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Some Guy TT posted:the inability of anyone to find a serious ughyur genocide commentator who isnt either a religious extremist or a literal war crimes collaborator should maybe clue you in to how this issue isnt anywhere near as cut and dried as you think it is The champion the China watchers have chosen being extremely bad isn’t evidence in favor of China being somehow virtuous. Sure, I think China has the right to defend its people against this kind of menace, just the part about looking up to the zionist project sends chills up my spine. It sounds like a vision of inviting in turkic people and islamist statebuilders to be able to drive the non-muslims (and wrong muslims) of the region into margins. But I’d call China’s approach to defending itself straight-up fascist any time of the day if that didn’t play into the lies about Nazi style concentration camps and population replacement strategies. It’s an extreme police state in the style of the USA: ruled by an oligarchy, uses extralegal police terrorism against dissent, has a vast system of ethnic political imprisonment that breaks up families and railroads people’s lives so that others can make a buck. It just lacks the white supremacy aspect that designates some lives as worthless and incapable of developing beyond a certain point. uncop has issued a correction as of 07:23 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Some Guy TT posted:the inability of anyone to find a serious ughyur genocide commentator who isnt either a religious extremist or a literal war crimes collaborator should maybe clue you in to how this issue isnt anywhere near as cut and dried as you think it is Well here's a testimonial from Mihrigul Tursun who says she was sterilized in an interment camp and hey it's here in convenient manga form: https://mangadex.org/chapter/756513/1 Bro Dad has issued a correction as of 07:14 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 07:12
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the anime version had way more beheadings
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Jul 22, 2020 07:27
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Also you can find the primary CCP documents outlined how the camps should be run and even in propaganda speak they're not great: https://www.scribd.com/document/436167661/China-Cables-Day-One-main-doc-and-translation [quote=Autonomous Region State Organ Telegram Telegram Issuing Unit: Autonomous Region Party Political and Legal Affairs Commission Signed and approved by: Zhu Hailun Level: Special Secrecy level: Confidential New Party Politics and Law (2017) No. 419 New Secret No. 5656] 2. Prevent escapes. Adhere to zone separation and individual unit management, and improve the installation of police stations at front gates, security guard duty rooms, high guard posts, security guard posts and patrol routes, etc., perfect peripheral isolation, internal separation, protective defenses, safe passageways and other facilities and equipment, and ensure that security instruments, security equipment, video surveillance, one-button alarms and other such devices are in place and functioning. Have a strict security check system on personnel, vehicles, and goods entering and exiting, and strictly control the entry of vehicles. For vehicles that need to be parked, the front of the vehicle has to be pointed inwards, and it has to be locked from people. Strictly manage door locks and keys - dormitory doors, corridor doors and floor doors must be double locked, and must be locked immediately after being opened and closed. Strictly manage and control student activities to prevent escapes during class, eating periods, toilet breaks, bath time, medical treatment, family visits, etc. Strictly manage students requesting time off, if they really need to leave the training center due to illness or other special circumstances, they must have someone specially accompany, monitor and control them. 3. Prevent trouble. Implement inspection systems for key personnel, key parts, key time periods, and key items, discover and dispose of behavioral violations and abnormal situations in classrooms, dormitories and other areas in a timely manner, and evaluate and resolve students' ideological problems and abnormal emotions at all times. Roll out secret forces and bring information officers into play to prevent people from joining forces to cause trouble. Students are not allowed to participate in labor outside class, and may not contact the outside world apart from during prescribed activities. It is strictly forbidden for the students to have their own cellphones or for staff to hand over cellphones to students, so as to prevent the staff from interacting with students and collusion between inside and outside. There must be full video surveillance coverage of dormitories and classrooms free of blind spots, ensuring that guards on duty can monitor in real time, record things in detail, and report suspicious circumstances immediately. [/quote]
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Jul 22, 2020 07:29
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Bro Dad posted:Well here's a testimonial from Mihrigul Tursun who says she was sterilized in an interment camp and hey it's here in convenient manga form:  
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Jul 22, 2020 07:29
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You are 90% pregnant.
