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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Remember when you didn't need a passport to go to Mexico? That was one of the great tourist attractions for the border communities in the 80s/90s - you could go to Reynosa/Progresso/Juarez, party it up (to put it mildly) and stumble back across no questions asked.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Remember when you didn't need a passport to go to Mexico? That's a 9.11 thing
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It's a lot like the kinda hopeless feeling of a single-party country, except there is a faint light of possible change in the darkness, but that little light of hope has to maintain solidarity with the national party that has its own skeletons in its closet and its own druthers about fully embracing democracy because it has its own areas where it only keeps its hold with the same institutional inertia. Both parties poo poo their pants at the prospect of infiltration by new groups of people with new ideas that are normally systematically disenfranchised by the two-party system, except the Republicans already were successfully hijacked by the Tea Party, so the Democrats have enough warning to keep their defenses up. I think Texas also has a lot of Libertarians, because libertarianism plays into the story that Texans like to tell themselves about being independent instead of loyal dogs of the party. I guess the hopelessness of single-party politics also draws people to hopeless third parties.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOnbbI5KvFo
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Out of curiosity reindeerf, where in Texas do you live? I went to high school in southeast Houston near the border with Pearland and Pasadena during Obama’s first term, school was about two thirds Hispanic (overwhelmingly Mexican, even mix of long standing residents and more recent immigrants), and the rest split evenly between Asian (Vietnamese with Indians a distant second), black, and white (maybe tilting towards Asian). I wouldn’t say that they all loved Obama but I can’t think of any people of color I went to school with who like Republicans in 2020, 2016 was a very rude awakening for a bunch of them. Edit: Obama’s first, not second term lol
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Jul 21, 2020 21:01
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Based on that link it was only 18% of Hispanics who voted Republican in 2016
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Jul 21, 2020 21:05
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My opinion is that this cycle is so weird there aren't really going to be many applicable lessons or indicators or policy strategies for a future election, and whatever happens, no matter if the Dems tsunami the GOP out of both houses and the oval, that they will lose both chambers in 2022. My correct opinion is that this will lead to 3.25 years of incorrect election post-mortem punditry takes just like after 2016. The lesson of 2016 is, oh wow people really loving hated Hillary Clinton, and for all the TV hours and column inches between Nov. 4 and the 2024 primaries that will be devoted to diagnosing and explaining the various policy implications and demographic shifts and states going this way or that, the lesson of 2020 is going to be, oh wow people really loving hated Donald Trump.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Out of curiosity reindeerf, where in Texas do you live? I went to high school in southeast Houston near the border with Pearland and Pasadena during Obama’s second term, school was about two thirds Hispanic (overwhelmingly Mexican, even mix of long standing residents and more recent immigrants), and the rest split evenly between Asian (Vietnamese with Indians a distant second), black, and white (maybe tilting towards Asian). I wouldn’t say that they all loved Obama but I can’t think of any people of color I went to school with who like Republicans in 2020, 2016 was a very rude awakening for a bunch of them. I was trying to be very careful not to say all minorities or people of color, I think it's a big mistake to view folks that way and the studies about Texas politics bear this out. It's very specific in my mind to multi-generational latino families who have made money and to older Asian immigrants. I have no opinion about second generation children of Asian immigrants, and we kind of have to cleave the Subcontinent from East Asia, anyway, there because it's distinct. I've spent the last 14 years in East Asia and it's like comparing the US to continental Europe for lack of a better metaphor. Black people are pretty much the only minority here that seem to vote as an absolute block statistically - well, not absolute, but drat near. Of my latino friends who are vocal Republicans, it's all across the board. Some grew up in trailer homes in the middle of nowhere with hard-working families and did well in information technology. Some grew up in single family ranch homes and went into the military. Some grew up in multiracial families in the Coastal Bend and had family money already. Across-the-board, they are vocal Republicans and Trump supporters, and not just the people I know but the people I run into on local groups on Facebook and things. Their children are police, they are firefighters, they work at the chemical plant, etc, and they talk exactly like any old school, you know, angry white man voter. In a sense it's kind of a positive thing, because it means this group of people feel like they're part of the whole deal. They don't feel like outsiders. Unfortunately being part of the deal right now means riding with Hitler. Anyway, the statistics on latino voters are pretty solid, but my personal stories are nothing more than anecdotal, so who knows, heh.
