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To the theme experts out there, did Vampiro ever have a different version of this theme? https://youtu.be/cIrA3boAtbk I remember downloading a live version of it back in 2000 that was very similar but not as polished. It floundered a lot more before hitting the main riff. E: I guess I'll ask it now as well, how big a star was Vampiro in Mexico and why wasn't he as good in America?
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The Hogan ‘84 belt had a nameplate, and it and the ‘83-‘84 belt had the previous holders listed on the side plates. The 85 belt also had a nameplate (and a better engraving of the logo on the top). Hogan got like ten versions of the title belt. One had his picture on it. It was ridiculous.
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Yeah that period seemed like they couldn't find something they liked the look of on TV or wasn't instantly recognizable. Winged Eagle obviously was.
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Yep, prior to the Winged Eagle (and for Hogan having like ten different title belts through his reign, the one they settled on happened to debut the night they pulled the Andre/DiBiase angle on SNME; funny how that worked out), probably the most famous version of the belt was the Sammartino belt: Which itself was quite cool, the medallions on the sides had the info: his name on the medallion on the right, who he beat for it and when on the left one. Also the height made for a nice counterweight to the fact that Bruno was built like a gorilla (and probably hit as hard), just one wide, thick son of a bitch.
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Is Rey Horus related to Rey Mysterio (jr)? And is this correct... There's Rey Misterio Sr, followed by Rey Misterio Jr (his nephew). El Hijo de Rey Misterio is the son of the original Rey Misterio and Rey Horus is El Hijo de Rey Misterio II.
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Is Rey Horus related to Rey Mysterio (jr)? Rey Horus has said he is Rey Misterio Jr's cousin & Rey Misterio Sr's nephew. And yes, the original El Hijo was the legit son of Rey Sr & El Hijo II is Rey Horus.
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Smoking Crow posted:septiembre negro Another one I thought of was the Truth Commission, but I don't think anyone cared very much about them. Davros1 posted:Sheik was Col Mustafa, Sheik Adnan Al-Kasee became Gen Adnan. Also, Al-Kasee was a former WWF Tag Team Champ ... as the Native American wrestler Billy White Wolf. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jul 24, 2020 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Was he over, though? he tagged with dr wagner sr, so yes
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Smoking Crow posted:septiembre negro Los Talibanes formed right after 9-11.
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karmicknight posted:I think the assumption was that they would get their way and Alex Shelley's soul would belong to them. This makes me smile because it makes me picture Trips as Shang Tsung, which if he was like 5 years younger is something he totally would've done as a Mania entrance.
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Gaz-L posted:This makes me smile because it makes me picture Trips as Shang Tsung, which if he was like 5 years younger is something he totally would've done as a Mania entrance. I always thought HHH dressing up as Shao Khan was purely coincidence and not a Mortal Kombat thing. I just assumed he either saw an out of context image of Shao Khan or a Frank Frazetta style illustration of some buff dude with a skull helmet and thought I should dress up like that. The idea of HHH being really into MK 2 and 3 is really ridiculous to me. As for the Shang Tsung stuff, HHH totally would have done Asian face if he had the chance. Just imagine how racist HHH would have been if he had to build to a PPV against a Japanese wrestler during his reign of terror. The first 15 minutes of Raw for that month would have been nothing but HHH making "flied lice" style jokes and going "ah so" while banging a gong.
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Jul 25, 2020 15:36
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How quickly we forget dr hung lo
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I know it's not a universal truth or anything, but run time seems to be something of a bar to really getting highly rated as a match. I know Meltzer is what a lot of people go by, but what are some examples of really good matches relative to their length? Are there any 5+ star sprints?
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FakePoet posted:I know it's not a universal truth or anything, but run time seems to be something of a bar to really getting highly rated as a match. I know Meltzer is what a lot of people go by, but what are some examples of really good matches relative to their length? Are there any 5+ star sprints? eddie vs rey from halloween havoc is the first thing that comes to mind. i dont think dave gave it 5 but it's one that many people did
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FakePoet posted:I know it's not a universal truth or anything, but run time seems to be something of a bar to really getting highly rated as a match. I know Meltzer is what a lot of people go by, but what are some examples of really good matches relative to their length? Are there any 5+ star sprints? While he didn't rate it 5 stars, WWF fans grew up swearing Savage vs Steamboat was the best match of all time and it's under 15 minutes. Rey vs Eddy from Havoc 97 was under 14 minutes. There's a bunch of G1 matches that are all in the 5 star range and only ~15 minutes. The shortest actual five star match might be the Kobayashi vs Tiger Mask II match that's like 12 minutes? I think there's a 5 star trios match from AAA during it's hot period that was under 15 too and if anything would qualify as a sprint, peak Rey Mysterio Jr and Psicosis would! In terms of just a really short, great match, Jack Evans vs Abyss from ROH in the fall of 2005 is maybe 5 minutes long and it's great. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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I was sure Eddie/Rey from Havoc was sub-10? It's as close to a perfectly executed match as you'll see, like both guys perfectly on point, just hitting everything basically flawlessly. And if you want to go by Meltzer: Ishii/Shibata from the 2013 G1 got the full 5, runs like 9 mins, and is basically the start of Ishii being Mr G1.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:06
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Ishii/Shibata's legendary G1 2013 match was incredibly short and is a contender for match of the decade
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it didnt get 5 stars but the main event from All In is drat good
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i remember it being like 4:40am when ishii/shibata finished and there was a goon rush to the MOTYC thread to immediately nominate it before NJPW got big in the US
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Gaz-L posted:I was sure Eddie/Rey from Havoc was sub-10? It's as close to a perfectly executed match as you'll see, like both guys perfectly on point, just hitting everything basically flawlessly. 13:51 according to wikipedia it feels much shorter to watch though because it's so fast and so exciting
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Julio Cruz posted:13:51 according to wikipedia One of the instances of me disagreeing with Dave not giving ***** to a match. It is two great performers hitting everything in a perfect rhythm. No mistakes. No flaws. Another notable one is Danielson vs Morishima Fight Without Honor.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:53
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reminder that one man's subjective rating of a match is literally only one man's subjective rating of a match and caring much about those ratings is extremely pointless and dumb
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In the scope of what I guess you could call The Big Three of WCW Modern wrestling influencers - Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Rey Mysterio - could it be argued for, even though he is an unambiguous Hall of Famer, that Ultimo Dragon doesn't quite get his due? He's never mentioned as a comparison point to any modern wrestlers in that "he reminds me of Ultimo" but his fingerprints are all over modern wrestling, his proteges are Hall of Famers in their own right (most notably Okada and CIMA), and his style was different enough from The Big Three by combinging lucha with japanese style but he just seems to not get brought up as often or as commonly.
