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GI_Clutch posted:Old college friend. She was going to school for pharmacy, bombed the test for the upper levels, switched majors, ended up working in county government for a few years, went hardcore libertarian, and quit her job to sell dresses on Etsy and do pinup photos. Figured this was as good a time as any to finally unfriend her. She also flipped her poo poo about Yellow Springs mandating masks the other week. Not sure why she moved there of all places. It's hilarious, all these elaborate scenarios they concoct for this sort of thing. I mean, if I were a shadowy government entity and I wanted to say that your friend there tested positive for the Covid, I'd just print out a loving sheet saying she had it. I wouldn't be bothering with sending people to put on some song and dance show about testing, I'd just say I loving did it already and forge the necessary documents with my army of shadow doctors who are totally in on the conspiracy.
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I believe the theory is theyre pressing more and more invasive means of testing and mandating more until they can instate martial law and no one will stop them. Foot in the door type stuff.
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It's all trash but the fact that chiropractors and naturopathic health centers are included in things that make people healthy made me laugh.
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Possibly the most common refrain I see is this idea that every single death was being attributed to covid regardless of circumstance....is there anything actually reasonable that led to that? Or is it just boomers being boomers?
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Jul 13, 2020 03:42
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jivjov posted:Possibly the most common refrain I see is this idea that every single death was being attributed to covid regardless of circumstance....is there anything actually reasonable that led to that? Or is it just boomers being boomers? Apparently unless 100% of totally healthy adults aren't dying from Covid then it's a hoax. Like there's no threshold or circumstance otherwise that seems to convince them otherwise.
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Jul 13, 2020 03:50
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jivjov posted:Possibly the most common refrain I see is this idea that every single death was being attributed to covid regardless of circumstance....is there anything actually reasonable that led to that? Or is it just boomers being boomers? I mean, it's because many deaths are being attributed to Covid but not confirmed, because we failed utterly at setting up sufficient testing infrastructure to accommodate the unending massive surge of cases our stupid rear end country would accumulate. So many deaths are being considered as being due to the coronavirus, but we aren't testing corpses because we can't even test enough living people in any sort of reasonable timeframe. Most reasonable analysts are looking at the average amount of deaths a given area might have in every year for the past few years, then compare it to the current death rate, then extrapolate the actual number of current deaths due to coronavirus. Boomer dipshits are saying "well you can't be sure that the tripling of deaths this year alone in this area as compared to every year past for the last fifteen years is due to the pandemic!"
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Jul 13, 2020 04:07
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DapperDinosaur posted:Just saw this on Facebook: The riots part rocks. "The government is forbidding you from doing anything but also permitting actively calling them out."
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And they’re just “asking questions” when the the son of a friend that works in a hospital says they aren’t accurate because someone died of a bad car accident and just because they tested positive for COVID it’s considered in statistics. Hey shitbrick, when grandma died due to not having enough ventilators it still means it’s a COVID death caused by COVID!
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jivjov posted:Possibly the most common refrain I see is this idea that every single death was being attributed to covid regardless of circumstance....is there anything actually reasonable that led to that? Or is it just boomers being boomers? This was popular in like March and April on when the thrust of the argument was that Covid was no more dangerous than the common cold or w/e. The fatalities were being exaggerated to suit the nefarious purposes of the deep state, and all that. Its impossible to justify this stance now with the tidal wave of deaths occurring; it's a legacy meme at this point that hangs on because they have zero critical self examination when they say this poo poo.
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litany of gulps posted:I mean, it's because many deaths are being attributed to Covid but not confirmed, because we failed utterly at setting up sufficient testing infrastructure to accommodate the unending massive surge of cases our stupid rear end country would accumulate. So many deaths are being considered as being due to the coronavirus, but we aren't testing corpses because we can't even test enough living people in any sort of reasonable timeframe. I would guess it's also the fact that everyone has been on a steady drip of pop-science bullshit which has caused them to have completely ridiculous expectations. The cops on CSI: Fuckville always manage to exactly pinpoint the cause of death within the 1 hour episode, so clearly the government should be able to provably with 100% certainty determine the cause of death of every American, even during a pandemic it was completely unprepared for. These people have stopped living in reality a long loving time ago.
