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i think matt's point is that video games are interactive rather than passive and also communal, which people invest their energy into instead of logging off and going outside to build solidarity. obviously, he's never experienced the camaraderie that's shared by a close knit elite team of trickshotters honing their craft.
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lol if you haven't grown closer as friends by getting your friends killed in PUBG.
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Jul 19, 2020 04:34
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So what would a fully developed video game industry be putting out?
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The creative peak of the video game industry was the golden age of adventure games, and Disco Elysium is the future we could have.
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Goast posted:those aren't the same thing for certain people it's absolutely a similar condition lol
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Being grill pilled means barbecuing with your friends and loved ones
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I Before E posted:The creative peak of the video game industry was the golden age of adventure games, and Disco Elysium is the future we could have. wrong, it's making gamers experience moral existentialism and self-sacrifice through the trojan horse of anime android butt
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I think fetishizing the military and police through all forms of media is the problem and boomers like to focus Video Games as the problem because they are jealous that we got such better video games. You can debate whether we had better TV, movies, fashion, or music, but we definitely had better video games
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NienNunb posted:Being grill pilled means barbecuing with your friends and loved ones BBQing is good but the patriarch as grill master Americana poo poo is bad. Standing in front of your hobby propane grill doesn’t take a community. Get a whole pig and feed your neighbors. That’s praxis right there. 
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in case Matt hasn't realized people shouldn't be going outside if they can avoid it
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Outside is fine as long as you keep your distance from others not from your household.
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I think what Matt is trying to say with getting grill pilled is to get offline and develop skills in real world that you feel will add value to your life and focus on forming communities that can affect change on the ground because you won't accomplish anything of meaning on the online space. This honestly seems to be completely detached from a reality where sharing video and information on social media allowed people to bypass a media information freezeout and led to one of the largest waves of civil unrest in United States history and had people storming police stations and burning them to the ground. I think his argument against this is that the protests fizzled out with no actual changes occurring because a lack of a mainstream organization or leader to take the head of the movement, which he attributes to everyone being too busy playing video games and dunking on people on Twitter to form one, therefor get off the internet and do it. I think this is a completely independent problem of the conditions of the average person just being good enough to prevent to formation of one and if conditions worsen something will materialize. Matt seems to see the failure of the Sanders campaign and the BLM protests as a failure of the online space, where I think it can be seen as the nascent seeds of the power of it. Maybe I'm misreading his position, but that is what I've gotten from his streams.
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The failure of the sanders campaign was going up against a massive media ecosystem and entrenched wealth. The odds were stacked against him and it was always going to be a long shot, if anything the internet has been a net positive force in spreading broadly left wing sentiment. God knows I probably would have been a Biden democrat had it not been for places like twitter or CSPAM. As a student of history with his drunk history episodes, he of all people should know just how entrenched the forces that want to preserve this system and are to what lengths they will go. They have all the money, all the control over mass media, all of the control over the police structures. The only thing we have is our ability to connect with people outside our immediate circles to organize, indeed it's the only way any of us arrived at our ideological positions in the first place.
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I enjoyed the ep and I'm glad they did a 180 from the Taibbi poo poo. I didn't like how they had a big bit about how the press doesn't actually wield any political power and fighting against the shitheads in it is boxing at shadows and then turn around in the second half and says "oh yeah the press can make or break a candidate". Like them saying "it wasn't the press, democrats were saying it too" for the war in Iraq case, the whole problem was that politicians and press became a self reinforcing cycle of everyone repeating the bullshit to each other until they all believed it. If the press had any integrity whatsoever that cycle breaks. I'm not sure where this "the press does nothing" idea is coming from... especially after the experience of framing the discussion and simply never platforming points of view that aren't "capitalism with fascist characteristics" and "fascism with capitalist characteristics".
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Fame Douglas posted:That's obviously untrue as well, unless you think the absolute mainstream is all that exists. Give us some examples
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Heath posted:Give us some examples Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Fortnight
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Jul 19, 2020 10:58
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Also the BLM protests are still going.
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Kunster posted:Also the BLM protests are still going. It was absolutely infuriating a few eps ago listening to Matt talk about how the protests had been completely subsumed by Lib poo poo like painting Black Lives Matter in front of Trump tower or just being about bad statues now and how the cops have learned to not be aggressive and let things peter out when the riots and protests have continued since and people are still being murdered and brutalized by the cops even in the last week. For someone constantly publicly ranting about the dangers of modern technology and social media, Matt (And all the Chapos to a lesser extent) sometimes gets to where he only takes in news from his friends online retweeting horrible lib-brain poo poo and what the dumbest pundits in the world are talking about and ignores anything else to be pessimistic.' That combined with his latest streams which are largely "Old Man Yells About New Fangled Contraptions and How They're the Root of the issue" really just feels like him falling into his old gripes since his last attempt at believing in something blew up. Which I get but his old gripes are just kind of banal or dumb as poo poo.
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Grammar-Bolshevik posted:So I see this as a bit of a Woke left vs dirtbag left, thing, it follows all the pattern, misrepresenting intentionally or just being bad at listening vs saying things of substance on slightly complex things. So does no one know of any really woke left content creators or do they just not really exist on the same scale?
