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thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Mega Comrade posted:

The guardian does do good investigational journalism some times. It's problem is it fills the rafters with absolute guff at all other times.

I'd probably consider paying for it if I wasn't also paying for think pieces about the price of haluumi and the terrible cut backs upper middle class people have to make just to get by.

I'd consider paying for it even with those if it wasn't for all the liberalism and terfery.

I can live with out of touch upper middle class journalists being dumb about cheese.

I can't live with upper middle class journalists doing stealth fascism.

E: 278 years ago was the wonderfully named War of Jenkins Ear, which Britain fought against Spain apparently.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 14:48

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# ? May 28, 2024 12:41

Mega Comrade: Apr 22, 2004; Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Double post. Dumb app

Edit

I will add though, in search of a non poo poo news source (and failing) , I've ended up consuming a lot less news overall and have felt considerably happier thanks to it.

24 hour news was a mistake. And I might end up settling for some Sunday paper and cutting all other forms out.

Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jul 16, 2020

# ? Jul 16, 2020 14:49

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1283696649794195456

She's coming home.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:02

Qwertycoatl: Dec 31, 2008

It's a shame the Guardian isn't cutting the terrible columnists and keeping the reporters

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:07

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Qwertycoatl posted:

It's a shame the Guardian isn't cutting the terrible columnists and keeping the reporters

what reporters?

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:08

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The behaviour of the right wing in both the UK and the US in the last few years has been like they know the gig is up. They know the system they created is unsustainable, they know it's all about to get shut down or collapse, so they've switched to fire-sale mode and are all trying to see how much they can get away with and how much they can steal before either environmental disaster or civil protest takes it all away from them.

Honestly I think this phase has strung out much longer than any of them expected and now we're stuck in this weird hell of the political right seeing how far they can get away with pushing things before society breaks.

I don't think this is malevolence or incompetence, I think this is the 'movement behind the curtain' Matt Crispman of Chapo keeps talking about. We'll never really get to see what's going on back there or understand the nature of the best, but occasionally we do see shapes moving against the surface, every so often a brief glimpse as some disturbance lifts the hem of the curtain ever so slightly. The epstein trials, or the labour leaks, or Greensill.

In a weird way though it's a good thing that we're seeing things like this, because it shows that the government is losing control over both the events and the messaging right now. In most cases it unfortunately means next to nothing because the concept of political accountability died with David Cameron.

In web monetisation there is the concept of black hat & white hat (probably in a lot of other areas too, but that's where I heard it). As an example, a white hat site takes the time to build a good UI, good community, ethical ad policy and content that results in a site which is pleasant to use, and people will wsnt to spend time on and come back to.

Black hat sites will use clickbait to sucker people into clicking on a page of shambolic, ad and malware infested copy/paste from another site with popunders leading to other clickbait sites, and every dirty trick in the book.

Note that I said white hat site (singular) and black hat pages (plural), because the thing about black hat sites is that they are not built to be revisited. It doesn't matter if you block the domain because the url was never made to be remembered, it was autogenerated by a script somewhere, which then spammed it onto a few hacked social media accounts and moved on to generate a new one. In the time it takes to build up and make money from one white hat site, a black hat script kid will have written something that can throw out hundreds of clickbait pages.

Gaming is another good example, where you can either take time crafting unique assets for something like GTA Online, or you can rush out a couple of hundred lovely match 3 clones in half the time and make ten times the money.

The difference between white and black hats (yes the term is stupid but it's the one I'm familiar with) is the difference between Corbyn and the tories. Corbynism was about building a better country through sustainability and long-term investment. Thatcherism was always about selling off the country for a profit and then investing it in your mates businesses.

At the start of this rant I had this thought that the tories were acting like it's all going to be over soon, but I think that too is part of the game. They drain all they can from the country, getting more venal and corrupt as they do so, until we reach a point where it has got bad enough that the dickheads finally ignore the Sun and Mail and vote Labour.

Then Labour try and rebuild, try and get rid of the deficet (white hat). And while out of power the tories reap the benefits of all the scams they ran while in power, all of the companies now giving them consultancy fees and directorships.

Eventually the public forget. They forgot how nakedly evil they were back in the 80s and early nineties. The press ramps up its support of the tory party because of course it loving does, they're all married to or appointed by tories. A number of economic bombs go off, like things the tories buy with PFI which gently caress Labour budgets up after they've gone.

And they get back into power just as Labour pays off the deficet, only to run it back up with insane giveaways to their friends in business.

It's a pattern we're going to see over and over, because now instead of Corbyn fixing the country we'll have at best sir Keith Haircut QC wringing his hands and being all forensic at PMQT while hundreds die as a result of tory incompetence.