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jivjov posted:Possibly the most common refrain I see is this idea that every single death was being attributed to covid regardless of circumstance....is there anything actually reasonable that led to that? Or is it just boomers being boomers? There's usually more than one reason a person dies. You could be a 50 year old diabetic with high blood pressure that would've been fine for another 20 years, despite your health issues. But COVID came along and knocked you out before your time. Had you not had diabetes and high blood pressure, you probably would have survived COVID, the COVID was the final straw.
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blackmet posted:There's usually more than one reason a person dies. The best analogy I've found to convince people of this is to bring up HIV/AIDS. It's not a disease that kills you directly, but makes you vulnerable to otherwise harmless diseases that will kill you. Even if the patient dies to a seemingly unrelated disease, it's still very much important to attribute some of the blame on HIV/AIDS if they have that condition.
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Medullah posted:The crazy thing about all this is that if people continue to be dumbasses about masks, social distancing and contact tracing we very well MIGHT get to the point where there are mandated lockdowns and forced vaccination. Yep, and they're just gonna bitch and moan even louder while still actively harming the population. We really hosed up by placing so much emphasis on "freedom."
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e : freedom to die! *starts dying* no i didnt mean me, i meant other """people """ gently caress this covid poo poo. *dies blaming everything else/one but me reaping what i sowed* Orange Devil posted:I would guess it's also the fact that everyone has been on a steady drip of pop-science bullshit which has caused them to have completely ridiculous expectations. The cops on CSI: Fuckville always manage to exactly pinpoint the cause of death within the 1 hour episode, so clearly the government should be able to provably with 100% certainty determine the cause of death of every American, even during a pandemic it was completely unprepared for. maybe the printing press and mass pop media was a mistake. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 13, 2020 |
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These people are unbearable now. Think how insufferable they'll be when research papers start appearing showing a 10yr reduction in lifespans for those that "recovered" from coronavirus and/or those who skipped the vaccine. Of course they're likely to die of an aneurysm first requesting their "non socialist government" pay the exorbitant medical bills incurred from kidney/lung/heart/brain damage.PhazonLink posted:maybe the printing press and mass pop media was a mistake.
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jivjov posted:Possibly the most common refrain I see is this idea that every single death was being attributed to covid regardless of circumstance....is there anything actually reasonable that led to that? Or is it just boomers being boomers? No it's just second order Facebook friends. You see a FB friend post some nonsense and decide to say it's the friend of a friend. The same way urban legends are passed around. By and large. The only other circumstances are that COVID-19 was present in the system and may have facilitated the death and that gets turned into "he had a bullet in his head and heart but was also positive for covid so put covid death".
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Its basically grasping at any excuse to claim the numbers simply cannot be that high. Now that "its no worse than the flu" isnt working.
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The best way of looking at it is through excess deaths. Not Covid deaths, but deaths above the average mortality level of the last few years. You can then say that, okay, maybe they're not all Covid deaths, but something is killing hundreds of thousands of people this year, so if it's not Covid then that's even more concerning. Then they tell you that it's 5G or black on black crime or that the FT is a Marxist paper. 
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Got this one today from my GF's brother. Major systemic problems in society can apparently be solved by a few dozen people on a Saturday afternoon.
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Capn Jobe posted:Got this one today from my GF's brother. Major systemic problems in society can apparently be solved by a few dozen people on a Saturday afternoon. "Good idea, GF's brother! We should all do more activism for the black community. That's why I'm supporting the divestment movement so black neighborhoods can get better schools, parks, sidewalks, etc. So glad you're with me!"
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Pththya-lyi posted:"Good idea, GF's brother! We should all do more activism for the black community. That's why I'm supporting the divestment movement so black neighborhoods can get better schools, parks, sidewalks, etc. So glad you're with me!" We all know they mean kill black people when they say "clean up"
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Dr Pepper posted:We all know they mean kill black people when they say "clean up" That's 
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Ah yes, the good ol' "What about black-on-black crime?!" tactic. Instantly discarded the moment anyone actually starts to provide any sort of answer to the question.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Ah yes, the good ol' "What about black-on-black crime?!" tactic. Instantly discarded the moment anyone actually starts to provide any sort of answer to the question. What are some resources to address that stupid arguement? I see it come up a lot.