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papa horny michael posted:His hours long edition rants are enjoyable to some here, but I've found them to be both boring and lack any grounding in the moment. I'd think it's likely due to their seeming enormous shock at the extent of the Bernard boondoggle. ZenMasterBullshit posted:It was absolutely infuriating a few eps ago listening to Matt talk about how the protests had been completely subsumed by Lib poo poo like painting Black Lives Matter in front of Trump tower or just being about bad statues now and how the cops have learned to not be aggressive and let things peter out when the riots and protests have continued since and people are still being murdered and brutalized by the cops even in the last week. Nothing against the guy, but I agree and never got the appeal of watching someone get day drunk and yell at their phone for an hour.
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OctoberCountry posted:Nothing against the guy, but I agree and never got the appeal of watching someone get day drunk and yell at their phone for an hour. I listen to them on my commute so for me its just talk radio
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Matt would be well served to take a 2 week break and write all this poo poo down into a coherent point.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It was absolutely infuriating a few eps ago listening to Matt talk about how the protests had been completely subsumed by Lib poo poo like painting Black Lives Matter in front of Trump tower or just being about bad statues now and how the cops have learned to not be aggressive and let things peter out when the riots and protests have continued since and people are still being murdered and brutalized by the cops even in the last week. The momentum of BLM does appear to have petered out some, and Lib co option is probably partly to blame, but there's still stuff happening, and it, or something like it, will probably flame up again. I do wonder if police de-escalation has also contributed to this, with the notably exception of Portland where Trump appears to be making a show of force. The Chapos have been disappointingly lukewarm on the protests; maybe it is too risky for them financially, or maybe the lesson they took from the Bernie blowout was to not get behind anything lest they get part of the blame/fallout, rather than just being more careful about what and how? I guess it's possible they don't feel very strongly about the BLM stuff, which would be disappointing, but expecting otherwise does border on weird para-social territory. It's probably just me, but I feel like political podcasts and online-drama is becoming less relevant and engaging. Hitching your horse to a hot topic might boost engagement, but I think we're seeing that there's also a cost once whatever it is blows over. The Chapos might be trying to build something more stable with long-term viability, or maybe they're just as burnt out as the rest of us, but trying to keep the wheels turning. I characterized this "falling into his old gripes" / retreat as being akin to the Lib wish for normality once before, and I stand by that; I feel like if Matt, and the rest of the Chapos, were "black-pilled" by Bernie as some people have suggested, they would be cheer-leading any form of resistance like I see other people who feel like they have nothing left to lose are doing.
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chapo in the pocket of...Big Cop?
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Fame Douglas posted:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare I meant non-mainstream things that you think illustrate your point
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thotsky posted:The momentum of BLM does appear to have petered out some, and Lib co option is probably partly to blame, but there's still stuff happening, and it, or something like it, will probably flame up again. I do wonder if police de-escalation has also contributed to this, with the notably exception of Portland where Trump appears to be making a show of force. i thought you stopped listening to chapo 3 weeks ago
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sexpig by night posted:chapo in the pocket of...Big Cop? I was thinking more along the lines being afraid that their patreon would get shut down for "encouraging violence" or something like that. You see a lot of self-policing by lefty/left-ish creators on twitch because it does not take much to lose your platform/livelihood. Phone posted:i thought you stopped listening to chapo 3 weeks ago Longer than that for the main show, with the exception of a partial listen to the lobster episode. I have been following the Matt streams though. thotsky fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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Jul 19, 2020 17:20
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this is the podcast thread for people who either don’t listen to the show but love to complain about it, or people who half listen to the show and constantly misrepresent it with the worst faith possible interpretations of the content
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THS posted:this is the podcast thread for people who either don’t listen to the show but love to complain about it, or people who half listen to the show and constantly misrepresent it with the worst faith possible interpretations of the content To my understanding this is how most chapo discussion works
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The only way you could really believe that the protests have petered put is if you only hear about them on the news and aren’t actually participating in them. The media has completely whited out around the protests where possible but in major cities they are getting bigger
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Jul 19, 2020 17:32
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THS posted:this is the podcast thread for people who either don’t listen to the show but love to complain about it, or people who half listen to the show and constantly misrepresent it with the worst faith possible interpretations of the content r/chapotraphouse lives
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It's going to get real old real quick to dismiss any negative reactions to the show as 'looks like r/chapotraphouse is leaking again  ', last week's Taibi episode got the blowback it did because it expressed a load of really stupid poo poo.That said, the people who dont actually listen to the show and continue commenting on it can shove off, please leave the endless griping to people who at least listen to it.
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Jul 19, 2020 17:52
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yeah i dont think any criticism is bad, the taibbi ep was indeed garbage, but there are also dumb takes that have little to do with the actual episode
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Bust Rodd posted:The only way you could really believe that the protests have petered put is if you only hear about them on the news and aren’t actually participating in them. The media has completely whited out around the protests where possible but in major cities they are getting bigger Awesome if that is true. I'm mostly judging by media presence and cool zone posting numbers, yes, but a bit difficult to do otherwise when you're in a different country. We had one protest over here and that was it.
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I live in downtown Long Beach California and there’s a protest like once or twice a week. They usually happen and are done pretty quick though. But as compared to the first week of protests it’s definitely quieted down a lot.
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the protests are more concentrated, but definitely larger. with Portland basically under a federally enforced curfew and martial law at this point
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thotsky posted:Awesome if that is true. I'm mostly judging by media presence and cool zone posting numbers, yes, but a bit difficult to do otherwise when you're in a different country. We had one protest over here and that was it. Of course you're not American, lol every time.
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