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Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Yeah, snapping is an entirely different thing than the actual, visible gridlines and time rulers. It can be turned on or off on a whim.

I have been working professionally as well as freelance in audio for almost 20 years now, and I can say with all confidence that Reaper will do exactly what you want and it is customizable out the wazoo. It works great for musical and non-musical purposes, equally.

GarageBand is kind of like Baby's First DAW, and even Apple more or less branded and marketed it that way. It's completely understandable that it's not a great audio editor, as it REALLY caters more to musical stuff.

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Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



You can even set Audacity as external audio editor in Reaper so you can fall back on it for some things it might (?) do better.

Rupert Buttermilk
Apr 15, 2007

🚣RowboatMan: ❄️Freezing time🕰️ is an old P.I. 🥧trick...

Flipperwaldt posted:

You can even set Audacity as external audio editor in Reaper so you can fall back on it for some things it might (?) do better.

Paulstretch! (formerly a separate program/vst,now fully integrated into Audacity)

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




So I finally have a space big enough to be able to get studio monitors, and have been shopping around in the ~CAD$500 range. I'd been looking at KRK Rokit5s or JBL 305Ps. But right now there's a guy on Craigslist selling a pair of Event 20/20 BAS monitors for that price, and slightly less than the 5 inch monitors new.

Is there anything I should beware of? Does this seem like a good idea?

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Well, to answer my own question, after some research I've concluded that a) the Event 20/20 BAS are larger than I'm wanting for my desk right now, b) there was some good advice never to buy used monitors since you have no way of knowing how abused they are, and c) the bigger speaker isn't such an issue, since I'd still need a subwoofer if I wanted deep bass, and also there is no way I'd be able to treat a room the size I'm using to actually get an accurate picture of the lower bass frequencies anyway.

So I've ordered the KRKs.

ricecult
Oct 2, 2012




A little Reaper trick that may not be news for some people, but it helped me a hell of a lot when I figured it out: if you want your audio files to not be tied to the BPM of the project, right click the audio and "set timebase to time." It's a pain in the rear end if you have a loop that you want to base a track off of and want to set the BPM to it otherwise.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
There’s this bundle on reverb with a presonus atom and a set of akg k240’s for $160, if I was in the market for that price point of both of those items(have been looking at ~$100 midi pad controllers that work with PC and iOS and considering getting a pair of headphones with more accurate sound than the cheap ones I have now) is it a good deal?

https://reverb.com/item/23472565-presonus-atom-akg-k-240-studio-headphones

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003
After nearly 15 years of use, my trusty MOTU 896mk3 seems to have finally given up the ghost (accompanied by an unpleasant burning odor). I've been considering what might be an equivalent-or-better interface, and have come across the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. Anyone have any experience with it? How is it different from something like their Clarett 8Pre? Anything else you might recommend? Will it work as easily with Logic Pro as the MOTU did? I can't imagine why it wouldn't, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

does the VST work in Catalina? Does Audacity work in Catalina, for that matter? Last I heard neither did.

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
Yeah there is a new update for it, it works in Catalina now.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Weird BIAS posted:

Yeah there is a new update for it, it works in Catalina now.

audacity or the VST? Last bit of news regarding Catalina and the VST is from February, and it looks like Xeniakos wasn’t planning to do more work on it

Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012

El Miguel posted:

After nearly 15 years of use, my trusty MOTU 896mk3 seems to have finally given up the ghost (accompanied by an unpleasant burning odor). I've been considering what might be an equivalent-or-better interface, and have come across the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. Anyone have any experience with it? How is it different from something like their Clarett 8Pre? Anything else you might recommend? Will it work as easily with Logic Pro as the MOTU did? I can't imagine why it wouldn't, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing.

I was just idly doing some research into the 18i20 since I’m thinking of upgrading from my four channel interface, and the 8pre is basically a better and more expensive version of it. They should work fine with Logic, since the whole line of Scarletts are meant to be as user-friendly as possible, and everyone I know with the solo/2i2/6i6 have never had any issues, and I can’t imagine the 18i20 being any different

Jazz Marimba fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Aug 3, 2020

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.

