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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
| Total: | 2089 votes | ||
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Mellow Seas posted:I’d say it’s more a standard Boomer take. Yeah, I could imagine a quip that tries to handwave past older history, but this one's rather obvious. Everyone is going to pause and go "wait a sec...."
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"I wonder why this man has a portrait of Andrew Jackson in his office, probably no reason"
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Jul 22, 2020 21:47
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it's even more ridiculous when you consider that Obama's VP must have been well aware of the contents of the "whitey" tape
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Jul 22, 2020 21:56
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Once again proving that the people in power only dislike trump because he’s rude
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Jul 22, 2020 22:04
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Wonder how Biden is going to square his pledge to end private prisons with his pledge to not inconvenience the capitalist class and stand in the way of their profits. Maybe he'll ask the CCA real nice to shut down their prisons and stop making obscene amounts of money from slave labor?
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Jul 22, 2020 22:18
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is pepsi ok posted:Wonder how Biden is going to square his pledge to end private prisons with his pledge to not inconvenience the capitalist class and stand in the way of their profits. Maybe he'll ask the CCA real nice to shut down their prisons and stop making obscene amounts of money from slave labor? Introducing a bill and accidentally adding that he plans to veto it to the title
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Jul 22, 2020 22:29
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plogo posted:I mean as compared to the 70s / 80s dems I would say the establishment opposition to sanders was pretty muted. Like Jessie Jackson's campaigns were both better run and had stronger opposition in my opinion. I wasn't around back then, so my speculation is pure spitballing, but, I think in Jackson's case, it was because the party still had to do its own lifting. You didn't have CNN and MSNBC and the like doing half the work for you with constant segments on how Jackson is dumb and bad and voting for him is expecting a free unicorn.
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Jul 23, 2020 00:47
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How are u posted:I disagree. Biden has clearly shifted with the times over his career. The times now call for governing further to the left. It makes sense to me. Right, but let's look at the time-span of his entire career. He started political office right around the time of Nixon (whom of course Biden in no way endorsed and that isn't the point, just the era, as it was), and eventually did some things while VP that were good, like calling attention to the rights of gay people. However, if we suppose that he has moved leftward, it's within a context. Within the past 20-30 years or so, the US has become aggressively militarized with its police, who are more than happy to blast away at "the enemy" whose identity we don't really need to guess about, the US is more openly antagonistic with Russia since, well before Reagan (at least if we go by the wine moms on morning talk shows), the entirety of the BLM protest is founded on the idea that no one gave a poo poo about the existence of black people other than in the context of them being "trouble" of some sort (which again would define the majority of the working career of one Biden, Joseph), and I suppose there is now popular attention on healthcare being a basic human right, but this is a recent development. To say that he's "moving left", within the confines of the post-Nixon era of America, Bill Clinton's administration, Bush 2 and whatever the gently caress that has been happening lately, is more or less without meaning.
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Jul 23, 2020 00:53
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You just have to make room for him to move left.
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Jul 23, 2020 04:19
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Mellow Seas posted:What if you do the inverse of this? The problem is that you are assuming that they're even remotely willing to do anything that would upset the wealthy (or the industries/interests they have strong relationships with) in order to win elections. And even if they somehow were, there is every incentive for them to conclude that actually left-wing policy is a bad idea electorally. They will cling to any reason they can to continue believing that centrist politics is the way to go, and Biden winning in and of itself will be considered evidence of this in their eyes. As a result, there is no conceivable situation where a Biden administration suddenly decides to support something like MfA or the GND. There is not a "1 in 3 chance." It will not happen for the same reason Trump won't suddenly start supporting those things. You are assuming that they are even remotely open to these things when there isn't a single reason to believe this. The idea that such a thing is even possible reflects a fundamental deep misunderstanding of our political system and the things that guide and influence the decisions of our politicians. So basically what V. Illych L. said in his posts.
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Jul 23, 2020 05:38
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If the DNC gave even the slightest bit of a gently caress in favor of good things like M4A, they wouldn't have rallied so hard against the guy who was pushing for it in favor of Joe "Nothing Will Fundamentally Change, I Will Not Push For Meaningful Legislation" Biden, and it's completely mind boggling to think that there is any chance of him or the Dems in power offering one iota more than the bare minimum it would take to placate us unwashed masses.
