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gradenko_2000 posted:That's also another thing that was identified in copaganda: we did have a period in television where defense attorneys were the protagonists of TV shows, until the shift in the 90s (especially with the "law" half of Law & Order) to where prosecutors become the good guys. family law and judging amy were both really good shows that got away from the ripped from the headlines murder crap and really dove into more ambiguous styled adversarial lawyer drama even episodes that got into hot button issues like abortion were more about the hosed up ways laws tend to be written and how this screws with people in ways that were obviously unintended theres one brutal one where a woman who was raped is trying to give the baby up for adoption but since the guy plea bargained to a charge thats not technically rape he ends up trying to sue for paternity thats right its me im the guy whos still angry that the practice ended up becoming the archetypal defense attorney drama because never mind the constant hand wringing about the lawyers being monstrous for defending bad people david kelley obviously didnt know a single goddamned thing about how the law actually works
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's also another thing that was identified in copaganda: we did have a period in television where defense attorneys were the protagonists of TV shows, until the shift in the 90s (especially with the "law" half of Law & Order) to where prosecutors become the good guys. And there was the accompanying coding of Internal Affairs as these obnoxious assholes who are just trying to get in the way of our Good Cops, unable to appreciate how tough it is "out on the street".
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Some Guy TT posted:that haemi isnt dead she just split because she was being hunted down by loan sharks this extremely plausible possibility is explicitly brought up and in addition to fitting with her character and lifestyle it also explains why no one wants to talk to jongsu about it because for all they know hes working for them yeah i thought it was deliberate that haemi had just left to go on her next trip or something, that she was this kind of transient party girl who jongsu just poured all of this poo poo into and made stuff up in his head like a day dreaming loser then all the stuff with ben is similar, where he's inventing a story around him based on all of these really limited and not at all indicatory "clues" (e.g. the hair ties or watches or whatever he finds in the bathroom...... i can't remember) but i took the ending that whether ben is a devious sex trafficking sociopath or just some rich gently caress who jongsu invents a bunch of stuff about, the aggrievement jongsu feels toward him is very real, and in a class war way the poor/downwardly will exact their revenge (or desire to) whether their fantasies about the rich are true or not idk that was my take after seeing it, but it's been almost 2 years now, would love to see it again because the mood it builds after haemi disappears and you don't know what is going on (e.g. her cat) was so good
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I think Rectify was one of the top 10 shows of the 2010's, and that is a stacked category. I don't regret the time I spent watching Rectify over the years it was airing. It was a beautiful loving show. But I won't recommend it to people and I'll never rewatch it again because I'm still pissed that they never resolved the mystery. I'll never stop being upset about that. What would it have hurt? I never got around to finishing the show, but it seems like having a definitive answer would alter the way you see the main character. The ambiguity is kind of a big aspect of the show. I don't know, I've only seen the first season, and it's been awhile, but the details of the murder case seemed pretty beside the point.
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mysterious frankie posted:Finally done with Cerebus. Woof. The tediousness increases in tandem with the insanity. Where would you say is the right place to stop?
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sebmojo posted:Where would you say is the right place to stop? Depends. Church & State is the last time the story has relentless momentum. Jaka’s Story is where he begins his serious flirtation with interspersing good comic with lousy prose. It’s still engaging at this point. Melmoth is ok. You could stop here, but: Mothers & Daughters is a 50 issue arc (151-200) that closes up the main story (Sim himself describes the last hundred issues as a denouement, and 201-300 do seem less about building out any sort of serious plot, and more about driving home his point that all women are awful, icky and ruin everything, challenging other artists to boxing matches, and outlining his new Chrewuslim all-in-one Abrahamic religion). This is where he drops the pretense and pretty much lays out his misogynist, er anti-feminist, manifesto during the Reads chapter (I’d skip all the prose in Reads, except for the Viktor Davis light and void screed. It’s quite the thing to behold and becomes kinda funny when you start counting how many times Sim has his badass transgressive standin smoke, smirk and laugh patronizingly at his captive audience. It’s highly jokerfied.) If you want some kind of closure end there. If you don’t want to deal with him going full on mgtow, stop before Mothers & Daughters. If you want to see the end of the “main” story, finish Mothers & Daughters, but feel free to skip most text blocks. And if you got time to kill read 201-300. There’s some extremely weird stuff there, but it is the unedited ramblings of a madman beholden to no one, so it’s also exhausting.
