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MomJeans420 posted:Interesting theory if I'm reading this right - a huge portion of their accounts receivable balance is unpaid regulatory credits because their EU demand has collapsed and it may gently caress over FCA? I think the 40% number was on the Tesla call today, but I also don't trust Musk to not just pull numbers out of his rear end I'm dumb, what crimes has musk commited now?
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wargames posted:I'm dumb, what crimes has musk commited now? some variety of carbon credit fraud they're alleging my very shaky understanding is they have commitments to sell <x> number of zero emission vehicles, for which they'll receive <x> number of regulatory credits, and they've sold the hypothetical credits to other manufacturers already and booked the revenue. they may or may not have actually sold the cars that begat the credits in the first place, and they haven't actually received the money they've claimed as revenue infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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infernal machines posted:some variety of carbon credit fraud they're alleging lol
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at least he's trying!!!!
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I'm not knowledgeable on accounting rules for public companies so I can't say if it's illegal or just pushing the rules (if that), but my understanding for the EU credits is that they're pooled by year so Tesla and FCA have to agree to pool for all of 2020. I could be wrong on that, and who knows what the actual contract between the two companies says in terms of all sorts of issues that may arise. It sounds like they expect to recognize a much smaller amount of regulatory credits for the second half of 2020, so what I think is happening is Tesla has taken whatever FCA would owe them in Q3 and Q4 and pulled a lot of it forward to Q2 in order to post a profit, which is why their accounts receivable grew by a large amount (FCA is not going to pay Tesla until they actually sell those cars, or that's the theory at least). Tesla's disclosure statements say this: We recognize revenue on the sale of automotive regulatory credits at the time control of the regulatory credits is transferred to the purchasing party as automotive revenue in the consolidated statement of operations. What the that actually means, who knows? It certainly looks like they're not being paid for these credits at the moment.
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i think this is another case of "sure, it's shady as hell, but is it actually fraud?"
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lol he's kiting carbon credits
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https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1286059519315976192
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so like under $15/hour once benefits are accounted for
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qirex posted:so like under $15/hour once benefits are accounted for significantly under, ever looked at a "total compensation" statement?
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hobbesmaster posted:significantly under, ever looked at a "total compensation" statement? I have but I'm guessing it won't be actual good benefits seems like a stretch in texas where there's tons of actual industrial jobs that pay significantly better
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qirex posted:seems like a stretch in texas where there's tons of actual industrial jobs that pay significantly better
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qirex posted:I have but I'm guessing it won't be actual good benefits i don't know poo poo from shinola down there, but couldn't you work as a labor monkey at an oil refinery and earn at least a high 5 figs?
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qirex posted:I have but I'm guessing it won't be actual good benefits even crap benefits would eat up half of that looks like the gm plant in arlington pays their line workers between $20 and $30 an hour in actual money and the toyota plant in san antonio seems to be a little bit higher than that at $25-35, but that might be outdated
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Roosevelt posted:i don't know poo poo from shinola down there, but couldn't you work as a labor monkey at an oil refinery and earn at least a high 5 figs? yes, i've done that work and it's fairly dangerous but pays well for unskilled labor and then once you do the training to become a plant operator it's like white collar good and you're set
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Roosevelt posted:i don't know poo poo from shinola down there, but couldn't you work as a labor monkey at an oil refinery and earn at least a high 5 figs? oil is very cyclical and its currently in a down part so good luck getting hired
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infernal machines posted:i think this is another case of "sure, it's shady as hell, but is it actually fraud?" thats a decent portion of enrons early years until the fraud snowballed into the collapse of the company. just lots of increasingly daring moves to push the envelope with fancy numbers, which tesla seems intent on mimicking to the fullest degree with no lessons learned and more public fumbling
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i only ever male it about 40% of the way through the enron book but even then it was just one clever bad move after another. tesla is that minus the dozen or so senior execs trying to outmaneuver for paydays and one ceo filing all those roles in the story
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oil also means you have to live in houston.
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he's such a piece of poo poo.
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There is no way to become a multiplanitary species without first filling the sky with garbage and making our planet uninhabitable.
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if I don't see computers everywhere how am I to remember that technology is everywhere
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reminder that the current starlink satellites are broken and can never fulfill the original mission goals. they are literally missing parts needed to execute the idea. they are actual space junk.
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Jonny 290 posted:reminder that the current starlink satellites are broken and can never fulfill the original mission goals. they are literally missing parts needed to execute the idea. they are actual space junk. Can I get a source on this? I have a fanboy I want to sandbag with FACTS and LOGIC I do know they got slapped down by the FCC for misrepresenting theoretical latencies. Is there anything on provable bandwidth?
