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GutBomb posted:I think the post has a bit of hyperbole in it. With the context of the guys other posts he didn’t mean that at 10:58 PM on July 15th 2020 he realized that he had been wrong.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'm in a convenience store, masked up and distancing, and in front of me I see a white, ugly, overweight sunburned couple with no shoes on, no masks on, the guy has one of those camouflage baseball hats on wit h the bill creased extra hard and a fish hook on it, U.S. flag swim trunks and they're picking up two cases of Natural Light, 2 of those huge 48 oz fountain drinks, carrying 3 scratch off tickets while pushing up close to the back of the line with no attempt at keeping distance from anyone. I grew up in Oklahoma, spent several years living in Texas and Louisiana and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this post or anything it implies
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GutBomb posted:Hindsight is what lets us see that it was clearly intentional. No, it was super obvious back then. The only way to not see it was to not want to see it. The only thing hindsight has done is take away the cover people were using to pretend things weren’t really that bad, so they could continue to coast comfortably and not have to think about it too much.
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FilthyImp posted:Jesus christ man how the gently caress does someone defend that? I didn't defend her. Making a nazi salute on live tv during the RNC just seemed to over the stop and stupid even for them. I'm firmly convinced it was muscle memory now. I listen fine.
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BiggerBoat posted:I didn't defend her. Making a nazi salute on live tv during the RNC just seemed to over the stop and stupid even for them. I'm firmly convinced it was muscle memory now. I listen fine. When I googled this this morning to find a video of it, the first hit I got was Slate "examining" it and concluding it was "an accident" or "trolling the libs." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyDnFKz20Lc Also, lol quote:1. Ingraham is a Nazi and wants everyone to know it. Odds: Zero! The Fox News contributor has previously been quite clear that she thinks likening the GOP to the party of Hitler is “a really ridiculous comparison.” She was also quick today to dismiss the focus on her speech-ending hand gesture as the work of “desperate liberals.” "No, she thinks comparing the Republicans to the Nazis is bad and also I take her at her word when she attacks her political opponents!" Oh, and as for the muscle memory thing? quote:2. Ingraham is a Nazi and, while she doesn’t want people to know it, force of habit got the best of her in all the excitement. Odds: Also zero! Moving on. Thanks Slate. Good job! 
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Add this to the pile of things that'll be disregard until it's blatant:
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Leofish posted:Oh, and as for the muscle memory thing? Holy poo poo, they don't even bother trying to think of an explanation. Has Ingraham done anything after this that's just as/even more blatant so I can shove it in people's faces that told me that I was being paranoid? Not American so I miss poo poo like this constantly if I'm not paying attention.
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:No, it was super obvious back then. The only way to not see it was to not want to see it. The only thing hindsight has done is take away the cover people were using to pretend things weren’t really that bad, so they could continue to coast comfortably and not have to think about it too much. I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to accept that someone just threw a sig heil on stage at the loving RNC. Even knowing how terrible the right has descended it would represent a new and very scary depth. I did the same thing and my mind initially rejected it because it was too despicable to comprehend. Of course it also primed me to keep a very close eye on them as you only get so many "oopsy!"s and well.... we all know what happened over the past few years.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:It's not really an option. Unlike in some systems of government, where the chief executive is chief executive until replaced, the President is only the president for a set period of time unless re-innaugurated. Even if he stamps his feet and contests the outcome of the election, to the point where the electoral college can't meet to certify the results, he still stops being the president on January 20th, 2021, at which point President Pelosi gets to tell the secret service to bundle him out of the office. Why, in other words, do people still believe that our system is anything other than an absolute house of cards, just waiting for the slightest breeze to topple it completely?
