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AntherUslessPoster posted:I should stop angryposting. I mean, why? If you don't like it, don't watch it.
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It's still trek. It's all I dreamed of for over a decade. and I got what I wanted. Monkey paw or how is it called?
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Jul 25, 2020 21:31
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I'm cautiously optimistic towards Lower Decks, but I'm probably still going to wait to watch it until Discovery S3 is out as well. No sense in stringing the All Access sub out longer than I really have to.
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Jul 25, 2020 21:49
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AntherUslessPoster posted:It's still trek. It's all I dreamed of for over a decade. Even I think you're being a little nitpicky with the screen cap there bud, I mean the show will probably suck just given their track record so far but that's probably not why?
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Jul 25, 2020 21:54
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Lower Decks still has a chance to be good. Disco is rebooting itself this season and has been getting steadily better. Strange New Worlds is happening and has a good chance of kicking rear end. They might lose all footage of Picard in a hard drive failure. See? Some well timed positivity for the thread.
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Jul 25, 2020 22:00
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Yeah, Disco has a chance of being capital-S Solid this season. I’m sure it’ll still be a complete mess, but at least they finally recognized that the timeline was a huge drag on what they could do. Launch that poo poo into the future and go nuts. - Strange New Worlds has potential and we already know the cast is great. - Lower Decks looks like hot summer landfill garbage covered in overstock Rick & Morty LootCrate boxes, but it’ll be easy to ignore and there’s no rule saying you have to watch every minute of Star Trek. - Prodigy will probably also be garbage but it’s also not being made for anyone posting in this thread so  - Picard uh... might have Guinan? - The Orville isn’t cancelled and will probably return sometime this decade.
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Jul 25, 2020 22:07
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I wish Disco wasn't apparently doing the Save The Whole Federation thing again but I'm none the less hopeful for some reason The animated stuff seems fine from what we've seen
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Jul 25, 2020 22:16
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Yeah, Disco has a chance of being capital-S Solid this season. I’m sure it’ll still be a complete mess, but at least they finally recognized that the timeline was a huge drag on what they could do. Launch that poo poo into the future and go nuts. Like I said before, as far as Positive Uplifting Fun Trek, my highest hopes are actually pinned on Prodigy.
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Jul 25, 2020 22:58
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As a Canadian I guess I’m tied to CraveTV again. Cancelled as soon as Picard was over but I’ll hit the $10/mo again to watch Lower Decks. Wonder if Disco would hit before Lower Decks ends..
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Jul 25, 2020 23:31
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Ramadu posted:are all of you grandpas or something  )Never seen Rick & Morty, but does it have the same frenetic "somethingmustbehappeningeverysinglesecond" pace as the Lower Decks clip?
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Jul 26, 2020 00:01
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The Bloop posted:I wish Disco wasn't apparently doing the Save The Whole Federation thing again but I'm none the less hopeful for some reason Yeah the whole "everyone forgot what the federation is we need to remind them" from the war crimes crew does not leave me optimistic for this season.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:16
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Payndz posted:As of last year, er, yeah. (Came as a shock to me as my son's only five, but that's the wonder of stepchildren! From what I have seen of Lower Decks (the original trailer, and maybe one other scene), no I would not say that was inherited from Rick and Morty. I would blame the writers and actors on doing a bad job. I have seen the first maybe 3 seasons of Rick and Morty and while I really enjoy it (the fans are bad), Lower Decks seemed much worse and strangely hyperactive.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:26
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I admit I do feel like the ending gag in Lower Decks would've landed way better if she'd just stabbed him instead of weirdly gratuitously slicing him. It distracts.
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Jul 26, 2020 00:41
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Yeah, that was really off-putting.
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Jul 26, 2020 03:00
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Isn't "we're in the future and the good Federation has collapsed" the premise of Kevin Sorbo's Scifi show?
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8one6 posted:Isn't "we're in the future and the good Federation has collapsed" the premise of Kevin Sorbo's Scifi show? Yup. Discovery season 3 is going to be Andromeda in the same way Picard was Mass Effect.
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Jul 26, 2020 05:12
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i'm watching Vikings and realizing if you just replaced the vikings with klingons and set the show during their first forays off of Qo'nos, you'd have a really fuckin great star trek show
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Jul 26, 2020 05:18
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:i'm watching Vikings and realizing if you just replaced the vikings with klingons and set the show during their first forays off of Qo'nos, you'd have a really fuckin great star trek show Arglebargle III posted:yeah [Monkey's paw grows another finger which then curls.]