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Jul 22, 2020 07:35
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Rabelais D posted:Im genuinely interested if US schools are surrounded by barbed wire fences and have huge signs saying "English only" at the entrance to the campus America is not a good measuring stick of social justice, you should just judge everything from a universal ideal imo b/c anything else justifies or makes light of some injustice
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Jul 22, 2020 07:36
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sum posted:Alaska has been part of the US longer than Xinjiang has been a province of China. F minus see me after class xinjiang isn't a province it's an autonomous region, so your technicality doesn't even work the land of xinjiang has been part of some chinese state for like 2000 years, way longer than Uyghurs have lived there so idk why you'd want to make an argument from this perspective
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Jul 22, 2020 07:36
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uncop posted:The champion the China watchers have chosen being extremely bad isn’t evidence in favor of China being somehow virtuous. Sure, I think China has the right to defend its people against this kind of menace, just the part about looking up to the zionist project sends chills up my spine. It sounds like a vision of inviting in turkic people and islamist statebuilders to be able to drive the non-muslims (and wrong muslims) of the region into margins. But I’d call China’s approach to defending itself straight-up fascist any time of the day if that didn’t play into the lies about Nazi style concentration camps and population replacement strategies. It’s an extreme police state in the style of the USA: ruled by an oligarchy, uses extralegal police terrorism against dissent, has a vast system of ethnic political imprisonment that breaks up families and railroads people’s lives so that others can make a buck. It just lacks the white supremacy aspect that designates some lives as worthless and incapable of developing beyond a certain point. Would you care to define Fascism in material, rather than moralistic terms?
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Jul 22, 2020 07:37
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https://twitter.com/ReutersChina/status/1285056562084470785?p=v weird how i mined this particular content from a non china reporter and didnt get it from my sweep of china watcher twitter earlier this morning why its almost as if theyre capitalist lackies whose concern over chinese human rights violations is just cynical concern trolling
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Jul 22, 2020 07:48
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uncop posted:Missed this somehow. I kinda understood this is how it is, but holy poo poo it's hosed up not to try to find a kid's relatives just so they can be put into some loving patriotic indoctrination camp where normal rights don't apply. Best case scenario, it's a limited amount of basically hostages (come back and play nice, or lose your kid), but who knows. I'd have chosen my words differently if I had read it. Show me the major contemporary or historical bourgeois liberal state to which you would counterpose "fascist" China. Certainly the New Deal USA can't be any less fascist. None of the European imperial powers can claim any moral superiority, which seems to be your criteria. If China is fascist, what significant power was ever not? If they were all fascist, isn't it more misleading than informative, how ever revisionist you think the PRC might be, to call it fascist without noting that that charge, in your own peculiar usage, has no specific meaning? Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 16:44 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 07:55
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Some Guy TT posted:the inability of anyone to find a serious ughyur genocide commentator who isnt either a religious extremist or a literal war crimes collaborator should maybe clue you in to how this issue isnt anywhere near as cut and dried as you think it is I think this was posted earlier in the thread. Hell, I think it may have been you yourself: https://twitter.com/daikonzine/status/1275352898692620289
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Jul 22, 2020 08:04
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it's happening https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1285831071129427968 BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:12 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 08:09
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think this was posted earlier in the thread. yeah that was me but no one bit so we didnt talk about it this part was what i thought was the most interesting quote:Increasingly, there were mentions of what was happening to Uyghurs and Muslim minorities in “Xinjiang” — but mostly for the purpose of contributing to a larger narrative meant to reiterate negative, sensationalist, xenophobic, psychocultural perceptions about China as an economic threat to the United States (and “the West”) in the midst of Trump’s trade war. Nothing was done to uplift the voices of communities calling attention to ongoing state violence. Instead, our suffering was tokenized for an imperialist prerogative. After Trump’s meeting, we began to see an increase in support for lobbying efforts calling for punitive sanctions against China in retaliation for the mass detention of Muslims, most visibly of Uyghurs. which probably explains why this particular commenter isnt that well known
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Jul 22, 2020 08:20
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Why the Houston consulate in particular?
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Jul 22, 2020 08:22
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Forceholy posted:Why the Houston consulate in particular? Why do they have a consulate in Houston anyway? You'd figure it would be in like, Seattle, or Honolulu. I mean I guess Houston has a big Chinese population to justify it I guess?
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Jul 22, 2020 08:29
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Forceholy posted:Why the Houston consulate in particular? lets trump show off his xenophobic credentials without actually affecting anything
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Jul 22, 2020 08:31
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Grapplejack posted:Why do they have a consulate in Houston anyway? You'd figure it would be in like, Seattle, or Honolulu. I mean I guess Houston has a big Chinese population to justify it I guess? He could do Chicago as well.
