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Jul 21, 2020 21:41
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i would like to read more about this. can you link me
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Jul 21, 2020 21:46
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This is an unironically true summary of all human history
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Jul 21, 2020 21:46
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Something something the us and American Indian population
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Jul 21, 2020 21:48
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sincx posted:I haven't seen any photos of children in cages in Xinjiang. Please share with the thread the basis for your claim, so we can all be better informed. you're right this seems like a normal boarding school  https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/15/china-xinjiang-children-separated-families
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Jul 21, 2020 21:48
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sincx posted:Was Tino ever threadbanned in this thread? I don't think so. from cspam iirc, by squizz a few months back e: o maybe not, therese some fucker idk.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:49
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jul 21, 2020 21:51
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sincx posted:that was Pevan, not Tino. ya thats right, bring him back. smdh forum banning is for cowards.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:54
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Homeless Friend posted:ya thats right, bring him back. smdh forum banning is for cowards. Please god no
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Jul 21, 2020 21:54
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sincx posted:Don't move the goalposts. Your original assertion was: "cage full of emanciated sexually assaulted children in xinjiang" "you cant see the children in the barbed-wire child prison so nothings happening"
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Jul 21, 2020 21:57
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Ardennes posted:C-spam isn't all of SA btw. You should check GBS out some time. Ugh
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Jul 21, 2020 21:58
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seriously do you want me to smuggle a camera in a xinjiang boarding school to win a internet argument over "well, we cant actually see the abuse"
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Jul 21, 2020 21:59
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Wow China is almost as bad / not as bad as the Great Satan, USA, good job everyone. Celebrations all round.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:59
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sum posted:I'm assuming you're posting this out of ignorance but yes that is what is happening in Xinjiang I haven't been able find any sources for it that aren't just evidence-free accusations cycled through publications and ending at Adrian Zenz. The real stuff I can find is that the children whose parents have been taken are essentially in orphanages slash boarding schools (which is extremely hosed up, but aimed at the adults, with the kids as collateral damage), and that people in general have been pressured to put their children in schools that are heavy on teaching a mainstream Chinese culture. Kids of accused dissidents are also institutionally isolated from other kids. The word "sinification" is used, but it would mean teaching Chinese culture *to the exclusion of* Uyghur culture, for example making Chinese the primary or even the only language, and I personally can't find evidence of that kind of program. So, I guess yes, if I'm full of poo poo here, it's ignorance. Even then, people interviewed for e.g. this piece https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/china-internment-camps-uighur-muslim-children/569062/ make it sound like the regular Uyghur kid isn't being isolated from their family, but instead the families are afraid that the children are bringing influences home and becoming a threat to their traditions and cultural integrity in a way. I just haven't found the evidence to seriously suggest that we're talking about cultural eliminationist policy rather than national unification policy (which is hosed up, don't get me wrong, but Italy and Sweden-tier hosed up). Maybe you can hit me with evidence that makes me regret these posts though?
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Jul 21, 2020 21:59
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Thats my point, my man.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:01
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Bro Dad posted:seriously do you want me to smuggle a camera in a xinjiang boarding school to win a internet argument over "well, we cant actually see the abuse" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBaL-5o1oc "have you been to Xinjiang yourself? there's a Chinese saying -" is just so China, I love it
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Jul 21, 2020 22:03
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this thread is so painfully exquisitely fuckup stupid when it comes to blunt obvious han chauvinism in xinjiang and tibet, lioe unironic whataboutism and errything
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Jul 21, 2020 22:07
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being mad colonized and having room & board or locked up in a cage with a bunch of other folks at the epicenter of a pandemic? I think I'll choose the former lol. CHina wins again b*tch
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Jul 21, 2020 22:07
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Fuligin posted:this thread is so painfully exquisitely fuckup stupid when it comes to blunt obvious han chauvinism in xinjiang and tibet, lioe unironic whataboutism and errything look its only like 15 people here you just gotta embrace it, we're all friends here
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Jul 21, 2020 22:08
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The Great Autismo! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBaL-5o1oc "heres a random video, in xinjiang based on basically no evidence, of some kind of prisoner transfer. can you confirm their lush muslim hair has been shaved to resell in the global market?"
