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Suing Corbyn chat: What worries me is that there will be so much big money thrown at the I'm also pretty sure that they'll sue not on the anti-semitism thing but on something such as comments he may have made about Ware (I don't know what those may be as I haven't read the minutiae). I hope there'll be a crowdfunder for legal fees not that I can afford to contribute much.
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stev posted:Targeting him specifically seems like a... Batshit thing to do. From what I gather they're arguing that it wasn't a political decision and saying so was libel... So if corbyn wins then... that would mean it was, officially, proven in a court of law, a political decision? I guess presumably it will depend on whether what corbyn was told about the viability of the case was true and provable, and whether or not the labour party lawyers will just lie about it.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:47
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fundquote:Carole Morgan is organising this fundraiser.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:49
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The Question IRL posted:The first episode of the latest season of the Good Fight have the main character wake up in a world where Hillary is president. Stands to reason. When Obama got elected the vibe was "MLK got rid of the racism, and now a black man is president, we've double got rid of the racism. Problem solved, and we didn't even have to change any underlying issues."
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Jul 22, 2020 20:49
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I also forget if the UK still operates under that stupid rule where you can say something true about someone and it can still be libel if it hurts their little feefees.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:51
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Julio Cruz posted:you still haven't explained why reducing the number of dogs is going to solve the problem when the issue is not the dogs but the owners the remaining dogs aren't going to start making GBS threads more to make up the difference
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Jul 22, 2020 20:51
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah logically I know all that. I guess part of it is that the rest of the world doesn't. It hurts to be the butt of a society wide joke, even if I shouldn't give a poo poo Look at it this way: Corbyn should never have happened. Hell, the fact that they even let him be an MP is a miracle. The fact he survived the Blairite clearances is another. That we came so close despite everything in 2017 and the fact that the establishment press had to throw out any and all credibility to attack Corbyn in 2019 is something to be amazed by. Don't let the establishment dictate this defeat because we came closer than we ever thought possible and we scared the hell out of them. Remember they fear us, the fact they're still trying to stamp on the ashes proves that.
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OwlFancier posted:From what I gather they're arguing that it wasn't a political decision and saying so was libel But surely that would be libelling the labour party, not the whistleblowers?
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Jul 22, 2020 20:54
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I'm sure-ish that talk of sueing Corbyn is just hot air, so a crowdfunder seems a bit premature.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:54
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Pistol_Pete posted:I'm sure-ish that talk of sueing Corbyn is just hot air, so a crowdfunder seems a bit premature. Plenty of people on the left will have a spare £5 a month they didn't have before so he'd probably do ok if it did come to that. I very much hope it doesn't since no matter what the outcome it'll mean months of "Corbyn on trial for antisemitism" headlines.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:09
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Pistol_Pete posted:I'm sure-ish that talk of sueing Corbyn is just hot air, so a crowdfunder seems a bit premature. Plus I don't think Corbyn would take it.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:22
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Cerv posted:the remaining dogs aren't going to start making GBS threads more to make up the difference i think the best argument to limiting the dog population is probably around the environment with a capital E and the carbon footprint of breeding and feeding several generations of dogs over the lifetime of a single owner
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Jul 22, 2020 21:30
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Cerv posted:the remaining dogs aren't going to start making GBS threads more to make up the difference Stopping irresponsible people owning dogs is something that we've been struggling with since the lex Pesolania, whereas medium sized pressure vessels is something that we've pretty much got mastered. 
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Jul 22, 2020 21:34
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Fudge Update! Everything is now packed and will be shipping out tomorrow! Thanks to all who ordered- this has been the biggest month yet  One thing to note, now we’re in what passes for summer: The fudge is very soft in the warmer weather and will benefit from being refrigerated once received to be enjoyed at its best. Traditional display of the fudge throne follows. 