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Fleetwood posted:Columbo is the only one I can think of who always goes against the circumstantial evidence Columbo is an incredibly dirty cop, always a complete rear end in a top hat. It's a good thing he only uses those skills on the rich.
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It's super cool how hbo rebooted perry mason but this time he isn't a defense attorney and he screams at his ex wife over the telephone. (And just flops over like a source engine ragdoll when having sex)
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Stairmaster posted:It's super cool how hbo rebooted perry mason but this time he isn't a defense attorney and he screams at his ex wife over the telephone. (And just flops over like a source engine ragdoll when having sex) So it’s good?
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Stairmaster posted:It's super cool how hbo rebooted perry mason but this time he isn't a defense attorney and he screams at his ex wife over the telephone. (And just flops over like a source engine ragdoll when having sex) you clearly didn’t watch the show. John lithgow dies halfway through and Perry takes over as the defense attorney. you moron. you jackass. you illiterate cad.
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Jul 21, 2020 06:28
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also Perry Mason is the best show on television in a very long time
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Still wondering why imdb hates it; also stocking up episodes of it to watch, good to hear praise.
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it’s a modern day LA Noire, give or take. I grew up with Mickey Spillane dime novels and A Nero Wolfe Mystery on A&E before they became a reality show dumpster. it’s well acted and not brainless, there’s a good mix of race and class war at work.
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I like Perry Mason a lot. This is the first I've heard of people not liking it.
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it is an incredibly well produced show that nails the aesthetics and soundtrack, as someone very familiar with noir tropes, I can start to understand the backlash, but this is actual cinematic comfort food compared to the vast majority of trash dumped on modern audiences
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perry mason as class conscious noir is kind of baffling to me because neither the original perry mason tv show nor the eighties tv movie revival was noir by any stretch of the imagination they were just straightforward detective mysteries except the title character was a defense attorney as opposed to a detective
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Taintrunner posted:then watch the trailer for the new show because it absolutely leans into it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cwKTtWV7DMthat ngl this looks really good
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Some Guy TT posted:perry mason as class conscious noir is kind of baffling to me because neither the original perry mason tv show nor the eighties tv movie revival was noir by any stretch of the imagination they were just straightforward detective mysteries except the title character was a defense attorney as opposed to a detective Erle Stanley Gardner wrote, according to Wikipedia, something along the lines of 80 books from 33-73 starring Mason. Just going off the quotes in the main article he would be seen as heroic because he took the cases of the downtrodden and preconvicted by society and fought hard, going as far as doing his own detective work when the police failed, because he legitimately believed it was key to maintaining a democratic society. In America at least, it’s a stereotype that you’re hosed in court as the defendant if there’s any doubt to your innocence and you don’t have money for a high profile defense attorney, because justice costs $$$. Mason was a great lawyer that trucked exclusively with clientele who couldn’t otherwise afford someone of his caliber. I know nothing about the book series, so I can’t say if it was noir, but I’m guessing not, since it’s about an emblem of justice in an unjust world and not, like, a hitman trying to dispose of the corpse of his bosses wife after he accidentally kills her, or something along those lines.
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grate deceiver posted:It's so good. The cops are scumbags and lazy dumbasses basically bullying village idiots into confession. the word you're looking for is torture
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Taintrunner posted:you clearly didn’t watch the show. John lithgow dies halfway through and Perry takes over as the defense attorney. you moron. you jackass. you illiterate cad. the first episode sucked dick so i didnt watch any further.
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bong joon-Ho can't help but make song kang-Ho likable even when he's coercing confessions for days on end. you just love the guy
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Once the series is over I will watch Perry Mason and then tell you all what I think. I’m sure this promise has caused a few of you to want to hold on a little longer. Anyone watching the new season of Suicide Squad? If so, does it maintain the level of quality from season one?