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zoux posted:That's a 9.11 thing It is later than that - I went as Freshmen in college in 2004 - cost a quarter to cross the bridge, no passport
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Out of curiosity reindeerf, where in Texas do you live? I went to high school in southeast Houston near the border with Pearland and Pasadena during Obama’s first term, school was about two thirds Hispanic (overwhelmingly Mexican, even mix of long standing residents and more recent immigrants), and the rest split evenly between Asian (Vietnamese with Indians a distant second), black, and white (maybe tilting towards Asian). I wouldn’t say that they all loved Obama but I can’t think of any people of color I went to school with who like Republicans in 2020, 2016 was a very rude awakening for a bunch of them. How was Dobie High School?
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I hope that in 2023 there's a strong intra-party primary challenge against Biden or whoever succeeded him as president after he died in office. It's fully possible that Republicans may go through another wild and crazy shift where they end up being not the enemies of all humanity, but I wouldn't exactly hold my breath. If Donald Trump gets a second term, there won't be a 2024.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Out of curiosity reindeerf, where in Texas do you live? I went to high school in southeast Houston near the border with Pearland and Pasadena during Obama’s first term, school was about two thirds Hispanic (overwhelmingly Mexican, even mix of long standing residents and more recent immigrants), and the rest split evenly between Asian (Vietnamese with Indians a distant second), black, and white (maybe tilting towards Asian). I wouldn’t say that they all loved Obama but I can’t think of any people of color I went to school with who like Republicans in 2020, 2016 was a very rude awakening for a bunch of them. Nevermind, he already beat me to a response and said what I was going to say.
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/\/\ Yeah, to reiterate, I specifically said older Asian immigrants and multi-generational latinos who have made money. This doesn't nearly represent *all* but it's very much a non-zero contingent. EDIT: I guess in case it's not clear, I also didn't remotely mean "everything in this group" - I believe I said "as much as any other voter" or something. Sab0921 posted:It is later than that - I went as Freshmen in college in 2004 - cost a quarter to cross the bridge, no passport I know you can still go with one of those fancy new driver's licenses. I forget what they're called. Just get a passport! ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Pretty much all my Hispanic boomer in-laws, who have been exactly the kind of "Texan Republic Latinos who have made money" that another poster mentioned, will be switching this year. They loathe the Democrats with a passion but have been on the receiving end of racism just once too often, recently. Weirdly, they also would have preferred Bernie, despite being extremely-vocally anti-socialist because of his outsider credentials. Utterly anecdotal I know, but that's been my observation over the last couple of months.
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Disnesquick posted:Pretty much all my Hispanic boomer in-laws, who have been exactly the kind of "Texan Republic Latinos who have made money" that another poster mentioned, will be switching this year. They loathe the Democrats with a passion but have been on the receiving end of racism just once too often, recently. Weirdly, they also would have preferred Bernie, despite being extremely-vocally anti-socialist because of his outsider credentials.
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Sab0921 posted:How was Dobie High School? Lol I suppose I doxxed myself, not too many high schools in the area with that particular makeup. I won’t say what activities I joined in high school out of fear of someone finding me out, but I liked it well enough. I’m glad they built the ninth grade center recently, 4000 students was pushing the limit I wasn’t coming after you or anything reindeer, I just hadn’t seen the attitude you talked about, but those specific demographics I’m not super familiar with, as it’s a solidly lower middle class/working class area and dealing with my dad (older Asian Trump voter  although at least the rest of the family hates him for it) is enough, so I was wondering if the geography had anything to do with it.