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Jul 23, 2020 05:48
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the_steve posted:If the DNC gave even the slightest bit of a gently caress in favor of good things like M4A, they wouldn't have rallied so hard against the guy who was pushing for it in favor of Joe "Nothing Will Fundamentally Change, I Will Not Push For Meaningful Legislation" Biden, and it's completely mind boggling to think that there is any chance of him or the Dems in power offering one iota more than the bare minimum it would take to placate us unwashed masses. At this point, even placating the masses at all seems like a stretch.
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Jul 23, 2020 06:37
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is pepsi ok posted:Wonder how Biden is going to square his pledge to end private prisons with his pledge to not inconvenience the capitalist class and stand in the way of their profits. Maybe he'll ask the CCA real nice to shut down their prisons and stop making obscene amounts of money from slave labor? He'll call up his buddy Chuck in the Senate and ask him how the Bill is doing and that's he's very concerned about it's passage, then they'll stop to laugh for a minute before getting on to their actual agenda.
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Jul 23, 2020 06:37
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the_steve posted:If the DNC gave even the slightest bit of a gently caress in favor of good things like M4A, they wouldn't have rallied so hard against the guy who was pushing for it in favor of Joe "Nothing Will Fundamentally Change, I Will Not Push For Meaningful Legislation" Biden, and it's completely mind boggling to think that there is any chance of him or the Dems in power offering one iota more than the bare minimum it would take to placate us unwashed masses. Biden's purpose is to protect the status quo and capital by throwing a few crumbs to the masses (and easing them back into complacency because a 'D' is in charge).
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Jul 23, 2020 16:11
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Biden's purpose is to protect the status quo and capital by throwing a few crumbs to the masses (and easing them back into complacency because a 'D' is in charge). At this point I doubt they even remember that the 'crumbs' part is important.
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Jul 23, 2020 16:16
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All this talk about what Biden will and won't do seems to be looking at his presidency in a vacuum. Nobody is taking into consideration the fact that more and more establishment Democrats have bitten the dust and lost to more progressive primary challengers (and even if they win, it isn't a cakewalk). Also, we're assuming that these protests, or even the desire to protest, will suddenly stop once Biden is in office. Yes, there will inevitably be some section of the population that will go back to brunch after Biden's elected. We can't stop that from happening. But we can't forget that there has been a progressive movement that has been growing in strength since 2016 and we can't assume that it will have zero effect on Biden's presidency. Call me naive. Call me an optimist. I just do not see these protests and progressive newcomers disappearing after election day. I think it will have a positive effect on how Biden governs.
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Jul 23, 2020 17:18
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volts5000 posted:All this talk about what Biden will and won't do seems to be looking at his presidency in a vacuum. Nobody is taking into consideration the fact that more and more establishment Democrats have bitten the dust and lost to more progressive primary challengers (and even if they win, it isn't a cakewalk). Also, we're assuming that these protests, or even the desire to protest, will suddenly stop once Biden is in office. Biden will be no more supportive of the BLM protests than Obama was of the--in his own words--"thug" BLM protests in his own time, and doubting that is simple naivety.
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Jul 23, 2020 17:47
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volts5000 posted:All this talk about what Biden will and won't do seems to be looking at his presidency in a vacuum. Nobody is taking into consideration the fact that more and more establishment Democrats have bitten the dust and lost to more progressive primary challengers (and even if they win, it isn't a cakewalk). Also, we're assuming that these protests, or even the desire to protest, will suddenly stop once Biden is in office. I want to believe this as well, but we also need to keep in mind that it is still very much an uphill struggle. Yeah, progressives have scored some wins, but, they don't have a very solid base of power yet. The establishment still has some deeply entrenched territory from which they can try to quash any movement to the Left. Progressives are still the underdog against a superior force here, so we can't let ourselves get complacent. The Pelosis and the Schumers of the party are still going to try to smother this in the crib every chance they get.
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Jul 23, 2020 18:02
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Ruzihm posted:Biden will be no more supportive of the BLM protests than Obama was of the--in his own words--"thug" BLM protests in his own time, and doubting that is simple naivety. I was looking at it as BLM "forcing" (I can't think of a better word) his presidency into a better direction through direct action, not his level of acceptance of the protests. the_steve posted:I want to believe this as well, but we also need to keep in mind that it is still very much an uphill struggle. This right here. We can't assume what Biden will do as president and just accept it as a given. We have to keep the pressure on. volts5000 fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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Jul 23, 2020 18:21
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volts5000 posted:I was looking at it as BLM "forcing" (I can't think of a better word) his presidency into a better direction through direct action, not his level of acceptance of the protests. Voting for Biden is complacency
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Jul 23, 2020 18:56
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https://twitter.com/karavoght/status/1286304290651475969?s=21
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Jul 23, 2020 18:59
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Ruzihm posted:Voting for Biden is complacency If you're voting, but not taking part in any direct action, I agree.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:14
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Why would Biden ever give a poo poo after he's in power
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Jul 23, 2020 19:31
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Terror Sweat posted:Why would Biden ever give a poo poo after he's in power Why would anybody? If that's the case, why protest? Why run for office? If we've correctly predicted how Biden will govern and nothing will ever change that, then what's the loving point of anything?