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Jul 21, 2020 22:09
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Fuligin posted:this thread is so painfully exquisitely fuckup stupid when it comes to blunt obvious han chauvinism in xinjiang and tibet, lioe unironic whataboutism and errything lo, the people of tibet cry out to be reshackled into serfdom and have their hands cut off for petty crime
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Jul 21, 2020 22:10
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When you think about it, what the CCP is doing is *just like* having a korean taco truck on the corner, I don't get why people complain besides anti-Han racism https://news.sky.com/story/the-missing-uighurs-exiled-families-haunted-by-hell-of-chinese-prison-camps-12033475
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Jul 21, 2020 22:11
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I don't think any other thread on SA comes even close to how often they make me feel like an overconfident idiot spewing hot takes based on bad and lacking info. I just keep posting though, because it's not like the standards are high in general.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:14
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uninterrupted posted:lo, the people of tibet cry out to be reshackled into serfdom and have their hands cut off for petty crime This argument would work way better if China wasn't totally cool with keeping the lama system around, just with party approved figures. See the panchen lama thing for examples
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Jul 21, 2020 22:16
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uninterrupted posted:lo, the people of tibet cry out to be reshackled into serfdom and have their hands cut off for petty crime
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Jul 21, 2020 22:17
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Grapplejack posted:This argument would work way better if China wasn't totally cool with keeping the lama system around, just with party approved figures. See the panchen lama thing for examples what percent of the tibetan population was serfs before china took control of tibet? what percentage after?
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Jul 21, 2020 22:18
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uncop posted:I don't think any other thread on SA comes even close to how often they make me feel like an overconfident idiot spewing hot takes based on bad and lacking info. I just keep posting though, because it's not like the standards are high in general. Extremely  tbh
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Jul 21, 2020 22:18
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my hot take is that the CCP acts as a force to restrict Han chauvinism
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Jul 21, 2020 22:21
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this thread is much better than the gbs thread because its like tom & jerry at the end of the day if you think about it
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Jul 21, 2020 22:22
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uninterrupted posted:what percent of the tibetan population was serfs before china took control of tibet? what percentage after? wasnt that the result of the lama system that china tolerates to this day
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Jul 21, 2020 22:29
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Kurnugia posted:wasnt that the result of the lama system that china tolerates to this day Eh...they are no longer actually in charge of Tibet.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:35
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What’s the optimal good-guy level of sinification, given that China is both doing it too hard and not doing it hard enough?
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Jul 21, 2020 22:36
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Ardennes posted:Eh...they are no longer actually in charge of Tibet. right, but if the monasteries still remain the centres of tibetan society, with serfdom, is china obliged to abolish them or what? its just a bit bizarre when on one hand theres constant propa about china interfering with tibetan religion, but the ccp is also expected to do something about...
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Jul 21, 2020 22:39
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dunno why but im feeling growinly farty
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Jul 21, 2020 22:41
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uninterrupted posted:lo, the people of tibet cry out to be reshackled into serfdom and have their hands cut off for petty crime thank god their enlightened neighbors sent in troops to peaceably occupy their country and save them. Oops, I mean 'sent troops to an area that was already 100% part of the country and always has been' which is why it was cool to send the troops. Totally not imperialism, because they were so unenlightened!
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Jul 21, 2020 22:44
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Kurnugia posted:right, but if the monasteries still remain the centres of tibetan society, with serfdom, is china obliged to abolish them or what? its just a bit bizarre when on one hand theres constant propa about china interfering with tibetan religion, but the ccp is also expected to do something about... Again, most of them were closed or turned into museums....so I guess...they did interfere. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 22:47
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yeah uh... you can call military occupation a lot of things i suppose
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Jul 21, 2020 22:49
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uninterrupted posted:what percent of the tibetan population was serfs before china took control of tibet? what percentage after?
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Jul 21, 2020 22:51
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Ardennes posted:Again, most of them were closed or turned into museums....so I guess...they did interfere. how many was that again?
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Kurnugia posted:how many was that again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tibetan_monasteries Here is a list of monasteries, go at it.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:54
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