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JohnClark posted:I have seen this opinion expressed elsewhere quite a lot, and I just don't understand it. After everything that Trump has done, criminal, corrupt, "norm-breaking", etc., how can people still believe that some sort of non-self executing time stamp is going to restrain him? What happens when he says the election is fraudulent and specifically refuses to accept the results? What happens when Bill Barr says the constitution demands this or that and that the DoJ is investigating "wide spread irregularities"? What happens when the Chief Justice refuses to conduct the inauguration because "we owe it to our constitution to get this right"? Lmao. Noone's going to the mat for the orange blob. You massively underestimate the power of legitimacy and the inertia of nation-states. Even Putin spent twenty years juggling titles and offices before officially becoming preznit for life. Breaking norms is one thing, breaking the system is another. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Lmao. Noone's going to the mat for the orange blob. You massively underestimate the power of legitimacy and the inertia of nation-states. Donald Trump of all people is not going to inspire his cronies to loyalty once he's out of power. They won't even stop leaking poo poo or writing tell all books about him when he's still president
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JohnClark posted:I have seen this opinion expressed elsewhere quite a lot, and I just don't understand it. After everything that Trump has done, criminal, corrupt, "norm-breaking", etc., how can people still believe that some sort of non-self executing time stamp is going to restrain him? What happens when he says the election is fraudulent and specifically refuses to accept the results? What happens when Bill Barr says the constitution demands this or that and that the DoJ is investigating "wide spread irregularities"? What happens when the Chief Justice refuses to conduct the inauguration because "we owe it to our constitution to get this right"? Literally everybody in Washington who is not Lindsey Graham has been signalling their willingness to throw Trump under the bus if he loses in November since the start of the pandemic. Who is going to obey Trump's unlawful orders? The military? Remember when the SecDef and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs publicly disavowed Trump's stupid church walk stuff? They never throw even that kind of low level shade at normal presidents. The courts? Chief Roberts just rejected an attempt to establish presidential immunity to prosecution because he cares more about the court's legacy than Trump's politics, and even in the extremely unlikely event that he didn't innaugurate Biden after he won, that still wouldn't make Trump the President after Jan 20th. Trump has the ruling instincts of a despot without the interest in actually building a power base.
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I've got this very specific nightmare scenario that I can't get out of my head: Russia is going to massively tamper with the election and "accidentally" get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. If they rig it so trump wins, the spineless Democrats are going to make speeches about how they "hope the president does the right thing" and absolutely gently caress all else. If they rig it so Biden wins (or Biden just wins and the Russians say "whoopsie!"), trump will annul the election and declare that we can't hold another one until corona virus is under control.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Lmao. Noone's going to the mat for the orange blob. You massively underestimate the power of legitimacy and the inertia of nation-states. Jarvisi posted:Donald Trump of all people is not going to inspire his cronies to loyalty once he's out of power. They won't even stop leaking poo poo or writing tell all books about him when he's still president Old Kentucky Shark posted:Literally everybody in Washington who is not Lindsey Graham has been signalling their willingness to throw Trump under the bus if he loses in November since the start of the pandemic. yup. this video goes into detail. trump has spent the past four years breaking every rule in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
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Groovelord Neato posted:Trump is an enormous crybaby who folds like a cheap suit. He's gonna stamp his feet about how he totally won if you don't count the 20 million illegal votes and tweet from his golden apartment. More realistically, he will get his own show on OANN or start his own network like he originally wanted, because he and his followers would rather forever believe that the system is cockblocking them.
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je1 healthcare posted:More realistically, he will get his own show on OANN or start his own network like he originally wanted, because he and his followers would rather forever believe that the system is cockblocking them. Yeah people don't seem to grasp how miserable Trump is being president. The only reason he wants to be re-elected is he doesn't want to be seen as a loser.
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Yeah, Trump is going to throw a prolonged tantrum if he loses, and expect a lot of "this was an invalid election, we should not accept it!" rhetoric from the RWM. But when the day comes, Trump is going to leave the White House and fall back into the cushy lifestyle of softball interviews and promoted tweet-storms until he croaks. Rather than being worried about Trump leaving office, I'm much more concerned about violence coming from the people that have been radicalized over the years. I can't help but think that a Trump loss is going to cause a wave of "vigilante" violence, mostly from the Qanon crowd. They're really itching for it. Granted, it'll probably be "isolated incidents" rather than any organized mob, but there are a ton of people out there that have been conditioned to view anything other than a Republican landslide this November as being caused by George Soros and his sniveling lackeys.
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I understand that Trump is, himself, and incompetent moron. But there are a lot of people who have entirely cast their lot with him, who are not that. Just look at this: https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1283436911307218948 Someone gave the order to have this poo poo done, likely Bill Barr. Why are we so confident that Republican senators or whoever else is going to stop him, if he makes a move come election time?