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Jul 22, 2020 08:34
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jul 22, 2020 08:39
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condemn this thread to D&D
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Jul 22, 2020 08:40
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Victory Position posted:condemn this thread to D&D
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Jul 22, 2020 08:49
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lmao gently caress off this is just about to become a place to blow off steam about skyrocketing tensions everybody pull the sticks out of your asses and enjoy the existential dread
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Jul 22, 2020 08:55
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lmao the author is a comfort women denier and thinks Ainu and Okinawans are a North Korean plot to sow chaos in Japan https://twitter.com/swim_shu/status/681455634856853504 https://twitter.com/swim_shu/status/761192142085566464 https://twitter.com/swim_shu/status/1157088348701220864 https://twitter.com/swim_shu/status/1147282785897291782 https://twitter.com/swim_shu/status/1156825656333754368
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Jul 22, 2020 09:13
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FT has a headline up that says China condemns the move, but I don’t have a subscription https://www.ft.com/content/cd8472e9-75fc-4f68-b377-f186a8e8c12f imo there’s enough serious poo poo happening that there should be a china thread without the china whataboutism
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Jul 22, 2020 09:38
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Some Guy TT posted:were there any rules against speaking other languages because those are quite common with foreign language schools and international schools albeit with varying degrees of enforcement generally speaking its a pedagogical standard as the common understanding is that foreign languages need to be taught by immersion and bilingual education doesnt work The article mentions the name of this school, 伽师县第四中學. It's a language school, I looked it up and they also teach english there. The photo makes the school look really scary, here's another photo this one of the main building where you can see it's just another chinese school  If you search the school name you also see blogs from teachers who work there and it looks like videos of kids dancing to Turkic music and whatever, and you can see videos from other schools in the town where people are speaking a Turkic language at school (albiet from 2015), and then I found this http://www.xjjsx.gov.cn/Item/19296.aspx Where I guess the school had a 'collective birthday' for all the ‘distressed' students, seems nice but then the principle says "大家特别希望和父母在一起过生日，这对于大多数的孩子来说，是很平常的事。但对于你们，父母不在身边，为了让你们感受到和父母一样的关爱，学校特意为你们集体过个生日，祝你们生日快乐，早日成才。" Everyone especially wishes to have their birthday alongside their parents, for most children it's nothing extraordinary. But for you all, whose parents are not at your side, in order to make you feel the love like that of your parents, the school celebrates a special collective birthday, wishing you a happy birthday and early success in life. grain of salt and all but I'm still probably more accurate than bellingcat
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Jul 22, 2020 09:54
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Grapplejack posted:Why do they have a consulate in Houston anyway? You'd figure it would be in like, Seattle, or Honolulu. I mean I guess Houston has a big Chinese population to justify it I guess? consulates serve wide areas. in 2017-2018 when russia and the US did the same dance and they both closed a bunch of consulates it kinda hosed over people on the west coast. china has 5 consulates in the US: LA, NYC, SF, Chicago and Houston. Houston is the geographically closest consulate for a pretty wide area of the US given their distribution. SF, LA, NYC and Chicago are probably more important overall for other reasons since those are all super important economic centers, so on a macro level Houston is probably least important, but will gently caress over anyone who now has to think about going to chicago or LA i guess??? sincx posted:My guess is that the State Department is going to close the least useful consulate (Shenyang?) due to lack of staff, and in retaliation is forcing China to close its least useful consulate (Houston). shenyang is right next to north korea. chengdu serves a huge area including xinjiang and tibet. Guangzhou or shanghai would be the wild options, akin to closing NYC or SF in the US. wuhan is probably the "least important" as it's not even officially done yet. their website says plans to open fully in 2020, but do still offer some services. wuhan also wouldn't inconvenience anyone to the level houston's closing would in the states since the other 4 + beijing are pretty evenly distributed around the country comparatively.
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Jul 22, 2020 10:59
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sincx posted:Total speculation: I heard US have problem reopening the Wuhan one.
