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C-Euro posted:They both suck rear end, the US has barely survived the last 12ish years of Republican presidents. If only a democrat had been elected somewhere in the middle of those 12 years of republican administration to undo the damage
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# ? Jul 17, 2020 11:58 |
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LastInLine posted:If only a democrat had been elected somewhere in the middle of those 12 years of republican administration to undo the damage Yeah it's a shame.
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# ? Jul 17, 2020 13:37 |
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Stringent posted:Fixed that for you. I mean, Clinton was awful and Carter was also a president of the United States so probably bad, but worse than Reagan and Nixon? Take me there.
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# ? Jul 17, 2020 13:46 |
Bush is responsible for 9/11 and the transition to overt fascism in the us, a few genocides, starting a multigenerational omni-war in the middle east, killing any possibility of mitigating climate change when it would have been possible, and crashing the economy for disaster capitalists to steal resources, which is bad. Trump is responsible for murdering a few hundred thousand to a few million americans (eventually), reducing the capability of the us to project power, and possibly the destruction of america, which is good.
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# ? Jul 17, 2020 13:52 |
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docbeard posted:I mean, Clinton was awful and Carter was also a president of the United States so probably bad, but worse than Reagan and Nixon? Take me there. It was the Carter administration that effectively hamstrung any notion of the Democratic party continuing even a halfhearted defense of the American worker against capital. Carter's nominee to the Fed chairmanship famously said, "The standard of living of the average American has to decline." and the Carter administration went cheerfully about making that happen. Once Clinton rolled in he of course delivered the coup de grace with NAFTA, the crime bill and all the other means tested entitlement cuts and austerity we all know and love, but he was really just following the game plan that Carter laid out in his administration. Reagan and Nixon were never anything other than servants of capital and the MIC. They never made any bones about it, you got what was on the label. It was Carter and Clinton that sold out any notion of representation for working people at the national level, all while lying through their teeth about whose interests they were in fact serving. That makes them far worse to my mind.
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 07:07 |
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Edit: ^^^docbeard posted:I mean, Clinton was awful and Carter was also a president of the United States so probably bad, but worse than Reagan and Nixon? Take me there. Nixon: Established EPA Ended Vietnam Wanted universal healthcare and UBI Reagan: Terrible in every way --- Carter: Ramped up and funded genocide in East Timor Clinton: Accomplished almost every republican policy goal of the post-Soviet era Eliminated welfare 1994 crime bill/"three strikes" Campaigned on stopping NAFTA and immediately signed it Poisoned the well on healthcare for twenty years Repealed Glass-Steagall Clinton was more or less turbo Reagan minus the deficit spending. Hell, I'll defend Nixon as the best post war president, not that it's a high bar to clear. He might've been a terrible person who was extremely racist but he accomplished good things for the wrong reasons.
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 14:45 |
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docbeard posted:I mean, Clinton was awful and Carter was also a president of the United States so probably bad, but worse than Reagan and Nixon? Take me there. Liberal poster. Stringent posted:It was the Carter administration that effectively hamstrung any notion of the Democratic party continuing even a halfhearted defense of the American worker against capital. Carter's nominee to the Fed chairmanship famously said, "The standard of living of the average American has to decline." and the Carter administration went cheerfully about making that happen. Once Clinton rolled in he of course delivered the coup de grace with NAFTA, the crime bill and all the other means tested entitlement cuts and austerity we all know and love, but he was really just following the game plan that Carter laid out in his administration. Socialist poster Don’t fall for the propaganda!
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 15:18 |
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C-Euro posted:They both suck rear end, the US has barely survived the last 12ish years of Republican presidents. we've only had republican presidents since carter, op also lmao dubya is responsible for poo poo like the hurricane katrina response, his domestic policy was very very visible
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 19:34 |
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We never talk about how HW was head of the CIA and then became President.
