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i keep him alive because I hate him. he just wants to die and not have to put up with anymore idiots like cailan or alistair, so I sentence him to drink poison and hang out with hawke
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Jul 20, 2020 23:11
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If you really hate Logahin, too bad you can't keep him alive long enough to watch his daughter get imprisoned. Keeping Loghain alive means Anora becomes queen, whether or not she does it alone.
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Jul 20, 2020 23:31
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:i keep him alive because I hate him. he just wants to die and not have to put up with anymore idiots like cailan or alistair, so I sentence him to drink poison and hang out with hawke it's fun to force him to stay alive through every opportunity for him to die
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Jul 20, 2020 23:50
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imo all the joinings should have a random chance of resulting in death so there's a possibility that loghain dies anyway and alistair threw a fit and left to become a drunk for nothing. also a chance the game ends in the first half hour
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Jul 20, 2020 23:57
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Shugojin posted:it's fun to force him to stay alive through every opportunity for him to die Same. Looking forward to dragging Loghain through some maps in DA 4
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Jul 21, 2020 03:13
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I think Morrigan and Isabela still remain as the only returning Origins characters that are guaranteed to survive past Inquisition.
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Jul 21, 2020 03:32
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ApplesandOranges posted:I think Morrigan and Isabela still remain as the only returning Origins characters that are guaranteed to survive past Inquisition. Even if Leliana is a Lyrium ghost I think she still says something in her epilogue that implies she’ll come back
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Jul 21, 2020 03:59
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ApplesandOranges posted:I think Morrigan and Isabela still remain as the only returning Origins characters that are guaranteed to survive past Inquisition. How can Varric die?
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Jul 21, 2020 04:04
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Eimi posted:How can Varric die? He's not from origins. on a related yet opposite note: have the sequels caused anyone to usurp Wynn as the most killable party member? The game gives you 3 or 4 chances to off her.
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Jul 21, 2020 04:07
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FoolyCharged posted:He's not from origins. On my first Origins playthrough I killd Wynn on the spot and had no idea she was meant to be recruitable. Cleanse with fire and all that.
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Jul 21, 2020 08:02
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FoolyCharged posted:He's not from origins. You have three chances to kill Loghain (Landsmeet, Sacrifice, Inquisition). I think that's it, not counting 'fake' deaths like how Anders can 'die' in Awakening.
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Jul 21, 2020 08:34
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Admiral Ray posted:I liked Loghain. I always induct him into the Wardens because the level of loyalty he inspires from his soldiers is fantastic and his battlefield experience is incredible. I'm not gonna let Loghain go to waste just because Alistair can't let a few minor kerfuffles go. What a drama llama. Alistair is (or was) not a very good Warden. His quixotic view of the order was always at odds with their bone-deep pragmatism. If Duncan were alive to make the choice, he would have snapped up Loghain without a second thought.
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Jul 21, 2020 08:46
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I mean, Loghain didn't directly kill Cailan, but the Dwarven Noble can directly kill the heir to the Dwarven throne, so yeah Duncan has no qualms.
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Jul 21, 2020 08:48
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I don’t get all this love for Loghain, he is an evil nationalist bastard who would let his country burn just to spite orlais. I chopped his head of with no second though and put my pal Alistair on the throne.
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Jul 21, 2020 08:55
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Avalerion posted:I don’t get all this love for Loghain, he is an evil nationalist bastard who would let his country burn just to spite orlais. I chopped his head of with no second though and put my pal Alistair on the throne. Same. After how completely delusional he showed himself to be in Origins and what a complete failure he was at every point in that game I don't consider him a asset to the Wardens on the same level as Alistair. Having the actual King of Fereldan as your warden-buddy is way better for the Wardens than some past-his-prime nutter. Plus for all of Alistairs faults, he is apparently a severely badass fighter. The dude beat Sten in a 1v1 in the comics.
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Jul 21, 2020 09:05
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I don't have any particular love for Loghain, but first playthrough I took every opportunity to recruit grey wardens/followers in Origins just so i could throw more troops into the meatgrinder. Was actually taken aback that Loghain agreed since most of the secondary/tertiary npcs I met before chose death by my hand instead of fighting the darkspawn. 
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Jul 21, 2020 09:05
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Skippy McPants posted:Alistair is (or was) not a very good Warden. His quixotic view of the order was always at odds with their bone-deep pragmatism. If Duncan were alive to make the choice, he would have snapped up Loghain without a second thought. Alistair was like his brother - thought he was in a heroic fantasy narrative where the hero wears shining armor and virtue triumphs over Snidley Whiplash with his twirly villain moustache. I agree Duncan would have resolved everything pretty well and sorted people out. That's why Duncan had to die ASAP and give the player character the opportunity to save the day instead (and/or murder everyone).
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Jul 21, 2020 10:14
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Alistair definitely does not think himself as the hero though, he's more than happy to be the follower unless you harden him. That's why he defers to you for every other decision despite seniority.
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Jul 21, 2020 10:30
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Logain has a better VA so he takes it I definitely kill him in both human noble and city elf origins though considering he is either working with the guy who killed your family (and maybe helped him?) or he is literally selling your entire community into blood mage slavery for some dumb reason like he needs the money or something
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Jul 21, 2020 10:48
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Skippy McPants posted:Alistair is (or was) not a very good Warden. His quixotic view of the order was always at odds with their bone-deep pragmatism. If Duncan were alive to make the choice, he would have snapped up Loghain without a second thought. Although if Duncan had made the choice Alistair would have probably gone along with it.