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Jul 26, 2020 06:11
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8one6 posted:[Monkey's paw grows another finger which then curls.] then it just flips us all off as hard as possible
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Jul 26, 2020 06:32
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Brawnfire posted:then it just flips us all off as hard as possible The middle finger never goes down, it just grows a new finger to curl instead.
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Doggles posted:Yup. Discovery season 3 is going to be Andromeda in the same way Picard was Mass Effect.
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Jul 26, 2020 07:37
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Andromeda lost it's way after it's first season and never recovered IIRC
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Jul 26, 2020 08:16
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Tighclops posted:Andromeda lost it's way after it's first season and never recovered IIRC It's about series 3 that it goes weird, when Sorbo got more control over it.
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Jul 26, 2020 08:21
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One of the things I'm most interested in when it comes to Disco season 3 is how much they will reference existing canon, and how much will just be completely new stuff. The 31st century is a long time from the Picard era, the stories and treaties of that time should be no more relevant to 31st century people than World War 1 is to the people of the 24th century. Like will they even reference stuff like the time ships? Will we see run down hulks of stuff more advanced than the Enterprise-J? I'm expecting it to be a fairly pedestrian "Federation got over-extended, fell apart, sad" storyline, but it would be wild if they surprised us with something like things falling apart due to much of the Federation population developing to the point of becoming proto-Q style beings, and loving off out of the affairs of mortals, with those left behind because they were either unwilling or unable to advance being in a Sci-Fi themed post-Rapture state.
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Jul 26, 2020 08:23
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It's going to be a ham handed Trump allegory where they have to teach the Federation to be good libs instead of bad nativists again. If we're lucky we might even get a baddie faction which literally says Make The Federation Great Again
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Tighclops posted:Even I think you're being a little nitpicky with the screen cap there bud, I mean the show will probably suck just given their track record so far but that's probably not why? It's a small detail (among others) that just...doesn't fit, you know? Like many things didn't fit with PIC and DIS. The premise, the way the gore was shown (here have a really rick and morty close up) like someone mentioned up there^ they could have just made it a bloody stab. The posterior humor, all other inconsistencies. Member how we were rolling in Picard's 'slightly off putting' things, hoping it will get a somewhat proper closure, that it all would make sense, so all that stuff would have a purpose and will be redeemed by at least the storyline? So after inconsistencies in two seasons of DIS, after how PIC was a ME ripoff with dubious (at best) writing I just can't keep my expectations high enough. I will watch it and I want to hope it can be at least enjoyable above Icheb's eye gore closeup before title credits roll, but talking of hope there is little. I don't want to hate it like RLM preemptively hated PIC because we know nothing but between goofy characters, specific animation and trailered gore it's just trying too hard to be something other than trek. Again, I would LOVE to be wrong (I hope I am) and they are just 'planting hooks' to attract a wider audience and will try to pull an Orville under this premise and become a better Trek than DIS is. Erulisse fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Jul 26, 2020 08:55
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AntherUslessPoster posted:It's a small detail (among others) that just...doesn't fit, you know? Like many things didn't fit with PIC and DIS. wouldn't want gore in my trek *removes eyeballs* im gonna say you're freaking out way too hard and should maybe take a break from trek if a drunk batleth injury is causing this level of meltdown
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Jul 26, 2020 09:22
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AntherUslessPoster posted:It's a small detail (among others) that just...doesn't fit, you know? Like many things didn't fit with PIC and DIS. you're giving this more thought than this deserves man don't worry abandon all hope now is the time of screams
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Jul 26, 2020 09:28
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I thought discovery and Picard were both great, looking forward to more.
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I haven't seen Picard - just the RLM review. But Icheb's eyeball getting ripped out is a bridge too far. There is no situation where I want to watch a person strapped down and their eyeball being removed (okay, maybe a medical show, maybe). You're leaving sci-fi at that point and heading into the gore genre. Talk about it? Yeah sure. Imply it and cut away? Gross, but tolerable if there's a good reason. Show it in detail? Turning that show off. I'm not a genre purist, but I don't know why some people think it's acceptable to shove realistic gore into other types of show - it's not okay to shove pornography in unexpectedly, why violence?