E: Haircut is trying to invent the concept of grey hat, and it's failing hilariously because he refuses to build for the future like a white hat, but refuses to lower himself to the exploitative techniques of black hats. So he just sits there, a meaningless grey blob, doing nothing. Also the hat is a fedora.

I haven't bothered with skittles in years, then the wife bought a bag of giant skittles the other day and now I want them all the time, they're amazing.

I have read, and acknowledged, this large post

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:10

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

https://twitter.com/ChrisLeslieUK/status/1283755457828597761

Piss Leslie of "Nature of the Hard Left" has become a loan shark

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:12

Strawman: Feb 9, 2008; Tortuga means turtle, and that's me. I take my time but I always win.

thespaceinvader posted:

I'd consider paying for it even with those if it wasn't for all the liberalism and terfery.

I can live with out of touch upper middle class journalists being dumb about cheese.

I can't live with upper middle class journalists doing stealth fascism.

E: 278 years ago was the wonderfully named War of Jenkins Ear, which Britain fought against Spain apparently.

Interesting that we name the war after a merchant sailor who got his ear cut off by the Spanish coastguard 8 years before the war started, but the Spanish name it after a treaty allowing Britain to sell slaves in Spanish territory.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:14

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Apparently most places/languages do, it's only Spain (and Spanish America) that went with Guerra del Asiento. Guess it's the more interesting name.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:25

Rustybear: Nov 16, 2006; what the thunder said

Comrade Fakename posted:

Wow, this Russia report is looking to be really loving bad for the Tories.

Really? Why?

I'm struggling to understand why they give a poo poo, if it's just a bunch of stuff about how vote leave met someone from gazprom on a yacht in croatia in 2016 then nobody other than mad corkboard remainers will care. If it's piss tape pt. 2 then the brexit sardukar will immediately decide it's fake news and move on.

Genuinely think it has more to do with Cummings flexing his control of the tory party than any panic over the actual contents of the report.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:26

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

bessantj posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1283696649794195456

She's coming home.

I am ready for the shite hot takes

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:27

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Die Jenkinohrekrieg.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:27

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Gonzo McFee posted:

Piss Leslie of "Nature of the Hard Left" has become a loan shark

That's unfair he is actually their boss

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:30

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The behaviour of the right wing in both the UK and the US in the last few years has been like they know the gig is up. They know the system they created is unsustainable, they know it's all about to get shut down or collapse, so they've switched to fire-sale mode and are all trying to see how much they can get away with and how much they can steal before either environmental disaster or civil protest takes it all away from them.

Honestly I think this phase has strung out much longer than any of them expected and now we're stuck in this weird hell of the political right seeing how far they can get away with pushing things before society breaks.

I don't think this is malevolence or incompetence, I think this is the 'movement behind the curtain' Matt Crispman of Chapo keeps talking about. We'll never really get to see what's going on back there or understand the nature of the best, but occasionally we do see shapes moving against the surface, every so often a brief glimpse as some disturbance lifts the hem of the curtain ever so slightly. The epstein trials, or the labour leaks, or Greensill.

In a weird way though it's a good thing that we're seeing things like this, because it shows that the government is losing control over both the events and the messaging right now. In most cases it unfortunately means next to nothing because the concept of political accountability died with David Cameron.

In web monetisation there is the concept of black hat & white hat (probably in a lot of other areas too, but that's where I heard it). As an example, a white hat site takes the time to build a good UI, good community, ethical ad policy and content that results in a site which is pleasant to use, and people will wsnt to spend time on and come back to.

Black hat sites will use clickbait to sucker people into clicking on a page of shambolic, ad and malware infested copy/paste from another site with popunders leading to other clickbait sites, and every dirty trick in the book.

Note that I said white hat site (singular) and black hat pages (plural), because the thing about black hat sites is that they are not built to be revisited. It doesn't matter if you block the domain because the url was never made to be remembered, it was autogenerated by a script somewhere, which then spammed it onto a few hacked social media accounts and moved on to generate a new one. In the time it takes to build up and make money from one white hat site, a black hat script kid will have written something that can throw out hundreds of clickbait pages.

Gaming is another good example, where you can either take time crafting unique assets for something like GTA Online, or you can rush out a couple of hundred lovely match 3 clones in half the time and make ten times the money.

The difference between white and black hats (yes the term is stupid but it's the one I'm familiar with) is the difference between Corbyn and the tories. Corbynism was about building a better country through sustainability and long-term investment. Thatcherism was always about selling off the country for a profit and then investing it in your mates businesses.