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I'm actually steamed whenever I remember that some jagoff sent a bunch of trash into space and the global community's space agencies couldn't slap a fine on his rear end so big it'd drop his hairline back.
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Jonny 290 posted:reminder that the current starlink satellites are broken and can never fulfill the original mission goals. they are literally missing parts needed to execute the idea. they are actual space junk. on the plus side, maybe it's a moral imperative to instigate kessler syndrome so that we never make it off this rock and pollute space with our brand of horrorcapitalist culture like, 'alien' was just as much about the evils of spacecapitalism as aliens (arguably way more)
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marky z wants you to put your whole life on facebook but he bought the four houses surrounding his house so that no one can see where he actually lives elon musk wants you to put your life in the hands of his carputers but he won't even connect his oven to the wifi hmmmmmmmmmmm
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Not a Children posted:Can I get a source on this? I have a fanboy I want to sandbag with FACTS and LOGIC i'm not sure what you want for a source exactly, they were sold as being able to mesh route between sats (see: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/elon-musk-starlink-space-simulation/), as of this date they cannot https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/26/tech/spacex-starlink-elon-musk-tweet-gwynne-shotwell/index.html posted:The 60 satellites that we already flew are capable of operations, but the next version will have upgraded technology.* By late next year, we'll be flying satellite with lasers that allow them to talk to each other in space and share data, which ensures customers will never lose service. *i.e. not any of the versions they've launched to date the fcc's skepticism is warranted because their latency claims appear to assume there are zero hops other than ground to orbit and back, and the latency is only time-of-flight to/from orbit, both of which are untrue the bandwidth will be a function of the bandwidth per sat and the number of users per sat, which given their orbits will probably be all over the place, so i don't know of anything that isn't purely hypothetical. suffice it to say anyone making calculations showing more than a few mbps is making some wholly unfounded assumptions based on musk's marketing bullshit. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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The Little Death posted:I actually remember reading a sci-fi novel where people get neural wetware istalled as kids so that their neural systems are able to adapt. It even had the hormone regulator function, so you could tune down things like anger and fear when they weren't useful to you. so-called "poors": 95% of them have neural implants
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Am I right in saying that not only is their laser-meshed sattelite network not on the Starlink sats, but it's not currently a thing that's been shown to work at all? There's no ground based test mesh that has shown you can wirelessly send a piece of data from one moving node to any other node across the constantly shifting network at high speed and minimal latency? In which case they've launched temporary sattelites that are just waiting to fall back down becauce they don't have a necessary technology on board because it doesn't actually exist yet. They explain by telling you it's all fine, this is for the greater good and you should just pretend that these things actually do something other than clutter up part of the earth's orbit. I am wondering if this would actually be any better than cables at ground level or if they're just doing it because they can and not because they should. For any normal tech company, I would assume that the majority of this kinda works and has been shown to be a real improvement in some regard if they had progressed to actually launching sattelites, especially sattelites that have to be constantly renewed. But this isn't a normal tech company, and I could fully believe Musk is firing off sattelites just to look like he's doing something and inflate his own ego.
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TheDarkFlame posted:Am I right in saying that not only is their laser-meshed sattelite network not on the Starlink sats, but it's not currently a thing that's been shown to work at all? There's no ground based test mesh that has shown you can wirelessly send a piece of data from one moving node to any other node across the constantly shifting network at high speed and minimal latency? In which case they've launched temporary sattelites that are just waiting to fall back down becauce they don't have a necessary technology on board because it doesn't actually exist yet. They explain by telling you it's all fine, this is for the greater good and you should just pretend that these things actually do something other than clutter up part of the earth's orbit. stationary point to point optical links are possible, and mesh networks are possible, but no, to my knowledge no one has done mobile optical point to point links, certainly not multiple point to point links to/from multiple transceivers to create a mesh*, and i'm not aware of any globe spanning meshes with tens of thousands of nodes, so there's no precedent for them claiming they have some way of doing low latency mesh routing at that scale *all the fanfic about starlink shows each sat connected to at least four others infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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it's just pointing four lasers on a washing-machine-sized satellite to hit and track four other washing-machine-sized satellites 600 miles away going 17,000 miles an hour sometimes in the opposite direction, michael. how hard could it be?
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https://twitter.com/CoverDrive12/status/1286398839461642244 lol what a scam
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Sagebrush posted:it's just pointing four lasers on a washing-machine-sized satellite to hit and track four other washing-machine-sized satellites 600 miles away going 17,000 miles an hour sometimes in the opposite direction, michael. how hard could it be? much like bitcoin, once the problem has been identified, it's basically solved
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