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Jul 22, 2020 16:24
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get out from where tho? hk where u will be arrested for separatism? the us where u will be target for mob ~justice~? https://twitter.com/goldencaskcap/status/1285834917226508291 btw this dude wasn't on my radar much cuz weeb japanese nationalists r a dime a dozen but dude just managed to clown on himself big time https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1285760348683767808   
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Jul 22, 2020 16:36
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jul 22, 2020 16:40
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All these anti-China "baseball fight posturing" are all pre-election specials. Somebody think Trump will actually remove Hong Kong's separate trade zone status. I just don't think Trump will do anything that will hurt the money bottom line because he doesn't think "it's a good deal". I do expect Trump will do everything else diplomatically to "maximum pressure" China because the orange turd think there is no consequence to diplomatic pushing and yelling. With three months remaining before the general election I predict these things will happen: * a couple more HK human right related laws passed * a couple more Uyghers related acts signed * 1 or 2 more batches of Chinese companies put on the sanction list * a "CCP members getting sanction" kind of executive order signed. Since that CCP US visa ban is bullshit so expect a scaled back version * some kind of Chinese official branch in the US getting into trouble, it may be semi-offical NGO like the Confucius institute. Beijing always treat these gestures very seriously, so expect a swift direct and equal response inside China. * Also UK will pass a couple "lets treat HKers better" laws since Boris Johnson has recently dumped Huawei and fully sign on Team America. Ditto to whatshisname in Australia All these plays will spaced out to around one news item a week to keep the fire burning before the election, honestly these news are not that big in the news cycle when you have done it before and come back for an encore. I think Trump must have something more damaging in the bag. There has been talk of Trump holding back a dirty item against Biden, some kind of "Failson Biden getting cozy with the Ghinessse" angle. I am surprised it hasn't made the news yet. I think Trump better play it now if he actually have it up his sleeve. In term of China response I think Xi the Pooh can do a lot of thing but Beijing is not doing them. Like for example actually sanctioning US companies that do business in China (Qualcomm etc) instead of sanctioning Lockheen Martin. Or actually put out a rare earth ban. I don't want to spend too much time to speculate on Beijing actions so my only prediction is the HK Sep election will be delayed. What I am saying is Beijing is putting the money on Biden winning and the Sino-US relationship has a chance to reconcile next year. And we all know Trump polling number has been pretty bad recently. If the Trump number is still terrible come Sep/Oct I wouldn't be surprise if Trump throw a hail mary. What is a hail mary you ask? I wouldn't be surprised if Trump bomb the military structures on the SCS man made islands. Something like this place. I can't follow all these different reefs in SCS but if US want to do something militarily, I would put money on one of the rocks inside Philippine's claim. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 16:48 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 16:45
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Trump's rebooted Voice of America is going to hire that fan of Japanese fascism to be the lead East Asia correspondent.
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Jul 22, 2020 16:47
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dang there’s a lot going on!! we really are lucky that tino is here to explain to us what’s happening
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Jul 22, 2020 16:47
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Atrocious Joe posted:Trump's rebooted Voice of America is going to hire that fan of Japanese fascism to be the lead East Asia correspondent. finally a correspondent his voting base can relate to
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Jul 22, 2020 16:53
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Grapplejack posted:Why do they have a consulate in Houston anyway? You'd figure it would be in like, Seattle, or Honolulu. I mean I guess Houston has a big Chinese population to justify it I guess?
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Jul 22, 2020 19:03
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:houston is a regional hub for consulates, not just china. not sure how it developed that way but my guess is that it's due to houston's status as a center for the global oil industry it’s the 4th most populous city in the us and pretty far from the other big cities, kind of a no brainer once you cover the coasts
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Jul 22, 2020 19:27
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Grapplejack posted:Why do they have a consulate in Houston anyway? You'd figure it would be in like, Seattle, or Honolulu. I mean I guess Houston has a big Chinese population to justify it I guess? uh, Houston is the fourth most populous city in the United States behind New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago it has about double the amount of Chinese people than Seattle does? Houston and Honolulu have about the same Chinese population - tbh it would make much more sense to have one in Honolulu - Seattle would be bizarre The Great Autismo! has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 19:27
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lol wtf Houston is like 3 times the size of Seattle why would there be a consulate in Seattle and not Houston
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Jul 22, 2020 19:32
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Throatwarbler posted:lol wtf Houston is like 3 times the size of Seattle why would there be a consulate in Seattle and not Houston its the megacorporate hub of the west coast, chummer
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Jul 22, 2020 19:54
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Throatwarbler posted:lol wtf Houston is like 3 times the size of Seattle why would there be a consulate in Seattle and not Houston I just assumed there's be one there because of the immigrant population tbh.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:05
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