At the start of this rant I had this thought that the tories were acting like it's all going to be over soon, but I think that too is part of the game. They drain all they can from the country, getting more venal and corrupt as they do so, until we reach a point where it has got bad enough that the dickheads finally ignore the Sun and Mail and vote Labour.

Then Labour try and rebuild, try and get rid of the deficet (white hat). And while out of power the tories reap the benefits of all the scams they ran while in power, all of the companies now giving them consultancy fees and directorships.

Eventually the public forget. They forgot how nakedly evil they were back in the 80s and early nineties. The press ramps up its support of the tory party because of course it loving does, they're all married to or appointed by tories. A number of economic bombs go off, like things the tories buy with PFI which gently caress Labour budgets up after they've gone.

And they get back into power just as Labour pays off the deficet, only to run it back up with insane giveaways to their friends in business.

It's a pattern we're going to see over and over, because now instead of Corbyn fixing the country we'll have at best sir Keith Haircut QC wringing his hands and being all forensic at PMQT while hundreds die as a result of tory incompetence.

E: Haircut is trying to invent the concept of grey hat, and it's failing hilariously because he refuses to build for the future like a white hat, but refuses to lower himself to the exploitative techniques of black hats. So he just sits there, a meaningless grey blob, doing nothing. Also the hat is a fedora.

I haven't bothered with skittles in years, then the wife bought a bag of giant skittles the other day and now I want them all the time, they're amazing.

I, too, have read and appreciated this post.

Just went for a walk and saw a former comrade who had voted Corbyn in 2015 but told me 2 years ago 'never again'. Anyway, she voted Starmer. She said "Please rejoin for the sake of Starmer" - not sure if my face gave the game away - I said "I'll probably still vote Labour but it's nice to be a free agent" (by which I mean being free to criticize the actions of the govt of the State of Israel without fear of being accused of anti-semitism and expelled from the party in a blaze of libel or slander) and then turned the convo onto Spaffer.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:31

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I would have asked why I or anyone else should do anything for the sake of starmer.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:35

Mega Comrade: Apr 22, 2004; Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Blackhate/whitehat stuff

While I get the point you're making, where did you hear those terms used like that for website monetisation?

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:37

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I also have never heard it in the context of website monetization, and it seems a little... odd too because I thought hats were by definition people with technical knowledge, who presumably would not be the ones making the monetization or development investment decisions.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:40

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1283771599280365570?s=20

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:41

Zalakwe: Jun 4, 2007; Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters

OwlFancier posted:

I would have asked why I or anyone else should do anything for the sake of starmer.

Starmer is basically a paper thin video game character - indistinguishable from his haircut and what other people say about him.

I dare anyone to tell me three things about Kier Starmer's actual character - What drives him? What does he believe in?

Not a clue.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jul 16, 2020

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:44

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

Starmer's behaviour is determined by Radiant AI.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:50

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

OwlFancier posted:

I would have asked why I or anyone else should do anything for the sake of starmer.

She's a nice person and nearly 80 (most of the local active labour party members are 60-90 years old) so I didn't want to get into that. She almost certainly reads the Graun avidly every day and I didn't want to antagonize her because I'm toying with the idea of standing as an Independent in an upcoming town council by-election if Labour aren't putting anyone up and would want her vote. (Normally the total vote in a town council ward is around 120-150 votes so 1 vote canmake a difference and has done on several occasions!)

Does this count as triangulating?

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jul 16, 2020

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:51

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Keir starmer walks into a building:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7LHIiSC9h0

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

She's a nice person and nearly 80 (most of the local active labour party members are 60-90 years old) so I didn't want to get into that. She almost certainly reads the Graun avidly every day and I didn't want to antagonize her because I'm toying with the idea of standing as an Independent in an upcoming town council by-election if Labour aren't putting anyone up and would want her vote. (Normally the total vote in a town council ward is around 120-150 votes so 1 vote canmake a difference and has done on several occasions!)

Does this count as triangulating?

Well fine if you want to be a normal human being and not spite every friend you've ever had for the momentary satisfaction then you can do that :v:

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:55

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/paigeherriott1/status/1281141127186350080?s=20

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:57

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Mega Comrade posted:

While I get the point you're making, where did you hear those terms used like that for website monetisation?

Porn initially, I thought a few years ago that it would be pretty easy to scrape the free samples that sites give out, upload it to a gallery site, stick some ads on it, and then output the galleries to tumblr. Not huge money, but certainly some money.

Then tumblr banned porn, I realised I didn't know poo poo about programming, and kind of lost all motivation for a few years.

I heard 'whitehat/blackhat' used in that context to refer to people who were building porn sites to retain users by putting actual care into them so users would return, and blackhats as people just out to automate making some quick bucks at the expense of any user retention.