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That's my thinking, he provides tons of cover for dirtbags at every level of power to go ham on their preferred punching bags, and he's got tons of dipshit believers who will follow him to the grave (inshallah). There are a bunch of people deeply invested in trump, I don't think it will be anywhere near as simple as everyone just walks away from him.
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greazeball posted:That's my thinking, he provides tons of cover for dirtbags at every level of power to go ham on their preferred punching bags, and he's got tons of dipshit believers who will follow him to the grave (inshallah). There are a bunch of people deeply invested in trump, I don't think it will be anywhere near as simple as everyone just walks away from him. You will be fuckin amazed how few microseconds it will take for Trump to be persona non grata the instant he loses the oval office.
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What I and others are talking about is how many people are invested in keeping him in that office. Just having him there gives a lot of people free rein to do whatever the gently caress they've always wanted and they're never going to have so little oversight and so much protection again. When he's gone he's gone (and most people will pretend they never heard of him), but I really don't think he's going to go easy.
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A lot of Republicans are smart enough to know that losing Trump could get them big gains in the 2022 midterms. Bush and the Republicans (with an earlier assist by the Clinton admin) destroyed the economy and in the first midterms after it happened voters swept the Republicans back into power. Granted Obama totally hosed up the response to the recession but even then that's insane.
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Jarvisi posted:Donald Trump of all people is not going to inspire his cronies to loyalty once he's out of power. They won't even stop leaking poo poo or writing tell all books about him when he's still president Not his cronies but I honestly doubt his die hard followers are going to memory hole him the way they did W, Palin, Paul Ryan and some of the others. This presidency has escalated this RWM poo poo to whole new tier (paging Prester Jane to the thread). If nothing else, like someone else posted, he does something like buy OANN or do regular spots on Newsmax and poo poo while he continues to hawk "Don't Blame Me, I voted for Trump!" t-shirts and poo poo and tweet about Biden and the rigged election. ALso, BiggerBoat posted:So Rush assured his viewers today that only HE knows the REAL reason that Mary Trump's book release got moved up but he's totally sworn to secrecy so we'll all just have to trust him when he says it has nothing to do with "unprecedented enthusiastic interest" in the thing. Sure, Rush. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/media/mary-trump-book-sales/index.html Mary Trump's book breaks record with mammoth sales
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:You will be fuckin amazed how few microseconds it will take for Trump to be persona non grata the instant he loses the oval office. You should go back and re-read some of the election threads from 2016. Or even some posts in this thread from the same time period. We're in a whole new level of "what law?" and "what are you gonna do about it"..."this will NEVER HAPPEN" right now and I thnk you better come to grips with a new reality. "Alternative facts" and all that. Angry rednecks and mean cops DYING to use up all that dry powder. Ignorance, fear and stupidity run amok. Broke, sick, angry and desperate people with no FDR in sight to save us. Decades of underfunded education. This makes poo poo like Watergate, Iran Contra, 2008 recession and the Iraq War seem like kid stuff. I've been reading a lot of history books lately that talk about some of those things and the way they describe it is eerily prescient. Trump is not Palin, Ben Carson, Christ Christie or even Rush Limbaugh. He's the ultimate RWM created Frankenstein monster that finally achieved life, burst from the castle and (somehow) is the very embodiment of what 40+ years of Christian Evangelicalism sees as the vessel for some weird theocratic (prosperity gospel) dictatorship, plus the corporations that really run this country are almost 100% on board. They're seeing what they can get away with, BLM not withstanding. A 40+ approval rating is downright terrifying to me and a strong stock market should tell EVERYONE all they need to know because that should be in the tank right now. poo poo is hitting he fan and his followers are not going to memory hole him primarily because he MADE IT. And his creators achieved LIFE with their orange golem. Look how fast the "never trumpers" fell over themselves to suck his dick. EDIT: Sorry, I'm on a rant here but speaking of Trump fellaters and sorry for double posting but here's Ron Desantis saying the media never asked him about C19 in May with total proof to the contrary that half the country won't see or hear because they watch FOX NEws. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/16/florida-gov-ron-desantis-coronavirus-media-fact-check-nr-vpx.cnn BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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2016: "Trump isn't going to win." 2017: "There are checks and balances that will keep Trump in line." 2017-2020:  2020: "Everyone will abandon Trump if he loses."
