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I was reading some Shigurui last night, and this series seriously hates that Iku lady. I think we're up to 3 gruesome mutilations now, and given she seems to have survived the third I'm expecting something else in the future. Everyone in this series is a terrible person. I think I like Irako the most of all the characters, just because he's directly "gently caress everyone, I'm ambitious" instead of wrapping up his extreme violence in a veneer of honor/bushido/whatever.
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Shigurui is amazing but I feel a bit queasy after every chapter. Blown away by the art and energy of it while simultaneously sickened by its content...the quintessential old school seinen experience...
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Jul 15, 2020 21:10
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That Works posted:Yeah I feel like the overall theme is really just to show how ultimately stupid Bushido is when you get down to it. I've read a few series that have been described that way but they all seem to come off to me more like 'The virtuous samurai has no choice but to perform evil acts at his lord's command, ah, what a tragic fate for a noble soul' than 'A philosophy that values loyalty over morality is really loving stupid when those demanding your loyalty are immoral'. Can you recommend one where the protagonist goes 'screw THIS' to Bushido and it's unequivocally presented as the right thing to do?
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Jul 16, 2020 00:02
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Mary Annette posted:I've read a few series that have been described that way but they all seem to come off to me more like 'The virtuous samurai has no choice but to perform evil acts at his lord's command, ah, what a tragic fate for a noble soul' than 'A philosophy that values loyalty over morality is really loving stupid when those demanding your loyalty are immoral'. Comedy answer? Gintama
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Jul 16, 2020 00:28
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The Fable is finally picking up and we're seeing some action. A great point to start reading, pretty fun so far.
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Jul 16, 2020 01:25
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Mary Annette posted:I've read a few series that have been described that way but they all seem to come off to me more like 'The virtuous samurai has no choice but to perform evil acts at his lord's command, ah, what a tragic fate for a noble soul' than 'A philosophy that values loyalty over morality is really loving stupid when those demanding your loyalty are immoral'. There's a difference between the opinions of the characters and what happens in the story, though. Like Shigurui has the members of this sword dojo defending the honor of their dojo and master, but they're also all portrayed as pretty terrible people. One part I liked just because it was relatively realistic is when Gennosuke has this scene where he's killing these guys bare-handed and getting their teeth stuck in his palms, and I thought that was just being done to show how hard he was hitting them, but then a couple chapters later his hand is all swollen and festering from an infection he got from the teeth that got stuck in his palm lol
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Jul 16, 2020 04:07
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Mary Annette posted:I've read a few series that have been described that way but they all seem to come off to me more like 'The virtuous samurai has no choice but to perform evil acts at his lord's command, ah, what a tragic fate for a noble soul' than 'A philosophy that values loyalty over morality is really loving stupid when those demanding your loyalty are immoral'. I mean this is literally Shigurui except the main characters don't go "screw this" to bushido. They follow it straight to hell and you get to see it happen step by unflinchingly loyal and bloody step.
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Jul 16, 2020 05:04
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That Works posted:Comedy answer? Gintama This also qualifies as a serious answer, incidentally.
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Jul 16, 2020 05:08
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Yeah, Gintama plays things straight just enough to have real heart.
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Jul 16, 2020 07:14
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Gintama is one of those series I keep hearing the name of but know nothing about.
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Mary Annette posted:I've read a few series that have been described that way but they all seem to come off to me more like 'The virtuous samurai has no choice but to perform evil acts at his lord's command, ah, what a tragic fate for a noble soul' than 'A philosophy that values loyalty over morality is really loving stupid when those demanding your loyalty are immoral'. I don't recall any character painted as noble in Death Frenzy. They're not trying to make samurai look like the good guys. Far from it.
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Jul 16, 2020 07:22
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Zerilan posted:Gintama is one of those series I keep hearing the name of but know nothing about. The basic gist of the setting: Take a standard bakumatsu period setting - Shinsengumi, a modernizing Japan, etc. Except instead of Matthew Perry knocking on Japan's door to demand open trade, aliens invaded and conquered Earth, turning Kyoto into a cosmopolitan megacity.