Ok Comboomer posted:

audacity or the VST? Last bit of news regarding Catalina and the VST is from February, and it looks like Xeniakos wasn’t planning to do more work on it

I mean I have Catalina and Audacity and while doing other editing I saw paulstretch was still in there.

No idea on a separate vst.

TerminalSaint
Apr 21, 2007


Where must we go...

we who wander this Wasteland in search of our better selves?
Has anyone else run into EMI issues from their PC? I recently built a new PC and now my ribbon mic preamp is picking up a lot of noise it didn't before. Here's a short recording https://soundcloud.com/terminalsaint/noise/s-h3UVyeHkLAV

I'm quite confident it's from the PC because it not only corresponds to things like mouse movements, but it also goes away entirely when I shut the PC down. Moving around the output cable has some effect on the volume of noise, and moving the preamp power cable has a very significant effect. Is there anything I can do other than fiddle with cable positions until it's minimal?

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

Spanish Manlove posted:

You can press alt+g ang it turns the grid off/on

or just go to options->snapping and the setting is on there


alt+s turns snapping on/off, I think being able to see the grid while not being stuck to it is useful when doing drums etc

Just jumping in to ask about the currently recommended cheapest interface is? My behringer one stopped working and while i don't want to spend much id like to upgrade to a more reliable brand

two inputs would be nice

field balm fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Aug 2, 2020

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



I have a focusrite scarlett 8i6 and I like it (but it's more than I need). The 2i2 has two inputs and shouldn't be materially different so long as you're good on inputs and outputs

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
I have the scarlett 18i8, with 4 mic inputs. I'm glad I went with that one, so I can record two mics + a bass DI.

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003

Heavyocity Damage 2 releases tomorrow just fyi

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

TerminalSaint posted:

Has anyone else run into EMI issues from their PC? I recently built a new PC and now my ribbon mic preamp is picking up a lot of noise it didn't before. Here's a short recording https://soundcloud.com/terminalsaint/noise/s-h3UVyeHkLAV

I'm quite confident it's from the PC because it not only corresponds to things like mouse movements, but it also goes away entirely when I shut the PC down. Moving around the output cable has some effect on the volume of noise, and moving the preamp power cable has a very significant effect. Is there anything I can do other than fiddle with cable positions until it's minimal?

i had a guitar that did this if i stood within a couple feet of my computer, and i spent forever trying to figure it out (i just got a new guitar :v:). the major things that helped were getting a power conditioner, keeping my instrument cables away from the computer and each other, and then just making sure the guitar was far enough away when i recorded that the noise didn't show up or was at least minimized. i'm not sure if there's any shielding you can get, but you can also grab a noise reduction plugin of some sort—i like the waves ns-1 best, i think, because it's simple and sounds good as long as you don't crank the slider all the way up—i usually keep it at 10-15 to get rid of some really nasty cheap camera preamp noise at work. i wouldn't buy it at full price, though, because it seems like it's on sale as often as it's not so you shouldn't have to wait long for a deal.

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003

Jazz Marimba posted:

I was just idly doing some research into the 18i20 since I’m thinking of upgrading from my for channel interface, and the 8pre is basically a better and more expensive version of it. They should work fine with Logic, since the whole line of Scarletts are meant to be as user-friendly as possible, and everyone I know with the solo/2i2/6i6 have never had any issues, and I can’t imagine the 18i20 being any different

I'm looking forward to using it; unfortunately, the unit came with two power cables neither of which is appropriate for an American outlet, so I'm sitting on my hands while they get me the right cable.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

CaptainViolence posted:

. . . grab a noise reduction plugin of some sort—i like the waves ns-1 best, i think, because it's simple and sounds good as long as you don't crank the slider all the way up . . .

I was looking into Waves, and then just now on my Twitter timeline saw a post from Izotope pop up with RX Elements on sale for $29 (which I guess is $100 off).

Anyone have any experience comparing the two, or any recommendation for one over the other?

I'm thinking some kind of noise reduction plug-in would be useful to take care of some hum when recording with some of my guitars and pedals that are a little noisy sometimes. Just messing around for my own personal amusement, so I don't need something massively complex, or designed specifically for isolating vocals or something like that. But the sale price makes RX Elements look pretty attractive.