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Jul 21, 2020 12:08
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He totally would have, because he had an even more rosy view of Duncan. Most of his hate was predicated on Loghain killing the man he idolized. Avalerion posted:I don’t get all this love for Loghain, he is an evil nationalist bastard who would let his country burn just to spite orlais. I chopped his head of with no second though and put my pal Alistair on the throne. Loghain was a monster, but taking in monsters and turning them against the Darkspawn is the Warden's whole remit. Letting him go to waste for the sake of mollifying Alistair is a bad deal. Feeding him to the Archdemon is a much more practical and poetic ending. Alistair still gets to be king and marry the guy's daughter. He'll get over it. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 12:33
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In some ways, being forced to be married to Anora is kind of a punishment in itself  Maybe that's why Cailan happily went on his death march.
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Jul 21, 2020 15:37
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Putting Al on the throne was a no-brainer since my Warden romanced him, so she became queen. 
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Jul 21, 2020 16:43
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Loghain's biggest problem is that he comes across as a saturday morning cartoon villain until the moment you put him in the party.
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Jul 21, 2020 17:48
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Vichan posted:Loghain's biggest problem is that he comes across as a saturday morning cartoon villain until the moment you put him in the party. Yeah, his camp conversations are some of best in the game and probably the series.
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Jul 21, 2020 18:00
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the warden's company huddled together in a corner at the landsmeet. wynne looks over at loghain, then on to alistair. 'well... we need a tank and we spent soooo much time gearing him up.' 'oui. ze templars may go too far in adrastes name, but zey have a nice skill tree.' 'fine... Al! fetch a block.'
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Jul 21, 2020 19:52
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Luceo posted:Putting Al on the throne was a no-brainer since my Warden romanced him, so she became queen. I almost feel that was kind of a backhanded 'canon' DA:O playthrough. Queen and Warden-Commander of Ferelden. (Naturally then the Warden wanders off to scour the world for a cure for the Darkspawn Taint and is never seen again, but whatever.)
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Jul 22, 2020 04:17
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Can you actually become king/queen? I thought you were delegated to being prince/princess-consort even if Alistair or Anora are out of the picture. The funniest configuration of this is a hardened Alistair marrying Anora and still sleeping with you on the side. There's even a drunk in DA2 who talks about how the queen cant be happy with the king's elven girlfriend or something like that.
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Jul 22, 2020 04:55
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Wolfsheim posted:Can you actually become king/queen? I thought you were delegated to being prince/princess-consort even if Alistair or Anora are out of the picture. I believe it is exclusive to female human noble characters- if you are a mage, elf, or dwarf, becoming queen would be too controversial (and so you keep your personal romance with Alistair a secret), but having the Cousland name gives you enough political clout to make it official. I think the same goes for male human nobles with Anora, but I can't say for certain.
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Jul 22, 2020 07:56
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Male Cousland with Anora is still king-consort from what I remember.
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I think that's because it's Anora. Alistair is much happier to share the burden and the only reason Anora doesn't demote him to consort is because Alistair has a much more legitimate claim to the throne and it would get noticed, while the Male Noble is 'just' a noble house?
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ApplesandOranges posted:In some ways, being forced to be married to Anora is kind of a punishment in itself She's definitely frustrating. I usually have Alistair marry her since it seems like the best solution but man if it isn't tempting to tell her to gently caress off and just let Alistair be king.
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Jul 22, 2020 18:57
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ApplesandOranges posted:I think that's because it's Anora. Alistair is much happier to share the burden and the only reason Anora doesn't demote him to consort is because Alistair has a much more legitimate claim to the throne and it would get noticed, while the Male Noble is 'just' a noble house? Anora actually has a spine.
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I don't think Alistair is the reason the Human Noble Male doesn't get to become king if they marry Anora, though. Heck, half of Anora's argument if she marries Alistair is for them to be given equal power since she does not want a repeat of the Cailan situation. But then if she marries the Warden, nah, I'm queen now, you're consort.
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I usually think that having Anora be queen whether married to Alistair or otherwise is the best call because she does seem to be a competent ruler. But something to consider is that she may actually be barren given she didn't conceive after 5 years of being married to Cailan. I don't think theres been any word on a Fereldan heir even though she'd have been queen for 20 years by the time of Inquisition, though Alistair by himself doesn't make an heir either I guess. Succession wars are serious loving business and both her and Alistair are the last members of their families, unless you had him knock up Morrigan of course. Now THAT would be a funny twist.
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Jul 22, 2020 19:33
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Nephthys posted:But something to consider is that she may actually be barren given she didn't conceive after 5 years of being married to Cailan.
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Jul 22, 2020 19:47
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Raygereio posted:Cailan could just as easily have been infertile though. Regardless we know Alistair and the Warden are both infertile so the only way to possibly avoid a succession crisis is to have Anora rule solo (and marry someone else). Or have someone else secretly knock her up
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Jul 22, 2020 20:07
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Zore posted:Regardless we know Alistair and the Warden are both infertile so the only way to possibly avoid a succession crisis is to have Anora rule solo (and marry someone else). Alistair has to be fertile because of the demon child with Morrigan. That or, magic exists to make infertility not matter in Thedas.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:12
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Eimi posted:Alistair has to be fertile because of the demon child with Morrigan. That or, magic exists to make infertility not matter in Thedas. All wardens are infertile, it is mentioned multiple times. Morrigan uses dark magic to counter act it in this particular case. Who knows how hard that dark magic is.
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KittyEmpress posted:All wardens are infertile, it is mentioned multiple times. Morrigan uses dark magic to counter act it in this particular case. Who knows how hard that dark magic is. quite hard given the acts involved 
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