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Yeah, I hope I didn't sound defensive. I just know how easy it is to get pigeonholed. And especially I mean honestly overseas we don't really care so much about all the cleaving of tiny distinctions that are important over here so it's easy for me to just say something blunt that would be perfectly okay talking between cultures somewhere else that over here carries a lot of connotation that is not intended. Dobie lol. Where 13th grade is the plant.
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Sab0921 posted:It is later than that - I went as Freshmen in college in 2004 - cost a quarter to cross the bridge, no passport It was in 2009, that's just how long it took to get implemented. The real ID act was a 9/11 thing that just went into effect like this year
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I've always been told not to get the card passport since it won't be honored at flight terminals
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Disnesquick posted:Weirdly, they also would have preferred Bernie, despite being extremely-vocally anti-socialist because of his outsider credentials. Not super weird at all. You see it a lot - people think they're anti-socialist when they think it means "take my money and give me nothing in return". They tend to come around when someone actually talks about the government also doing something for them, even the bare minimum stuff every other oecd nation gets.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Not super weird at all. You see it a lot - people think they're anti-socialist when they think it means "take my money and give me nothing in return". They tend to come around when someone actually talks about the government also doing something for them, even the bare minimum stuff every other oecd nation gets. It has nothing to do with that. It's just that establishment politicians hate him
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If I won the lottery I would put millions of dollars into a campaign to get Texas ranked choice voting. I honestly think that one change would be a great strike against the two party system which has done us so much wrong, as third parties would have a meaningful chance. There's be an enormous amount of inertia behind the two main parties obviously, and overcoming that would be a massive challenge even with ranked choice voting, but it would still open up some real possibilities.
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Sardonik posted:If I won the lottery I would put millions of dollars into a campaign to get Texas ranked choice voting. I honestly think that one change would be a great strike against the two party system which has done us so much wrong, as third parties would have a meaningful chance. There's be an enormous amount of inertia behind the two main parties obviously, and overcoming that would be a massive challenge even with ranked choice voting, but it would still open up some real possibilities. We should work on getting a 2nd party in Texas first before we go all nuts with the Constitutional Carry Free Soil Party (who will control the speakership in the universe of ranked choice voting).
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ranked choice voting owns and balkanizing republicans into parties that would be more ideologically honest is a straight-up good thing
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We would have the Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Democratic Socialists of Texas, gently caress those guys with beards of Texas, The Red Guard, the People's Front of Texas, the Texan People's Front,
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Wish me luck - I'm back on the job search (contract ends in December, but realized today I should start looking now) - something in health/social service state policy or a lege office that cares about those issues at all. I'm on a health policy project independent of my job, so I kind of need the next place to be cool with that. Also, I now have my wife's health insurance instead of my job's HMO, so anything is possible! I'm already on Texas Political Jobs and Christine's List, but the pickings are slim outside of election work. Mistaken Frisbee fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Sab0921 posted:We would have the Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Democratic Socialists of Texas, gently caress those guys with beards of Texas, The Red Guard, the People's Front of Texas, the Texan People's Front, Don't forget about the Greens like everyone else does!
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Sab0921 posted:The Red Guard, Pretty sure the cops would just vote Republican.