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

i use both of them pretty frequently at work (the standard RX package and not elements, though). waves is more set it and forget it, with a single slider that does everything automatically under the hood. it works surprisingly well and i use that about 90% of the time just cleaning up dialogue recorded on variously noisy preamps. but on the occasions it doesn't work well, the RX stuff gives you waaaaaay more control and so you can dial it in a little better—but you have to spend the time to dial it in, or else it can end up sounding worse. it comes with presets that are nice starting points, but it really takes some fiddling with the sliders to get a combo that works. on the bright side, if you have dead air, it has a "learn" mode that can get you super close by creating a noise profile and generating settings based on that. it tends to go overboard, but it's really helpful nonetheless.

the main draw to RX for me is having a few different modules. the noise reduction works pretty well, but also having the de-click, de-clip, and de-reverb have helped me save some pretty gnarly recordings. they still never sounded great, but they ended up being listenable.

the main thing to keep in mind is it's easy to go overboard with either one, though—like i said before, i usually keep the waves plugin set at ≈10, and anything higher than 35 or 40 starts sounding weird. all the way up at 100 makes my head feel like it's turning inside out. RX is similar, so i usually bring its default 10 down to a 4 or 5 at most. i think as long as you remember to treat them as noise reduction plugins instead of noise removing plugins, you'll be golden with whichever process sounds more appealing to you (either the super simple or ridiculously involved).

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

CaptainViolence posted:

i think as long as you remember to treat them as noise reduction plugins instead of noise removing plugins, you'll be golden with whichever process sounds more appealing to you (either the super simple or ridiculously involved).

Thanks for the details -- that's really informative.

Now to engage in the age old struggle between knowing in my heart that I'm probably better off with something simpler that will just work and I'll regularly use, and my head wanting something as complex and fiddly as possible.

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

El Miguel posted:

After nearly 15 years of use, my trusty MOTU 896mk3 seems to have finally given up the ghost (accompanied by an unpleasant burning odor). I've been considering what might be an equivalent-or-better interface, and have come across the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. Anyone have any experience with it? How is it different from something like their Clarett 8Pre? Anything else you might recommend? Will it work as easily with Logic Pro as the MOTU did? I can't imagine why it wouldn't, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing.

I've got a Mk3 18i20. I'm really happy with it. The routing software is decent and works well, and the current version is a bit more user friendly than previous versions were. I've tracked up to 6 channels simultaneously with no issues and the recordings sound great, clean and transparent. It's been completely reliable to me so far.

If you google Scarlett vs Clarett there are some articles breaking down the differences. The Clarett is more a premium, pro level interface, I think it has better pre-amps on paper. Not sure about other features.

e: I've used with Ableton Live and Audition so not sure about Logic, however a friend of mine has an Mk2 18i20 which he uses with Logic and hasn't had any issues that I know of.

Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012

chippy posted:

I've got a Mk3 18i20. I'm really happy with it. The routing software is decent and works well, and the current version is a bit more user friendly than previous versions were. I've tracked up to 6 channels simultaneously with no issues and the recordings sound great, clean and transparent. It's been completely reliable to me so far.

what’d they change to make it more user friendly?

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




McCoy Pauley posted:

Thanks for the details -- that's really informative.

Now to engage in the age old struggle between knowing in my heart that I'm probably better off with something simpler that will just work and I'll regularly use, and my head wanting something as complex and fiddly as possible.

Build a Faraday cage for your PC.

TerminalSaint
Apr 21, 2007


Where must we go...

we who wander this Wasteland in search of our better selves?

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Build a Faraday cage for your PC.

This is something I considered.

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

Jazz Marimba posted:

what’d they change to make it more user friendly?

It's literally a completely different UI. I never owned a Mk2 and only used one a little, so I never properly learned the old software or know it well enough to give you comparisons, but this is an overview of how the new one works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaAQpyYkcnA

In fact the name is different as well so I guess it's basically completely new software.