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 19:37 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:We never talk about how HW was head of the CIA and then became President. or how Zapata Oil was a CIA front quote:The company traces its origins to Zapata Petroleum Corporation, founded in 1953 by future U.S. President George H. W. Bush, along with his business partners John Overbey, Hugh Liedtke, Bill Liedtke, and Thomas J. Devine. Overbey was a "landman" skilled in scouting oil fields and obtaining drilling rights cheaply. Bush and Thomas J. Devine were oil-wildcatting associates.[5][better source needed] Their joint activities culminated in the establishment of Zapata Oil.[6] The company was named for Viva Zapata!, a 1952 biographical film starring Marlon Brando as Mexican revolutionary Emiliano Zapata.[7] The initial $1 million investment for Zapata was provided by the Liedtke brothers and their circle of investors, by Bush's father Prescott Bush and his maternal grandfather George Herbert Walker, and their family's circle of friends. Hugh Liedtke was named president, Bush was vice president; Overbey soon left.
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 19:46 |
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The Pussy Boss posted:lol at trying to pin all the corona deaths on Trump. You think we get a national lockdown and massive government assistance under President Hillary Clinton, or [insert corporate-owned Democrat here]? Everyone wears masks and stays home in peace and harmony and we come together as a country to defeat the pandemic? lol nope. somehow all the other neoliberal countries dont have such bad outbreaks. this is certainly a case where trumps complete incompetence has had a very negative effect. also the only reason things got so bad with iran was trump breaking the iran deal. cant give him too much credit for chickening out at the very end
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 19:58 |
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we really lucked out with trump being such a cowardly bitch tho. a little more backbone and i think we would have seen bloodshed on a scale never seen before
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 20:33 |
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Trump has been bad even before covid. Hth you fuckers
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 20:52 |
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Paranoid Peanut posted:Trump has been bad even before covid. Hth you fuckers sure, but is he worse than bush the lesser? clearly not
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 21:15 |
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LastInLine posted:Clinton:
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 22:34 |
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babypolis posted:also the only reason things got so bad with iran was trump breaking the iran deal. cant give him too much credit for chickening out at the very end npr basically called trump a pussy for not bombing iran when he called off the military strikes
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 22:36 |
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i wouldnt give nixon credit for ending the vietnam war, since nixon publicly announced a massive expansion of the vietnam war in contradiction to his campaign promises, which resulted in mass nationwide student riots and burning down rotc buildings which ended up in the national guard and cops murdering students at kent state and other locations
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 22:39 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:We never talk about how HW was head of the CIA and then became President. I love to bring it up, it's really hosed up.
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# ? Jul 18, 2020 23:35 |
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babypolis posted:somehow all the other neoliberal countries dont have such bad outbreaks. this is certainly a case where trumps complete incompetence has had a very negative effect. It's not Trump, it's our population. If Hillary had been president we'd have just as many people not wearing masks
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 01:07 |
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Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 01:12 |
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mlyp
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 02:24 |
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Algund Eenboom posted:Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush just because you keep repeating it won't make it true
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 02:44 |
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absolutely pathetic
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 02:52 |
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mlyp
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 03:11 |
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blink twice if you're being held hostage by rachel maddow algund
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 03:12 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G92AB8ZG7xY New rule! Algund Eenboom posted:Donald Trump is worse than George W. Bush
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 03:30 |
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comedyblissoption posted:i wouldnt give nixon credit for ending the vietnam war, since nixon publicly announced a massive expansion of the vietnam war in contradiction to his campaign promises, which resulted in mass nationwide student riots and burning down rotc buildings which ended up in the national guard and cops murdering students at kent state and other locations I would agree with this on the basis that it's not like it was possible to further pretend we were going to win in Vietnam. The thing that makes me still give Nixon credit is that we passed that point a long time ago in Afghanistan and Iraq and we're still there. I'll reiterate that I don't believe Nixon to have been a good man, I simply give him credit for having done some good things for bad reasons. Also thanks for the reminders of all the other bad things Clinton did. I can't believe I forgot Kosovo.