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Leofish posted:2016: "Trump isn't going to win."
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Leofish posted:2016: "Trump isn't going to win." Basically. Although BiggerBoat is so, so very close to the correct conclusion that all of the previous scandals cited are actually just the natural progression of the twin snakes of continued accumulation of executive power and authority, and capital accumulation that continues to just blow the previous high-water mark for it away each year. Trump isn't some weird deviation, he's entirely consistent with the effective absence of these supposed limitations in the face of such social and economic forces. There was a point four or five years ago where I was similarly shocked, but that passed pretty quickly when I actually put Trump in context of the historical progression of the United States, which started off not very great and has at this point more or less hit a free-fall.
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Leofish posted:2016: "Trump isn't going to win." Once he stops being useful he'll definitely be abandoned, because his very last use is to be blamed for everything so the republican party can act like this was totally just an aberration for real everyone. This pandemic is making that really easy on them too, they can blame all the fuckups on him and him alone and then when everything is still poo poo in two years because they won't even have unraveled a tenth of the ways he's hosed up the country by then they can use that to try and get them back the whole legislative branch for exciting new future ways to destroy all life. Feinne fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jul 17, 2020 |
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Feinne posted:Once he stops being useful he'll definitely be abandoned, because his very last use is to be blamed for everything so the republican party can act like this was totally just an aberration for real everyone. This pandemic is making that really easy on them too, they can blame all the fuckups on him and him alone and then when everything is still poo poo in two years because they won't even have unraveled a tenth of the ways he's hosed up the country by then they can use that to try and get them back the whole legislative branch for exciting new future ways to destroy all life. Nope, nope nope IF he loses, they'll blame everything on Biden (see: Obama, Barrack H.) and the GOP will be continue to be overrun and stuck with DJT 2.0 as they all try to out conservative each other. If he somehow wins, as it stands right now, we'll know for sure that there IS an actual fix taking place while 40% of the country says "see? Told you the news/polls were fake". How can you be so obtuse to this constant doubling down and how gradually normalized this poo poo is becoming? Trump's not going anywhere, win or lose, and his cult will follow him. Future candidates will be beholden for whatever passes as "news" on whatever TV show he winds up on while they cram all every gerrymandered district int eh country full of Tea Party Qanon true believers. WE're past the point of being able to laugh at these people or assume that the people running know better. They are IN the government now. And we'll get 4 years of calling for investigations into voter fraud as Biden does his best to weakly urinate on a country that's in complete flames. We all made fun of the Tea Party folks too and now that seems almost quaint.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:They will the nanosecond he no longer has any power. The trick will be getting to that point. Right. If he loses power. Backing him while he denies reality means he keeps power. You folks thinking he's going quietly into the night are killing me. The Whitehouse is demanding hospitals report direct to them, circumventing the CDC. The mayor of Atlanta just made a mask mandate and the republican governor is suing. These sycophants are all in. They are with Trump, no matter what.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Right. If he loses power. Backing him while he denies reality means he keeps power. You folks thinking he's going quietly into the night are killing me. He’s not going to go quietly. He’s going to whine and bitch and tweet and piss and moan, then he’s going to shuffle out the door like the sniveling coward he is. Some of you have lost all perspective if you think the gap between “loud mouth surrounded by opportunistic parasites” and “overthrowing the United States government” is that narrow.
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Feinne posted:Once he stops being useful he'll definitely be abandoned, because his very last use is to be blamed for everything so the republican party can act like this was totally just an aberration for real everyone. This pandemic is making that really easy on them too, they can blame all the fuckups on him and him alone and then when everything is still poo poo in two years because they won't even have unraveled a tenth of the ways he's hosed up the country by then they can use that to try and get them back the whole legislative branch for exciting new future ways to destroy all life.  You make a sound argument, and I'm happy to be proven wrong. Some of the, "Oh, it'll never happen" talk just has me thinking of all the other things that were never supposed to happen. Four months to go!
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