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners
I want to add 8 more line-ins to my interface (MOTU Ultralite AVB) - I'm going to use them for synths exclusively, no mics. The ADA8200 seems to be the go-to for this task, but I'd prefer to avoid buying Behringer if I can, and used units are pretty scarce right now. I've considered looking for older interfaces (MOTU 828 MK2, Saffire Pro 40), and there are plenty available in the $200 range. Is this a good idea, and are there any other options I should consider for $200-300?

edit: Primary use will be for jamming with the Ultralite's built-in mixer, not to record a bunch of stuff at once

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known
speaking of scarletts, my 2nd gen solo's usb-b jack is starting to crap out after only 2 years. i transported it a bunch for an amateur recording project, so maybe it was just too delicate to be occasionally carried in a backpack. it's very annoying when the jack is the weakest piece of electronics, though. it almost feels like planned obsolescence.

anyway, my question is: which audio interfaces are actually durable enough to last several years, even if they're moved around a bunch? the next interface i'd want would have 2 or 4 mic/line/inst inputs. the 3rd gen scarletts look like they have a microusb connector instead, which is promising, but they haven't been around long enough to prove their durability. if someone can vouch for the general longevity of microusb over usb-b, that'd be useful.

i don't have money to spend right this second, thanks to covid, so i'd just like to have a good ballpark for what i would need to spend on something that lasts a long time.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Hustle Hound posted:

speaking of scarletts, my 2nd gen solo's usb-b jack is starting to crap out after only 2 years. i transported it a bunch for an amateur recording project, so maybe it was just too delicate to be occasionally carried in a backpack. it's very annoying when the jack is the weakest piece of electronics, though. it almost feels like planned obsolescence.

anyway, my question is: which audio interfaces are actually durable enough to last several years, even if they're moved around a bunch? the next interface i'd want would have 2 or 4 mic/line/inst inputs. the 3rd gen scarletts look like they have a microusb connector instead, which is promising, but they haven't been around long enough to prove their durability. if someone can vouch for the general longevity of microusb over usb-b, that'd be useful.

i don't have money to spend right this second, thanks to covid, so i'd just like to have a good ballpark for what i would need to spend on something that lasts a long time.

Have you opened it up and looked at the jack? If it’s physical damage it should be visible/tinkerable. Like if there’s damage to the plug or its surrounding connections you should be able to find it and jiggle around some loose solder or whatever.

Have you looked at the cable? The damage might be there and not in the interface itself. I’ve had bad luck borking USB-B connectors with too much sharp bending at the seam between the connector and the cable.

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

Hustle Hound posted:

speaking of scarletts, my 2nd gen solo's usb-b jack is starting to crap out after only 2 years. i transported it a bunch for an amateur recording project, so maybe it was just too delicate to be occasionally carried in a backpack. it's very annoying when the jack is the weakest piece of electronics, though. it almost feels like planned obsolescence.

anyway, my question is: which audio interfaces are actually durable enough to last several years, even if they're moved around a bunch? the next interface i'd want would have 2 or 4 mic/line/inst inputs. the 3rd gen scarletts look like they have a microusb connector instead, which is promising, but they haven't been around long enough to prove their durability. if someone can vouch for the general longevity of microusb over usb-b, that'd be useful.

i don't have money to spend right this second, thanks to covid, so i'd just like to have a good ballpark for what i would need to spend on something that lasts a long time.

Focusrite offers a 3-year warranty currently so as long as they were offering that when you got yours you may be in luck.

chippy fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Aug 7, 2020

Hustle Hound
Oct 21, 2012

all is known

Ok Comboomer posted:

Have you opened it up and looked at the jack? If it’s physical damage it should be visible/tinkerable. Like if there’s damage to the plug or its surrounding connections you should be able to find it and jiggle around some loose solder or whatever.

Have you looked at the cable? The damage might be there and not in the interface itself. I’ve had bad luck borking USB-B connectors with too much sharp bending at the seam between the connector and the cable.

luckily i had a replacement cable lying around. i tried it out for a few minutes last night and it seems to have fixed it for now. i guess i hadn't considered the cable when i was testing it earlier. i jiggled it around at the connector a bit and assumed the jack must have come loose or something. but hey, now i know better. thanks!