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just lol if you have a problem with watching a child strapped down and stabbed in the eye with a fork. that was such a good decision it proves CBS is a television genius
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Tighclops posted:Andromeda lost it's way after it's first season and never recovered IIRC Yep. It had a great premise and amazing worldbuilding out of the gate as well as cool, new designs and strong characters. The idea that they would go on an episodic journey to different degenerated former The problem was they abandoned that fast, and decided to say "Whelp, good job Captain Hercules, you fixed the Commonwealth and it's totally restored and you can do other stuff now!"  I have no illusions that DISCO will do the same because episodic tv is not in vogue and seasons of that would not be possible from a modern storytelling mode. Not to mention they burn through arcs fast. If we're lucky we'll get a season of "Michael fixes the Federation" but more than likely it will be a half season arc.Senor Tron posted:One of the things I'm most interested in when it comes to Disco season 3 is how much they will reference existing canon, and how much will just be completely new stuff. The 31st century is a long time from the Picard era, the stories and treaties of that time should be no more relevant to 31st century people than World War 1 is to the people of the 24th century. I see them pulling an Enterprise: they will be so tempted to just show Star Trek aesthetic that they won't be able to extrapolate things to be very different. Just like Archer's ship had viewscreens, shield/phaser/torpedo analogues and they couldn't get through the run without bringing in Borgs and transporters. It's Star Trek writer/designer crutches. You have to give the TNG designers credit--they really took the Kirk movie designs and pushed them forward a century. Even the Enterprise J showed some wild ideas for a split second. But the 29th century timeships of Voyager and their uniforms tech, bridge etc didn't scream "500 years IN THE FUTURE." DISCO also has the issue that they insisted in making their tech look cool and futuristic to us. They went in assuming a modern tv audience would tune out if it looked like the clunky 60s tech of The Cage and not the sleek JJprise world of hypermodern interfaces, tiny handheld and wearable tech, and skintight uniforms. Period pieces are lame, nobody watched that dumb Mad Men show, amirite! So now not only do they have to make it look 900 years ahead of TOS and 800 years ahead of Voyager, they have to make it look that far ahead (or at least 700 years, assuming degeneration after the 29th century) of DISCO and STP which both look hundreds of years ahead of TOS-Voyager. From the clips we;ve seen, they will not pull it off.
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Strong Convections posted:I haven't seen Picard - just the RLM review. But Icheb's eyeball getting ripped out is a bridge too far. It was necessary to convey the artist's true vision by doing the writing for a season arc show on the fly with each episode being filmed as soon as it's written. That way, if they decide something doesn't make sense for the arc they can't change it, but at least CBS saves money, and then the eyeball gore shows they care about the artistic process
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Strong Convections posted:it's not okay to shove pornography in unexpectedly, why violence? that TNG porn with the picard impersonator was a way better star trek show than picard
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Jul 26, 2020 15:48
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Well yeah, it was made by people who actually like Star Trek.
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Jul 26, 2020 15:58
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Strong Convections posted:I haven't seen Picard - just the RLM review. But Icheb's eyeball getting ripped out is a bridge too far. Fun fact: Star Trek isn't the first popular-with-kids show to feature sudden eyeball removal out of nowhere. On an episode of Invader Zim, rated TV-Y7 (i.e. suitable for ages 7 and up), a kid got his eyeballs ripped out of his screaming head. They were immediately replaced by new robot eyes, the whole thing was kept more cartoony than gory, and it was shown only in silhouette. But still, to this day I'm astounded that Jhonen and company got away with this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbL2vhGQqGI
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galenanorth posted:It was necessary to convey the artist's true vision by doing the writing for a season arc show on the fly with each episode being filmed as soon as it's written. That way, if they decide something doesn't make sense for the arc they can't change it, but at least CBS saves money, and then the eyeball gore shows they care about the artistic process I've always struggled with the avant-garde. Is it a comment that the artistic process itself can be incredibly painful for both the artist and the observer - the artist literally giving part of themselves while the audience looks on, disgusted?
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[edit: This post contains a link to an interview with a crew member trying to justify the violent eyeball-pulling scene with Icheb, and also spoilers for a major plot twist in the middle of Picard's first season.] https://www.indiewire.com/2020/02/star-trek-picard-twist-most-violent-scene-icheb-seven-of-nine-1202212586/ “For a lot of reasons, it made sense that Bruce Maddox would not make it through this episode,” episode writer and supervising producer Kirsten Beyer said. “The most important part was Jurati’s relationship to him and what it says about how committed she is to the mission she’s been assigned.” Rather than just adding another new character in a show already packed with new characters to keep track of, Beyer realized when breaking the story for “Stardust City Rag” it would be more interesting to use this MacGuffin of a character as a way of enriching Jurati. ----- four episodes in, "gotta find Bruce Maddox" over and over, only to kill him right after he's found because they have 'too many characters to keep track of'. Keeping him on the ship and just having him quietly play board games or use the Holodeck most of the time and having him help Rios with repairing the ship would have been an option, since it's not like everyone needs an arc. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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I wonder if that scene was inspired by this cheerful little film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjgHbRrnjhU (7:48 specifically)
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