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Jul 16, 2020 07:48
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Tarezax posted:The basic gist of the setting: And everyone is some sort of funny idiot. Especially the Shinsengumi.
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Mary Annette posted:I've read a few series that have been described that way but they all seem to come off to me more like 'The virtuous samurai has no choice but to perform evil acts at his lord's command, ah, what a tragic fate for a noble soul' than 'A philosophy that values loyalty over morality is really loving stupid when those demanding your loyalty are immoral'. thats literally how blade of the immortal starts and a huge part of it is steeped in class warfare between people who have been hosed over by the societal standards and folks who represent the status quo also the villain is the government i guess
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Jul 16, 2020 08:52
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gintama is kind of like futurama, in that the setting is designed so as to be able to make jokes about the widest number of subjects. gintama has samurai jokes, it has modern pop culture jokes, it has sci-fi jokes, and boy howdy does it ever have shinsengumi jokes. the shinsengumi were never particularly impressive in life, but they have become beloved, near-mythical historical figures in japan. gintama really, really likes taking the piss out of that.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:gintama is kind of like futurama, in that the setting is designed so as to be able to make jokes about the widest number of subjects. gintama has samurai jokes, it has modern pop culture jokes, it has sci-fi jokes, and boy howdy does it ever have shinsengumi jokes. the shinsengumi were never particularly impressive in life, but they have become beloved, near-mythical historical figures in japan. gintama really, really likes taking the piss out of that. Don't think I really even knew who the shinsengumi were until reading Golden Kamuy but after being aware of who they are it became apparent pretty quickly how much a lot of manga love deifying their top members.
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Jul 16, 2020 10:49
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That Works posted:Comedy answer? Gintama Vincent Van Goatse posted:This also qualifies as a serious answer, incidentally. I recall starting and dropping Gintama as an anime pretty quick, maybe another chance is in order. AnonSpore posted:I mean this is literally Shigurui except the main characters don't go "screw this" to bushido. They follow it straight to hell and you get to see it happen step by unflinchingly loyal and bloody step. About 20 chapters in now, and you (and others) are right - it's assholes all the way down. Fereydun posted:thats literally how blade of the immortal starts and a huge part of it is steeped in class warfare between people who have been hosed over by the societal standards and folks who represent the status quo OK, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tips, everyone!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This also qualifies as a serious answer, incidentally. Yes but its a comedy  I actually just said comedy answer because Gintama was the only thing i could think of that really worked in that space. I shoulda thought of Blade of the Immortal too I guess. nerdz posted:The Fable is finally picking up and we're seeing some action. A great point to start reading, pretty fun so far. Yep its getting good Him apologizing to his 'sister' in the car in case he accidentally killed someone and complaining how hard it was to be nonlethal was cracking me the gently caress up.
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Zerilan posted:Don't think I really even knew who the shinsengumi were until reading Golden Kamuy but after being aware of who they are it became apparent pretty quickly how much a lot of manga love deifying their top members. Which makes Gintama even funnier because the Shinsengumi crew are hilarious and dumb af. e: Some of the same characters pop up in our favorite Valkyrie / Ragnarok manga going on right now. I think Gintama is one of those things that is funnier / easier to understand if you've watched a ton of other poo poo involving the same period. There's a lot of near/practically inside jokes that get lost if you are less familiar. The manga is maybe a better place to start for it tbh. gimme the GOD drat candy posted:gintama is kind of like futurama, in that the setting is designed so as to be able to make jokes about the widest number of subjects. gintama has samurai jokes, it has modern pop culture jokes, it has sci-fi jokes, and boy howdy does it ever have shinsengumi jokes. the shinsengumi were never particularly impressive in life, but they have become beloved, near-mythical historical figures in japan. gintama really, really likes taking the piss out of that. Yeah this is a great description, I didn't think about it being Futurama but that totally works. That Works fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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The Fable is so much fun -- tbh I've enjoyed the slice of life farting around parts just as much or more as the action bits. The "sister" messing with guys in the bar was so funny -- the faces she was making at the bartender had me rolling.