If that's not the correct usage then please let me know.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:02

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

The concept of hats as I understand it refers usually to people who are technically knowledgeable about computers and how they use their knowledge. I think the most common usage is in reference to security where white hats build security systems and black hats break into them maliciously. The idea being that it is the same knowledge but used to different ends. With grey I think usually being people who do both, or possibly penetration testers.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/black-hat.html

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:04

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

lol the British Press are really going to let the Tories dictate a day of hate against Jeremy Corbyn to try and get ahead of the obvious corruption and taking money from Russian Oligarchs the Tory party have been doing for the past ten years. Absolutely pathetic.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:05

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

It's cowboy terminology - it's literally as simple as them being morality coded by their hats. Hackers want to self aggrandise and clearly draw a line between the illegal activities they feel are justified, and those unjustified.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:09

Carecat: Apr 27, 2004; Buglord

Surely with all this time and the Tory influence for a decade there's not going to be much incrimination in the report? We will get :proof:

that Russia interfered in every election but it's not going to lead to anything

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:10

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

Literally the most prominent SEO forum is called www.blackhatworld.com, and it does focus on monetisation as well, so it's definitely used in that context within some communities.

Though I can't help but think that actual hackers scoff at using it that way a bit.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:11

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

OwlFancier posted:

white hats

m'lady

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:11

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Gonzo McFee posted:

lol the British Press are really going to let the Tories dictate a day of hate against Jeremy Corbyn to try and get ahead of the obvious corruption and taking money from Russian Oligarchs the Tory party have been doing for the past ten years. Absolutely pathetic.

https://twitter.com/mynnoj/status/1283780764157566977?s=20

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:11

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

There's a lot of weird esoteric terminology that stems from the 80's through to the millenium (and earlier I guess, but the early computing boom and early internet helped it take off) because it turns out people who used computers then were loving nerds.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jul 16, 2020

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:13

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/mynnoj/status/1283780764157566977?s=20

Lol @ "would you do it again"

Literally a beating-wife gambit

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:13

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

bessantj posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1283696649794195456

She's coming home.

'subject to such controls as the home secretary deems appropriate'

I'd be very, very surprised if those controls aren't impossible to meet.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:14

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

I think with SEO it's that the internet ad community desperately wants to be cool. Though granted some of the "blackhat" techniques are at least hacking-adjacent.

e:
Specifically for SEO "blackhat" refers to using fake content and various abusive techniques to drive views/revenue, whereas "whitehat" is about making meaningful content that also happens to be good clickbait and searchable.

In hacking it refers whether you're doing it to exploit vulnerabilities for harmful ends (blackhat) or just to find the vulnerabilities and report them (whitehat).

Technically all SEO is "blackhat" by the traditional definition.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 16, 2020

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:15

Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

The hats thing makes me think of d&d (not the forum) and lotr and stuff like that. Like wizard's hats.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:27

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

Up until, god I've heard it as late as the spaghetti western period, cowboys in movies who were good wore white cowboy hats and evil ones wore black ones. coding was never particularly subtle.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:29

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Gonzo McFee posted:

lol the British Press are really going to let the Tories dictate a day of hate against Jeremy Corbyn to try and get ahead of the obvious corruption and taking money from Russian Oligarchs the Tory party have been doing for the past ten years. Absolutely pathetic.

eh the whole state has been involved in it for longer than i've been alive.

thats bojo's real lookout imo, the press and government are gonna try to make him the focus of all of societies problems so they can get back to doing the same poo poo

its like how its his fault coronavirus got so bad yet we all saw the the entire press and all opposition parties doing thinky faces or going to bat for the insane-on-the-face-of-it herd immunity plan for pretty much a whole week (apart from... *checks notes, spit takes* lisa nandy????) and sage and PHE and the NHS higher ups all dropping their balls simultaneously

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:32

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

CoolCab posted:

Up until, god I've heard it as late as the spaghetti western period, cowboys in movies who were good wore white cowboy hats and evil ones wore black ones. coding was never particularly subtle.

I don't think it was really a spaghetti western thing, it mainly refers to the thousands (tens of thousands?) of now largely forgotten US black and white Western movies and TV shows that were made from after the war until around the end of the sixties. A lot of them were just incredibly straightforward, the good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black hats.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:40

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# ? May 28, 2024 12:41

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

Yeah, specifically I've heard that Leon represented a kind of gritty realistic reaction for cowboy pictures, more of a 60s take on a 50s standard. I don't know how accurately it represents the genre at the time Fistfull came out tho

# ? Jul 16, 2020 16:46

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