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 11:28 |
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Compromise position: Nixon was better than Obama.
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 11:38 |
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Stringent posted:Compromise position: Nixon was better than Obama. nixon was worse because of pinochet, reprisal bombing campaigns against vietnamese, hating paul newman, supporting israel as a client state of america, codified race based voting, began to dismantle the usps, had a dog named checkers (???) and in general was what a trump administration would look like with any shred of competency
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 12:22 |
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comedyblissoption posted:democrats also almost unanimously voted to sanction iran in violation of the deal during the trump administration and probably want to bomb iran as much as john bolton Trump calling off strikes on Iran due to proportionality and civilian casualties is, and I cannot stress this enough, loving UNPRECEDENTED in like 40+ years of US foreign policy? Nixon put Kissinger in the white house, and for that alone he deserves eternal damnation.
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 12:26 |
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Orange Devil posted:Trump calling off strikes on Iran due to proportionality and civilian casualties is, and I cannot stress this enough, loving UNPRECEDENTED in like 40+ years of US foreign policy?
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 12:59 |
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Trump vetoed Bernie Sanders bill to stop funding the Yemeni genocide. That's pretty bad
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 16:19 |
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I think we can all agree that the best president was David Rice Atchison (in that he (a) was president for only a day and (b) was probably not technically the president at all).
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 17:14 |
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Terror Sweat posted:Trump vetoed Bernie Sanders bill to stop funding the Yemeni genocide. That's pretty bad
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# ? Jul 19, 2020 23:06 |
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comedyblissoption posted:democrats also almost unanimously voted to sanction iran in violation of the deal during the trump administration and probably want to bomb iran as much as john bolton iirc that was because it somehow got entangled with some dumb russiagate bs. still pretty bad ofc, but id wager most dems supported the iran deal and there wouldnt be a raeson to mess around with it in a hillary presidency Jewel Repetition posted:It's not Trump, it's our population. If Hillary had been president we'd have just as many people not wearing masks thats after 3 years of being emboldened by trump tho. now you could say that 3 years of hillary hate gets the same result, and you could be right, but i dont think covid turns into a whole cultural issue without trump. all of this is a reaction to how mismanaged everything has been, trying to minimize the problem, imo
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 00:02 |
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the girth of trump's incompetence penetrates the sinister depths of bush2's admin ted cruz raises his head and lets out a squeaky moan
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 00:07 |
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babypolis posted:but i dont think covid turns into a whole cultural issue without trump lol someone forgot freedom fries
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 00:11 |
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Stringent posted:Compromise position: Nixon was better than Obama. i'll one up you here: hoover was better than obama
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 00:41 |
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babypolis posted:thats after 3 years of being emboldened by trump tho. now you could say that 3 years of hillary hate gets the same result, and you could be right, but i dont think covid turns into a whole cultural issue without trump. all of this is a reaction to how mismanaged everything has been, trying to minimize the problem, imo That really sums up half the problem right there. Liberals are so out of touch with the population at large they honestly believe that Trump is driving all this stuff on the right instead of just reflecting it. There is a very literal one to one correlation between MSNBC and Fox News in that the people who listen to them do not listen to anything else, not even their own lived experience of the world.
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 01:45 |
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Stringent posted:That really sums up half the problem right there. Liberals are so out of touch with the population at large they honestly believe that Trump is driving all this stuff on the right instead of just reflecting it. There is a very literal one to one correlation between MSNBC and Fox News in that the people who listen to them do not listen to anything else, not even their own lived experience of the world. i dont think ive ever watched msnbc in my life so i have no idea what the gently caress you are going on about here its entirely possible people would just respond to a mask mandate from a clinton presidency with the same idiotic cries of tyranny out of a purely reactionary sentiment, but they also would have no incentive to minimize the scale of the problem. this is all conjecture of course so who the gently caress knows
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