crowd based on it alone. Her stuff on Epstein is much harder to verify directly and gives a novel spin to the story, which is why I'm so curious about what the basis for the truther claim is.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
Whitney Webb is a COVID truther.... that is far more important to evaluating her good or harm I would think

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
As in, she is spreading the claim to her audience as widely as possible that COVID is mostly hype. Well into the outbreak she's been saying in her podcosts that the COVID narrative was manufactured from something minor as a way for the state to weaponize lockdowns. No clue how facial recognition surveilence gets helped by masks, or how the state gets helped by lockdowns that destroy its economic hegemony, but whatever.

Also I just linked this thread to someone saying that it's a good source of info before seeing whatever the gently caress that image is (???) at the top of this page, the exact page I linked them. Gross

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

Delta-Wye posted:

If that is to be believed, they were pre-positioned to view the attack.
They have specific identities, and documentation that ties them to a foreign intelligence service.

I haven't dug to verify the veracity of the claims (although I remember distinctly when these guys were originally arrested), but the claims taken at face value seem pretty compelling. Are you suggesting the author is making these facts up, or is there later info in the article you have an issue with?

EDIT: I would really like to know more about what the issue is and what you are claiming; did they not exist at all? Were they not intelligence? Is the story being manufactured by mintpress?

I mean, the article certainly exists and I have no doubt the people exist. It's typical reporting but in no way does it prove that "the Mossad did 9/11". At my most conspiratorial I can believe that the US gov knew about the attacks and Israel wanted to view it knowing that the foreign policy fallout would be good for them but unless you already have things that need easily confirming it's not evidence of what people on Stormfront love to use this article as. Honestly, everything around that time was crazy and so much reporting from that time is pulling on any string available because everything will sell and anything must be possible.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



crepeface posted:

She was so in love with the founder, Keith Raniere that she got branded and tried to recruit more women for him. For example, she recruited Nicki Clyne (Cally in Battlestar Galactica) who left the show abruptly to be a NXIVM member full time. Because Clyne was only in the US because of her role, she ended up in a sham marriage with Alison Mack in order to avoid being sent back to Canada.

Just wild poo poo.

Holy poo poo, this chick is still in the wild like nothing ever happened! An inner circle member never convicted and now literally back to doing comic-con type poo poo

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Anyone nattering about 9/11 truth in ths thread is doing the cabals work for them.

Entorwellian
Jun 30, 2006

Northern Flicker
Anna's Hummingbird

Sorry, but the people have spoken.



BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Holy poo poo, this chick is still in the wild like nothing ever happened! An inner circle member never convicted and now literally back to doing comic-con type poo poo

She was supposed to be sentenced but then covid happened...

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Dumb Lowtax posted:

how the state gets helped by lockdowns that destroy its economic hegemony, but whatever.

The state is only an extension of the ruling class. While millions of Americans got laid off - thereby increasing the reserve army of labor and so too lowering their bargaining power - the stock market has been doing just fine. Billionaires saw their personal accounts (to say nothing of trusts, stocks, and bonds) grow by half a trillion collectively over the first few months of lockdown. $6 Trillion* of public wealth was just transferred into the hands of the ruling class. And this fall there's a fire sale on property and rental properties! Nearly 30 million Americans facing eviction come September, which will be great for snatching up property/land that the pesky proles have managed to hold onto, raise the rent on those occupied rent controlled units, and, again, further immiserate and make desperate the working class in hopes of putting everyone on subsistence level wages.

*Just for fun, because I really can't help doing this because it's such a kick - if you made a million dollars a DAY it would take you 16,438 YEARS to accumulate 6 trillion dollars.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The state is only an extension of the ruling class. While millions of Americans got laid off - thereby increasing the reserve army of labor and so too lowering their bargaining power - the stock market has been doing just fine. Billionaires saw their personal accounts (to say nothing of trusts, stocks, and bonds) grow by half a trillion collectively over the first few months of lockdown. $6 Trillion* of public wealth was just transferred into the hands of the ruling class. And this fall there's a fire sale on property and rental properties! Nearly 30 million Americans facing eviction come September, which will be great for snatching up property/land that the pesky proles have managed to hold onto, raise the rent on those occupied rent controlled units, and, again, further immiserate and make desperate the working class in hopes of putting everyone on subsistence level wages.

*Just for fun, because I really can't help doing this because it's such a kick - if you made a million dollars a DAY it would take you 16,438 YEARS to accumulate 6 trillion dollars.
people losing their jobs reduces payroll which can be made up with government bailouts. number goes up

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Yeah and those PPP loans went for the most part to businesses owned by millionaires and billionaires (they also gave tax-free entities millions). They gave actual small businesses loans as small as a $1 just for a laugh.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
Okay, but COVID hype is not part of some extremely short-sighted ruling class plan to run off with all the US's wealth at the expense of cratering the USD and destroying the billionaires' entire support system (a functioning society). COVID is loving COVID, a natural deadly pandemic that is unmitigated. The lack of mitigation is the real conspiracy here, and it takes a hell of a lot of bias for a smart person like Whitney Webb to miss that scoop in favor of a much smaller headline of "some failed state empire benefits on paper, but not in production capacity, from COVID due to a hypothetical chance to expand the surveillance state".

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
If the lack of mitigation is the real conspiracy here then everything you had said before that and after "not" would also have to be necessarily true, else the lack of mitigation wouldn't be a conspiracy at all (it would be simple ineptitude which I, like you, don't believe). I'm not familiar with Webb's writing on the topic but I wouldn't agree that there's a conspiracy to expand the surveillance state, no.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

I was under the impression that a lot of elites operate on the wholly ethical and considerate principle of “never letting a good tragedy go to waste”

e: I dunno how much of it is true but there was a pretty recent ALAB podcast about NYU law professor Richard Epstein’s (no relation) writings on COVID for the Hoover Institution when it was just starting up, suggesting deaths will max out at 500 (later edited to 5000, 10000 etc). even though he got owned and proven wrong over and over again he stood by his assertions and the hosts made it sound like this is an actual piece of writing that the government looked too even though Epstein has no medical qualifications.

nut has issued a correction as of 13:04 on Jul 13, 2020

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
It's more that the government is using the opportunity presented by COVID to do things that they normally wouldn't be able to, either because they can make a convincing pitch that now is a good time, or because people are too unable to protest it.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

http://www.barnesville.com/archives/12636-Human-trafficking,-narcotics-ring-bust-nets-local-man.html

that link posted:

A 26-year-old Barnesville man was arrested after the Coweta County Sheriff's Office and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) took down a human trafficking organization based in the Newnan area.



lmfao oh god

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

Lol

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

u gotta be loving kidding me

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012




the src thing is a dumb trick people fall for every now and then.
very cool that russia's just got a child porn site tho. seems normal

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



come on, man!

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Lol its gonna be hilarious when trueanons rep gets ruined coz they slept on wayfairs obvious child trafficking via wardrobe scheme

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy
i still think that was a drug shipping scheme.

gregday
May 23, 2003


that's a solid crack to start the brain off on monday morning

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gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

oh my

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