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Jul 16, 2020 16:27
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Someone is finally translating the rest of bambino secondo again and I vaguely remember people mentioning that the series is a flaming trash fire that goes from Italian cooking restaurant hi-jinks to some hardcore JPN nationalist stuff. Was that correct or am I mixing up some stuff?
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pentyne posted:Someone is finally translating the rest of bambino secondo again and I vaguely remember people mentioning that the series is a flaming trash fire that goes from Italian cooking restaurant hi-jinks to some hardcore JPN nationalist stuff. Was that correct or am I mixing up some stuff? I dropped the series when a character is killed by an umbrella but the story very much was going further and further away from a grounded cooking series which it started off as.
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Hi I scanlated the first series and about all I can say is that it went from being a series about a dude who works at a restaurant to being a series about a dude getting into crazy drama who happens to work at a restaurant Also yeah it does get some pretty strong nationalistic/xenophobic poo poo going in the second series
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It did? All I remember was the bad chef and the ninja hobo waiter wielding nunchucks while carrying a cat. e: It did have the passionate Mexican-American chef named Coyote Blades who lost his girlfriend on 9/11, and the Mafia cooking contest, but IIRC that was in the first series? Jo Joestar fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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I'm not sure I get what the invaders are in Dead Dead Demon's. Like Isobeyon talks about humans being mistaken about individual life, sort of implying that outside of Earth poo poo is kind of all Childhood's End, but his own actions and every perspective we've ever gotten from invaders shows that they are themselves individuals, every bit as capable of division and independent action as humans. I guess you could say he's supposed to be unreliable but it doesn't seem framed that way, it's more like he's supposed to be explaining a metaphysical concept that just doesn't quite make sense given what else we know.
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Jul 23, 2020 01:55
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New Berserk AND a new Apocalypse Zero? Happy Seinen Thursday
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We got a double shot of Shiori Experience as well.    Mitsuoka is so close to entering a different realm of music it's palpable. She just needs one more solid push to get her out of the routine and into the jam. ...  Push. Harder.
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Jul 23, 2020 16:32
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The Shiori Experience will end up dismantling every other award-winning program this school has.
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Jul 23, 2020 16:51
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Mitsuoka's mom is cool, I like her.
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Jul 23, 2020 16:59
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Mirage posted:The Shiori Experience will end up dismantling every other award-winning program this school has.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:50
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its always good day when a new chapter of THE HARD is released 
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Jul 24, 2020 00:09
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I don't know if that toilet was ready for that man.
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Jul 24, 2020 00:47
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One thing led to another and there's a new chapter of Shuumatsu no Valkyrie Fights faked out, Odin is a Furi fan, and Shiva is down to three arms. In defense of Lu Bu, he fought evenly with Thor who in terms of raw force seems to be way beyond what someone like Jack or Kojiro could have handled. Adam had a lot of hax in him so who knows with him.
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Hypocrisy posted:One thing led to another and there's a new chapter of Shuumatsu no Valkyrie quote:In defense of Lu Bu, he fought evenly with Thor who in terms of raw force seems to be way beyond what someone like Jack or Kojiro could have handled. Adam had a lot of hax in him so who knows with him.
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the first fight made it seem as though humans are innately weaker and more fragile than gods. but then every fight that followed essentially abandoned that premise. so, lu bu was just a chump.
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Jul 30, 2020 15:29
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Someones gotta job and lu bu is a pretty big deal to go jobbing.
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Lu "Worf" Bu
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Brought To You By posted:Lu Bu wasn't really even with Thor in the same way Raiden is here. Raiden can actually take blows from Shiva going by the damage at the end of this chapter and also dish it out going by his spectacular opening moves. Lu Bu's legs were broken the first time he blocked a strike from Thor and despite being called the strongest human we just found out that Raiden has basically been holding back his whole life. Lu Bu was blocking blows from Mjolnir just fine and blocked and countered Thor's Hammer without any trouble (we don't see exactly what happens but Lu Bu stayed close to slash Thor's chest so I don't think he dodged). Now, when Mjolnir "woke up" Lu Bu got his legs broken but it's not like Shiva has done more than toss out some punches and do a throw.   Results in... 
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