El Miguel
Oct 30, 2003

Hustle Hound posted:

speaking of scarletts, my 2nd gen solo's usb-b jack is starting to crap out after only 2 years. i transported it a bunch for an amateur recording project, so maybe it was just too delicate to be occasionally carried in a backpack. it's very annoying when the jack is the weakest piece of electronics, though. it almost feels like planned obsolescence.

anyway, my question is: which audio interfaces are actually durable enough to last several years, even if they're moved around a bunch? the next interface i'd want would have 2 or 4 mic/line/inst inputs. the 3rd gen scarletts look like they have a microusb connector instead, which is promising, but they haven't been around long enough to prove their durability. if someone can vouch for the general longevity of microusb over usb-b, that'd be useful.

i don't have money to spend right this second, thanks to covid, so i'd just like to have a good ballpark for what i would need to spend on something that lasts a long time.

My MOTU 896mk3 lasted about 15 years or so, including a cross-country move and bringing it to gigs to run electronics through.

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

curried lamb of God posted:

I want to add 8 more line-ins to my interface (MOTU Ultralite AVB) - I'm going to use them for synths exclusively, no mics. The ADA8200 seems to be the go-to for this task, but I'd prefer to avoid buying Behringer if I can, and used units are pretty scarce right now. I've considered looking for older interfaces (MOTU 828 MK2, Saffire Pro 40), and there are plenty available in the $200 range. Is this a good idea, and are there any other options I should consider for $200-300?

edit: Primary use will be for jamming with the Ultralite's built-in mixer, not to record a bunch of stuff at once

i'm still using a saffire pro 40 and i've been happy enough in the 5 years i've had it that i've never felt the need to upgrade (although seeing the new focusrite software in that video up above definitely piqued my interest).

if you're not recording those channels, though, you could just pick up a mixer and send one through the other—i've got my saffire going through a 16-channel yamaha mixer to monitors, and when i have people over to jam on stuff i usually just plug them into the mixer instead of messing around in software to set levels and whatnot. it's way easier to have physical faders i can tweak in the middle of jamming, and the mixer has built-in reverb i can use to sweeten things as needed without digging around in a DAW. if you want the option to record just in case, you might even be able to find a mixer with s/pdif out and run that into the MOTU (although i've never tried to set something like that up, so idk how well it would work).

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



The third gen focusrites are usb-c, not micro. This is good because micro is hilariously terrible

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Achmed Jones posted:

The third gen focusrites are usb-c, not micro. This is good because micro is hilariously terrible

Oh weird. The first-gen just used good old chunky USB Type B.

chippy
Aug 16, 2006

OK I DON'T GET IT

Achmed Jones posted:

The third gen focusrites are usb-c, not micro. This is good because micro is hilariously terrible

People always say this and they hate on it in the e-reader thread too but I've never had a micro USB jack die on me, only a cable. And I've had several USB-C cables die on me too so personally I don't really see the difference.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



chippy posted:

I've never had a micro USB jack die on me

:luckyducky:

quote:

personally I don't really see the difference.
I've never had a pinto burst into flames on me but that doesn't mean I'm aching to buy one ;)

Realtalk USB-C is a different (but backwards compatible) protocol: in addition to a change in form factor it's also a change like the one from USB to USB2 and USB2 to USB3, plus it can deliver significantly more power than those. The 8i6 at least still needs DC-in though; not sure if it'd take all its power from the bus if I were using a C<->C cord but I'd guess not.

being able to take a direct usbc means that the hardware won't look old and out of date in a couple years. We're still transitioning to C now so most people still have A ports on their computer, but that'll go away as time passes and presumably focusrite will be selling these for the next few years. Micro is completely superseded by C because micro is just a tiny B, which generally means it can't go faster than USB3. Micro isn't half as fragile as mini though

Oh also the most important thing if you're a dumbass like me: there's no "backwards" on USBC :toot:

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d0grent
Dec 5, 2004

chippy posted:

People always say this and they hate on it in the e-reader thread too but I've never had a micro USB jack die on me, only a cable. And I've had several USB-C cables die on me too so personally I don't really see the difference.

bro imagine plugging in a usb cable on the first try every time

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