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Jul 22, 2020 21:40
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Pablo Bluth posted:To be fair, perhaps the intention might be to make a simple-to-prove offence. ie. criminalise there mere act of being here, so you don't have to the more difficult job of proving specific acts of spying or espionage (or provide evidence to courts you don't want to make public)? Yeah it's not as ridiculous as it sounds. The majority of the activities of foreign agents isn't actually spying, in either the traditional Minox-and-microfilm sense or the slipping anthrax into someone's coffee variety, it's building up and using influence. In days gone by this would be buying drinks around Westminster and Fleet Street, dropping off bags of used tenners at an anti-war group, that sort of thing - nothing that is actually illegal or even skirting the law. MI5 have traditionally been completely uninterested in this for a couple of reasons - that in an open society such things are impossible to police without fundamentally changing society, that they already had the ones likely to be a risk under surveillance ("risk" here being a *very* flexible term of course) and most importantly but most prosaically that it was never in their official remit. While they could investigate to ensure that the Official Secrets Act wasn't being broken, they couldn't actually tell, say, and MP not to have lunch once a fortnight with someone they knew to be a spy because it's not illegal to have lunch, even with a spy. If that spy is registered as a foreign agent then of course the MP has to actually register that they talked to them (something they don't have to do if they pay for their own lunch) and if the spy isn't registered then there's an offence that they can use to warn him off. An only barely-related story from the Cold War that just popped into my head - Oleg Gordievsky, for some time the most senior "official" KGB spy in the UK, met Tam Dalyell (a determinedly socialist and very anti-war MP) fairly regularly. MI5 should have been worried about that were it not for the fact that Gordievsky was actually working for MI6, and through him they knew that Dalyell was careful never to speak of anything that might be harmful to the UK but also his thick Scottish accent was almost impenetrable to the Russian, who padded out the "intelligence" he got from these meetings with stuff he copied from Hansard and newspapers. I only mention this to point out actually how poo poo most spying actually is - even if Gordievsky hadn't been turned he'd not have really got anything at all from all his activities.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:41
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Suing Corbyn chat: As I said on Twitter, if he crowdfunds it, thousands of people suddenly have 4 quid a month available to contribute.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:42
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Cerv posted:the remaining dogs aren't going to start making GBS threads more to make up the difference Not how it works though, is it? Almost all dog owners *do* clean up after their dogs, randomly removing 10% of them from the pool stands very little chance of catching the shitters. In fact the sort of person who's enough of a dickhead to not pick up after their dog is if anything more likely to just ignore whatever registration/licensing requirements you put on dog ownership. So you've just hosed up thousands of lives, criminalised a load of innocent people, given the old bill one more reason to go poking around in people's lives, and not actually solved the problem. Have you considered becoming a Labour SPAD?
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Jul 22, 2020 21:46
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Given that we now know the security services are doing bugger-all to monitor and counter people spying on the Uk, I don't see what difference another law's going to make.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:52
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It makes foreign people people who are active in left wing groups easier to deport because they didn't declare that they were here to destroy the country.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:53
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If this does become a thing I'd definitely contribute, but given all the scams on GoFundMe I'd be a bit leery about giving money to someone this early. Especially if  https://redcarandcleveland.mycouncillor.org.uk/cllr-carole-morgan/
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Jul 22, 2020 21:54
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Corbyn earns an MP salary he doesn't need a go fund me for a lawyer.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:56
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RockyB posted:If this does become a thing I'd definitely contribute, but given all the scams on GoFundMe I'd be a bit leery about giving money to someone this early. Is she the same person do you know? The Carole Morgan on the fundraiser states she is from Ryde, South East England. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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Jul 22, 2020 21:58
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Gonzo McFee posted:Corbyn earns an MP salary he doesn't need a go fund me for a lawyer. He probably gives a lot of it away so he probably hasn't got much except for the 'million pound house'. (I have no proof of that other than what he was like years ago.)
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Jul 22, 2020 21:59
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Gonzo McFee posted:Corbyn earns an MP salary he doesn't need a go fund me for a lawyer. An MP salary isn't exactly millions. Lawyers are insanely expensive and he already lives in a steep area.
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Jul 22, 2020 22:02
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This guy threatening to sue corbyn, if he goes through with it, will almost certainly lose. This is classic overreaching hubris and it will backfire. In semi-related news, these past few months living back with the folks have really made it depressingly clear how much many (especially older) people are completely ideologically indoctrinated by the liberalism underpinning the BBC etc, even when they mean well and aren't at all conservative-aligned. Listening to them comment on how the predictably catastrophic consequences of each piece of government policy is 'daft' as if it's somehow a mistake and not working exactly as intended has me wanting to yell 'join the loving dots'. It's exhausting.
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Jul 22, 2020 22:03
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Have you tried, it might be cathartic.
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Jul 22, 2020 22:21
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Not how it works though, is it? Almost all dog owners *do* clean up after their dogs, randomly removing 10% of them from the pool stands very little chance of catching the shitters. Catching the shitters wasn't the goal, reducing the public poo poo burden was. quote:So you've just hosed up thousands of lives, criminalised a load of innocent people, given the old bill one more reason to go poking around in people's lives As with reducing dogshit littering, there are more ways to discourage dog ownership than just saying 'punish the guilty'. More help for people to get their dogs fixed, for example, and a pr campaign against multiple dog ownership. I'd like to see if shared pet schemes or 'pet a dog/cat' centres could help, especially since a lot of us cannot have pets now because landlords .