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Panfilo posted:What are some resources to address that stupid arguement? I see it come up a lot. 99% of the time it's said in bad faith. It's just a deflection tactic to either browbeat BLM supporters into sputtering and not having an instant answer (thus making the anti-BLM person the victor in their mind), or just to outright portray black people as violent thugs that NEED violent policing. They aren't asking it in search of an actual answer, which is why if you start providing any sort of potential solution, or even basic information, they'll immediately change subject. It's a whataboutism, and a sign that you shouldn't even be arguing with this person in the first place. If, by some miracle, you're talking to the 1% of people who actually do care about inner city violence as something other than a "ha ha, gotcha libs!" rhetorical trap, there are plenty of resources out there that show the detrimental effects of social and economic programs that have purposefully negatively impacted historically black neighborhoods, and solutions on how to fix it. They aren't hard to find, it's just a matter of getting people who genuinely have good intentions to listen to you. And, uh, depending on where you live and what your situation is, good luck with that.
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I usually just play dumb, and speak as if they are really passionate about inner city violence. "I'm so glad that you're passionate about this important issue, especially since you don't even live in Chicago. I know there's a lot of groups full of passionate people working to reduce violence, are you working with them, donating money? What kind of legislation are you exited about that will help people in those communities?" And then when they start waffling, I act confused "Hmm... just a minute ago you seemed to feel like inner city violence was really important, but now it sounds like you don't actually care. What's going on?"
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Panfilo posted:What are some resources to address that stupid arguement? I see it come up a lot. I've found the most effective retort to be "We're not paying drug gangs property taxes, are we?" If they concede the point they might be convinced of things if they immediately shift to 'Those people dont pay taxes anyway' just give up
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Panfilo posted:What are some resources to address that stupid arguement? I see it come up a lot. There's this Twitter thread explicitly for combating "black on black crime" arguments. https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1268463768285188096 You can also point out the ways that argument is racist, in that it's criticizing an entire population of 47 million people for about 5000 murders per year. I thought conservatives were opposed to punishing some people for other people's crimes? Or does that only apply to gun control?
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darthbob88 posted:There's this Twitter thread explicitly for combating "black on black crime" arguments.
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It doesn't help that the President responded to "What do you say about black people being killed by the police?" yesterday with "That's a disgusting question. White people are being killed too!"
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I'm not any sociologist, but here's how I've always seen it, for whatever it's worth: "Black on black crime" is just regular crime that is going to occur in any community. A black criminal is going to be committing crimes against other black people because more often than not they live in close proximity to one another. Nothing beyond that. Race has nothing to do with it unless it's also pointed out that authorities are more aggressive in certain areas with who they're going after and what they're charging people with (example: predominantly white police departments working in non-white communities, often motivated by racism). Crime occurs at different rates and in different forms depending on socio-economics, but the "What about black on black crime!?" crowd is either trying to paint black people as inherently criminal and/or they're very disingenuously trying to downplay or hand-wave away altogether the much more complex issue that BLM is acting against - systemic racism in the justice department that disproportionately destroys the lives of black people. It's the same as the "All lives matter!" bullshit. They're just stripping all context out of the conversation because the real issue makes them uncomfortable.
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Just point out they’re trying really hard to show how not racist they are.
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I mean, the fact that segregation is so normal that "obviously black people live together and white people live together" is A Thing.
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Orange Devil posted:I mean, the fact that segregation is so normal that "obviously black people live together and white people live together" is A Thing. This is true. I struggled a bit with how to incorporate it within my post so I left it out to avoid a word salad.
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What about when they try to spin it into "When I say black on black crime, I mean the gangs" ?
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the_steve posted:What about when they try to spin it into "When I say black on black crime, I mean the gangs" ?
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Panfilo posted:What are some resources to address that stupid arguement? I see it come up a lot. Aside from all of the stuff mentioned, almost all homicide in the US is intraracial. If you’re a white murder victim, it’s almost a guarantee that your murderer was white.
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darthbob88 posted:Then you've still got the fact that they're using gang violence to justify increased police scrutiny and hostility towards all black people, even those not in gangs. Also, why does "black on black gang crime" justify increased policing of black people, but folks like the Aryan Nation don't justify increased policing of white people? you've already lost with this approach. they may not be able to articulate it, but they know there's a huge difference between their safe (white) community and Crime (black) Communities ie Murder Capital Chicago I like to use the "But mah taxes pay for it  " approach because they are already predisposed to be sympathetic to it.
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