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yellowyams posted:regarding texas turning blue, my polsci teacher said that people who are born in and live their whole life in texas tend to be more likely to vote democrat but even more likely to not vote at all and people who move in from out of state are both more likely to vote republican and also much more likely to vote in general. i don't know how true that is and i'm sure it's way different depending on which part of the state you're in but it does align with my anecdotal experience so i can believe it. it's kind of hard to blame texans for not voting when you look at texas dems though. also wasn't there a whole redistricting controversy that happened many years ago to keep dems from ever regaining much power? seems like the kind of thing demographics alone wouldn't be able to overcome. that checks out based on the exit polls when beto ran against cruz
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ReindeerF posted:I don't know DHR specifically, but problems with availability of care in the Valley are very real. Unfortunately that makes it a good place for fraudulent administrators and practitioners. The thing specifically about DHR Health (Doctor's Hospital at Renaissance) is that it's supposed to be a hospital run by doctors. The reality is that the hospital has always been founded by the Alonzo Cantu of which he is on the board for DHR. That family are the power and money behind a shitload of things down here. Their construction company, Cantu Construction, built those hospital buildings and surrounding areas, their banks, Lone Star National Bank, has been the way it was financed along with other countless projects in the RGV. He owns the the local pro soccer team, and majority stake in Rocket's farm team the Vipers. Whenever a Democrat candidate comes down here, or a large enough profile Republican, they visit him and his family for sizable donations. The guy just became a new regent for U of H! Sorry getting a bit off track, the main thing is DHR is a loving scam as far as being a hospital providing care anyone I have ever known that has worked there, been provided care, has shared it being one of the more miserable experiences of their lives/careers as far as work environments, upward mobility, safe for women etc etc etc. With that kind of money currently in that hospital's pockets they have bought out a fluff piece for the Texas Tribune, and The Monitor. All to deflect that they, admittedly not the only hospital, are utterly failing at taking care of patients while also still trying to make money on the side with elective surgeries. (article featured in the "Must Read" column, but also in tiny letters of "sponsored content") Annnnd now the url doesn't work, the story was taken down. https://twitter.com/shesinscrubs/status/1285726555075903493 July 2nd Texas Tribune article https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/02/texas-coronavirus-hospital-rio-grande-valley/ https://twitter.com/shesinscrubs/status/1285668767926816768 Jiro fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jiro posted:RGV / DHR stuff. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jiro posted:effortpost Eye-opening stuff. Thanks for taking the time.
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ReindeerF posted:This is the kind of local reporting we need. Thank you for replying in detail, I genuinely appreciate it. No problem, the Cantus are sort of a sore spot for me, they operate by and large legitimately but they have the feel of Clintons by skirting the law just enough that it should be illegal but it's not. Oh yeah while at work one of my regulars who works the front desk of DHR confirmed that it's as bad as those anonymous tweets claim. No O2 coming out of the walls, a large amount of staff contracted to work there from NYC that are freaking the gently caress out as to the working conditions. PLUS a huge reason why it hasn't been reported negatively is that Alonzo Cantu is on an Abbott appointed board that brings him a potential ton of cash, but if it got out that his hospital has been treating patients like dog poo poo it will come back onto Abbott. https://www.themonitor.com/2020/04/17/local-construction-magnate-selected-abbotts-council-reopen-state/
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SlothfulCobra posted:I think Texas also has a lot of Libertarians, because libertarianism plays into the story that Texans like to tell themselves about being independent instead of loyal dogs of the party. I guess the hopelessness of single-party politics also draws people to hopeless third parties.
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ha, i didn't know fred cantu was part of south texas aristocracy
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So the Chinese consulate staff spent last night burning documents and have to leave the US. https://abc13.com/chinese-consulate-in-houston-ordered-to-close/6328284/ I guess a crisis with China is Trumps re-election Hail Mary. Edit: The one in Houston Numlock fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Is there anything notable about the consulate in Houston that Donald & Co. would single them out for? Largest, oldest, least bribes offered? Nothing comes to my mind.
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Apparently Houston is a hotspot for mainlander immigration? If that's true then I'd imagine the consulate is pretty busy. Plus if you think like a crazy person then you can spin a tale of China trying to steal our medical research from the Med Center (yeah man idk) as a distraction from Russia's hacking or something. Depends on what was the last thing Fox and Friends fed him to be angry about.
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Roumba posted:Is there anything notable about the consulate in Houston that Donald & Co. would single them out for? Largest, oldest, least bribes offered? Nothing comes to my mind. The only thing I can think of is that Trump is trying to spread out his impact across the country so he can say that he's doing something in any given state/region. Portland and Chicago are both firmly Democratic strongholds so sending federal LE makes sense there - but Texas is pretty reliably red with Abbott at the helm. This is a way for him to say he's having an impact for some nebulous benefit to Texans.
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