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Jul 22, 2020 22:26
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OwlFancier posted:Have you tried, it might be cathartic. In slightly more restrained language. It doesn't help.
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Jul 22, 2020 22:30
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ThomasPaine posted:This guy threatening to sue corbyn, if he goes through with it, will almost certainly lose. This is classic overreaching hubris and it will backfire. Yesterday my mother and one of my brothers (a very leftwing one) came round (all socially distanced etc*) so my brother and I had a good old leftie rant about the government, brexit etc and my mum was tuning in. She asked 'but how do you know all this?' (she knows neither of us watch mainstream news and just can't get her head round how we know what's going on). *btw we wore masks throughout except for the exact time they were drinking their tea / coffee and we had no problem with conversing even though my mother is a bit deaf.
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Oh dear me posted:Catching the shitters wasn't the goal, reducing the public poo poo burden was.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Plus I don't think Corbyn would take it. He donated the money that was raised to get him a bike for his birthday a few years back didn't he?
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Oh dear me posted:I didn't say across the board or anything like that. There are lots of different ways we might look at reducing the total number of dogs owned over time. Concocting a complex scheme to reduce total dog numbers owned over time is such a wierdo loving thing to even think about my dude, glad people have called you out on it but the UK disproportionately loves dogs, all pets honestly, it's legitimately a part of the national character and domestic dogs are loving amazing, even if it's only to support a tertiary service sector and concretely reduce depression rates in elderly and disabled people, but we also punch above our weight internationally with racing dogs, service dogs, dog training for TV/cinema poo poo and we have lower levels of animal cruelty that I can't prove is a result of but obviously is a result of a culture that disproportionately loves pets. Put in more dog-poo poo bins rather than going after the total number of pups seems the way. gh0stpinballa posted:what makes it all worse is knowing we got beaten by the rosie duffields, laura Ks, james bollocks and sam matthews. like are they that good or are we that bad. The thing about those Whatsapp chats we saw was I had this lingering fear that The Thick Of It was accurate, and actually these prick MPs and internal party figures were sharp-witted, clever and funny and there was an element of meritocracy to the whole business, but there simply isn't, we've seen the chats they're just cruel dullards. Their only qualification for their roles is shamelessness and a willingness to just not care about the poor, which makes perfect sense within the superstructural take that is by far the most logically consistent, that the right of Labour and the broader establishment institutions are trying to preserve the systemic passive income streams of the rich. They aren't good, they're just nasty little cogs in a very powerful machine, and we aren't bad, we're just the (good, brave, handsome) idiots that believe a better world is possible enough to resist that machine. There's tactical arguments obviously, next time we gain any power we should purge for one, but don't for a moment concieve of this as a basically fair football game where the better side took it. We drat near won in 17, objectively would have without the internal interference and the material conditions are on our side, they're scared of us and for good reason. This would be a terrible time to give up. Gonzo McFee posted:It's like being trapped in a play where the fourth wall is broken and everyone carries on regardless. Yeah this. Exactly this, if you take everything at face value it's completely loving incoherent. Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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^^^ The Thick of It is about right, except they all think they're Malcom Tucker when they're actually Chris Addison. ThomasPaine posted:This guy threatening to sue corbyn, if he goes through with it, will almost certainly lose. This is classic overreaching hubris and it will backfire.
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The Question IRL posted:The wall was built by the developers who made the housing estate. It faces onto our land, but technically it might be part of the houses in the same way that if you buy a house in a housing estate you get the back garden. that's a pretty high wall! i thought the kids were just vaulting over it. go for the anticlimb paint then, you run less risk of being prosecuted than if you topped the wall with broken glass and razor wire as long as you arent caught doing it. apparently you just need to paint the top foot or so according to https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q726.htm
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That went well then: Ian McNicol to sue the Labour Party over the leaked report. Hoping for his share of the cash I suppose. https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1286061890859405312?s=20
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I mean I'm going to sue if they're just giving out big cash prizes for poo poo they could win. Also lol Michael Gove's goth daughter hates him. https://twitter.com/mrjoshz/status/1285885928381317120?s=19
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WhatEvil posted:She actually looks a lot like Michael Gove. It's unsettling to see that on a young, female face. Lol you saw she was seventeen after you posted eh
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Gonzo McFee posted:Corbyn earns an MP salary he doesn't need a go fund me for a lawyer. Even earning 80k before tax, a legal bill for a few hundred thousand if he fights it and loses will still gently caress you right up. It looks like the other whistleblowers are joining the action also. At least he can fall back on the MP pension if the worst comes to the worst. Prince John fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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