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Lid posted:In the scope of what I guess you could call The Big Three of WCW Modern wrestling influencers - Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Rey Mysterio - could it be argued for, even though he is an unambiguous Hall of Famer, that Ultimo Dragon doesn't quite get his due? He's never mentioned as a comparison point to any modern wrestlers in that "he reminds me of Ultimo" but his fingerprints are all over modern wrestling, his proteges are Hall of Famers in their own right (most notably Okada and CIMA), and his style was different enough from The Big Three by combinging lucha with japanese style but he just seems to not get brought up as often or as commonly. Dragon System heads are more likely to bring him up than WCW enthusiasts, since he didn't have the big Fed run that the other three had, but looking at the legacy of Toryumon it's hard to deny that he's up there.
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I think that's mostly because unlike the other three he didn't have much of a tenure in America. Most of the dialogue on wrestling legacy is still extremely western, and Ultimo only really had 1 1/2-2 years of being really active in WCW and most people don't even remember his WWE run, nor should they. His impact on the industry is absolutely massive, but most of that impact happened in Japan and it's only fairly recently with the WWE's fall from grace that the western wrestling market has started paying attention to Japan outside of hyper-enthusiasts.
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Lid posted:In the scope of what I guess you could call The Big Three of WCW Modern wrestling influencers - Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Rey Mysterio - could it be argued for, even though he is an unambiguous Hall of Famer, that Ultimo Dragon doesn't quite get his due? He's never mentioned as a comparison point to any modern wrestlers in that "he reminds me of Ultimo" but his fingerprints are all over modern wrestling, his proteges are Hall of Famers in their own right (most notably Okada and CIMA), and his style was different enough from The Big Three by combinging lucha with japanese style but he just seems to not get brought up as often or as commonly. um how dare you 
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FakePoet posted:I know it's not a universal truth or anything, but run time seems to be something of a bar to really getting highly rated as a match. I know Meltzer is what a lot of people go by, but what are some examples of really good matches relative to their length? Are there any 5+ star sprints? Regal vs. Flair Marquis of Queensbury five match series. They are some of the best 5 minute matches you will ever see.
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MassRafTer posted:While he didn't rate it 5 stars, WWF fans grew up swearing Savage vs Steamboat was the best match of all time and it's under 15 minutes. Why didn't Meltzer give Steamboat/Savage 5 stars?
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Red posted:Why didn't Meltzer give Steamboat/Savage 5 stars? because it wasn't a 5 star match
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Jul 26, 2020 18:22
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wrestling was so poor in the Fed at the time it really stood out, though
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Randaconda posted:wrestling was so poor in the Fed at the time it really stood out, though
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jesus WEP posted:this is 100% of why people think it’s a ***** match imo yeah, i saw it when it was still current, and even at that young age, I was like "...nwa is better"
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Looking at profightdb apparently William Regal had a match at Starrcade in 93 with Steamboat and it was no good???
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jesus WEP posted:Looking at profightdb apparently William Regal had a match at Starrcade in 93 with Steamboat and it was no good??? Ricky was just about done at that time, his back was shot, so I don't doubt it
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jesus WEP posted:this is 100% of why people think it’s a ***** match imo So many people at the time thought of it as amazing, I'd assumed Meltzer would as well.
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Red posted:So many people at the time thought of it as amazing, I'd assumed Meltzer would as well. Dave was watching poo poo from Japan, so he had higher standards, probably
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Randaconda posted:Dave was watching poo poo from Japan, so he had higher standards, probably i mean there was better wrestling happening right here in the states at the same time
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I'm guessing the George The Animal Steele involvement, and the roll up finish is why Dave didn't go 5. From what I could find he rated WarGames and two Flair/Windham matches above it that year and all I know is that I'd rather watch any of those instead of Savage vs Steamboat again.
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JOHN CENA posted:i mean there was better wrestling happening right here in the states at the same time true facts Midnight Express or Flair was probably putting on matches just as good every night (Twice on Sundays)
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