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gradenko_2000 posted:ngl this looks really good it's boring
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I'm just glad they removed the d&d ep of community drow erasure is insanely pernicious
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i should clarify that when i call the new perry mason baffling i mean its so ridiculously off brand its not at all clear to me why they chose this particular character to build the story around especially when theres an entire genre of famous noir detectives that would make a great deal more sense adaptationwise it would be like rebooting little orphan annie but the actual plot is just oliver twist with the name changed my guess is the people who made it realized they had the rights to the perry mason character and decided they could grab more attention as a reboot than as an original story completely ignoring the fact that anyone checking in because of the brand name will be annoyed as hell because its a completely different kind of genre fiction than what the brand name is implying
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Some Guy TT posted:i should clarify that when i call the new perry mason baffling i mean its so ridiculously off brand its not at all clear to me why they chose this particular character to build the story around especially when theres an entire genre of famous noir detectives that would make a great deal more sense adaptationwise it would be like rebooting little orphan annie but the actual plot is just oliver twist with the name changed I wanna say it might have been to get the attention of 30 somethings who remember Perry Mason as an old person show. When I heard about it I was like “wait, they made a stylish period crime show... about that lawyer character that was on the uhf channels when I was little?” It’s a memory on the periphery of my consciousness, something I never watched and associate with lame stuff I avoided as a child, and when I saw the commercial it caused me to look it up and see that it’s based on a long running series of books, which I never knew, so now I want to know more. Sort of clever if so, or my brain is melted if not.
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It's probably literally just slapping a familiar name on a dark and edgy show The modern Perry Mason is Phoenix Wright
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The modern Perry Mason is Phoenix Wright I like that take!
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mysterious frankie posted:Once the series is over I will watch Perry Mason and then tell you all what I think. I’m sure this promise has caused a few of you to want to hold on a little longer. Do you mean the Harley Quinn cartoon or Doom Patrol? I Love Loosies has issued a correction as of 09:44 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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mysterious frankie posted:I like that take! I don't think it's meant to be subtle. The latest game also specifically has the prosecutor's office having a staff shortage because Edgeworth has had to fire at least half of them to even start reform
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Joaquin Phoenix movie inspires hostage taking (not Joker) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ukraine-hostage-standoff-ends-after-president-promotes-joaquin-phoenix-film/ar-BB171HxL?li=BBnb7Kz
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coathat posted:Joaquin Phoenix movie inspires hostage taking (not Joker) i will take one hostage each day until my phone is capable of loving me then leaving me for a smarter phone also the elimination of all belts
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's probably literally just slapping a familiar name on a dark and edgy show So is it good or not? Thor's implies it is
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I Love Loosies posted:Do you mean the Harley Quinn cartoon or Doom Patrol? Crap, meant Doom Patrol. Haven’t seen the Harley Quinn show, or Suicide Squad for that matter. Ghost Leviathan posted:I don't think it's meant to be subtle. I’ve never seen the old or new Perry Mason shows, or read the books. My Perry Mason knowledge is remembering it was on syndication way up the dial when I was single digits, and the stuff I read on Wikipedia. For that matter I don’t think I know that much about Phoenix Wright. I don’t know much, is my point.
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mysterious frankie posted:Crap, meant Doom Patrol. Haven’t seen the Harley Quinn show, or Suicide Squad for that matter. Also if you like Venture Bros. check out Harley Quinn. There is a lot of cursing/ultraviolence that put me of at first but it gets less or i just got used to it.
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I Love Loosies posted:Also if you like Venture Bros. check out Harley Quinn. There is a lot of cursing/ultraviolence that put me of at first but it gets less or i just got used to it. It's really good and has one of the best side characters, King Shark. Dr. Killjoy posted:Harley Quinn had a fun ep where a villain who becomes a series regular gets cancelled but he's still portrayed as an unsympathetic worm with little redeeming qualities The best part is that even Darkseid thought what he went too far
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