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Jul 23, 2020 19:35
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Uh that's why you don't let a party elect a racist rapist who's been working for the Republicans for his entire career, and if they do you punish them by delivering a historic loss. That's literally the only power that anyone has within the confines of electoralism to protect against candidates like Biden who promise that nothing will change if they're elected.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:39
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Uh that's why you don't let a party elect a racist rapist who's been working for the Republicans for his entire career, and if they do you punish them by delivering a historic loss. That's literally the only power that anyone has within the confines of electoralism to protect against candidates like Biden who promise that nothing will change if they're elected. Re-elect the fascist to own the libs.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:45
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Replace the libs with a socialist green party to own the libs is the only plan that makes sense within the confines of electoralism.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:46
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SoldadoDeTone posted:Re-elect the fascist to own the libs. we already did that with our deporter in chief in 2012
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Jul 23, 2020 19:49
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Uh that's why you don't let a party elect a racist rapist who's been working for the Republicans for his entire career, and if they do you punish them by delivering a historic loss. That's literally the only power that anyone has within the confines of electoralism to protect against candidates like Biden who promise that nothing will change if they're elected. Sorry, after seeing feds black bagging protestors and being vocal with plans to go nationwide with that strategy, I'd rather not do accelerationism.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:51
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Don't vote for rapists, ever, for any circumstance
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Jul 23, 2020 19:52
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Voting for a socialist party to replace the liberal one that led us here isn't accelerationist, it's just the only logical course of action.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:52
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World Famous W posted:Don't vote for rapists, ever, for any circumstance The nation is on fire, we don't have time for unrealistic nonsense.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:55
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Rigel posted:The nation is on fire, we don't have time for unrealistic nonsense.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:56
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Among those who say that we should vote biden because we can & should urge Biden to the left: * if you don't support primarying him after his first term, then you are insincere about shifting leftward. * if you do support primarying him after his term, the former group will fight to prevent that and is taking advantage of you.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:59
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Voting for a socialist party to replace the liberal one that led us here isn't accelerationist, it's just the only logical course of action. Are you a solipsist or something? It’s Not Happening, dude. There is a better future for the US that is possible but in no reality is it achieved by “everybody starts voting for the socialist party instead of the Democrats, all at once”. For like, a million reasons.
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Jul 23, 2020 20:03
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volts5000 posted:Sorry, after seeing feds black bagging protestors and being vocal with plans to go nationwide with that strategy, I'd rather not do accelerationism. The strategy is already nationwide, and has been for a long time. Hasn't anything to do with which fascist is decided upon in the presidential office.
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Jul 23, 2020 20:04
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Mellow Seas posted:Are you a solipsist or something? It’s Not Happening, dude. There is a better future for the US that is possible but in no reality is it achieved by “everybody starts voting for the socialist party instead of the Democrats, all at once”. For like, a million reasons. please explain why anyone should be swayed by an appeal to act utilitarianism
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Jul 23, 2020 20:05
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Mellow Seas posted:Are you a solipsist or something? It’s Not Happening, dude. There is a better future for the US that is possible but in no reality is it achieved by “everybody starts voting for the socialist party instead of the Democrats, all at once”. For like, a million reasons. This also goes to exhortations that voting for Biden is the only possible option. Biden held the second highest office in the land while these things were ongoing. There is a better future for the US that is possible but in no reality is it achieved by continuing to vote for the people who created this current reality.
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Jul 23, 2020 20:05
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Ruzihm posted:Among those who say that we should vote biden because we can & should urge Biden to the left: You are arguably voting against Trump. Voting for someone other than Biden is not mathematically the same as voting against Trump, it is essentially the same as leaving the top of the ballot blank and only voting downballot. (other than maybe getting greens above 5% if you think that is important, which its not because lol greens)
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Jul 23, 2020 20:08
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I actually do what to know if some of you actually believe drawing a line in the sand at voting for loving rapists is "nonsense".
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