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trucutru posted:Need.... link, pronto. Yeah it’s all on the RLM thread. Literally thousands of people have tried to talk sense into him. It’s loving wild. I usually don’t pay attention to Twitter, but this is just hilarious, it’s like a microcosm of the year 2020.
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Trilobite posted:Also, as revealed in an earlier interview, Chris's biggest frustration as a manager is that sometimes when he tells a so-called "expert" to do something, that person gives him a long list of reasons why "it can't be done." And obviously, the only reason they keep saying that to him is because they don't know as much as he does and just want to tell him no, when they should be carefully watching his hands move around as he explains what he wants and then going and making it happen. “That is someone who has their preconceived notions and will settle for something that isn't good enough. The first and the third-person, there were a lot of people on the team who said that you cannot do it. They said it wasn't possible. Illfonic [the contractor building Star Marine] said the same thing. The same with the character stuff: I said we need to do it. And the inventory… it happens right now in [version] 2.4. You can put jackets and trousers on, and caps. There's layering with the armour. So everything that that person told you that couldn't happen, it's all in the game now and it's all at the quality [I asked for]. We've got as good or better than what 1886 has. “That is an example of people saying 'No, I can't do it' and fighting that corner. They are the people I don't get on with and they are the people who end up not being at the company… If I was going to be clichéd, if it was an American person I'd say I want an Ameri-can, not an Ameri-can't. I want someone who tries [...] because we absolutely can do it. We’re trying to do something that has the fidelity that you see in The Order, or has the fidelity you see in a first-person shooter but has multiplayer online and this huge universe and I absolutely, to the very fibre of my being, know it can happen. “It's not easy. I think the difference between a great game and an okay game is people that try to do the hard things. It's the JFK speech about going to the moon: We do it because it's hard, not because it's easy. That's what I expect from the team and if the pushback is 'Well, I didn't do this when I was working at this other company', then, well, here we're trying to push it a bit more and if you can't get on board then you're probably not right for the team. I'm sure that I'm not the only game creator who is in that situation occasionally.”
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„Well no you don't have to, but if you would have any clue about game dev you would know that 300M$ is nothing for developing two games from scratch. Development of GTA V cost 265$, marketing not even included. Rockstar started with an existing studio and a foundation (GTA IV) on which they could build on. For the scale that SC is aiming for, expect this to be a project costing well over a billion USD in the end. Regarding the development time: GTA V took five years to develop. Now remember what I just wrote: It's building upon GTA IV. Still wondering why development of SC took 8 years already? Same goes for Ubisoft and EA by the way. Most of the code and assets in their games is used over and over again. This is why they can pump out a couple of "AAA" games per year...“ 
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Star Citizen fans call on CIG to post an update on Squadron 42 development progress https://massivelyop.com/2020/07/27/star-citizen-fans-call-on-cig-to-post-an-update-on-squadron-42-development-progress/ The discussion in the games Reddit is good for Star Citizen
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Anita Dickinme posted:I took a five year break from this game back in 2015. It was a cool hangar when I uninstalled and I came back and look at it now: a whole solar system! I can’t wait to see how far it’s come in another five years! You'll need to refine your definition of "whole" because I think the solar system is not yet fully realized. But in 5 more years it might be. See you soon, space cowboy! 
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DigitalPenny posted:we are making two AAA games excuses is so lame. It's not about delivering two AAA games. It's about making them, and you're paying for the journey in easy monthly installments or larger DLC promise-purchased. I think they should do five or six AAA games, in a variety of different themes so their artists can pump out a ton of crazy art for people to buy.
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phosdex posted:The baffling thing to me is that I think Roberts has no charisma. The videos of him speaking and his citcon presentations are terrible. I would certainly not buy a used car from this man, much less thousand dollar spaceship jpegs. I don't understand how people can listen to him talk and think, yes this guy can do what he's talking about. That was his charm I believe as well. The man appeals to nerds, he has some difficulty with getting concepts across but seems to know some "tech language", he had his name on some old games from the 90's. He was basically the perfect storm for guys like him to feel like they could trust him because he was goofy and everybody knows a goofy nerd isn't out to scam you, he's just being honest and wants to build this thing. And really at the beginning I think he believed what he said with all his heart because he said it from and objectionably ignorant position where he really didn't understand game technology today. And he just proved it with totally insane things from 10FTC where he promised people anything from really stupid stuff to the impossible, but it didn't matter. I'm pretty sure the scam part came in significantly later, around the time when Sandi clocked out followed by CR himself like a year later or so here. Now they just have standing orders to keep selling junk as long as junk will sell. CR and Sandi have noped off to go live their lives doing whatever. On a personal level for the friends and family of CR, the game was a huge success. They've got financial freedom to go do whatever dreams they want to do. Delivery of the game at this point is not even a concern, I'm pretty sure. It's a cash cow that so long as it keeps making cash is a good cow. But once it stops producing that milky cash deliciousness, it's just gonna be taken out back and shot (or in the case of SC, released in whatever state it happens to be in at that time).
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Quavers posted:I do want Star Citizen to be good ( Its gonna be glorious! I dont think there is a game or project that has caught my attention that will deliver the pure schadenfreude spectacular that SC will. The anticipation and ever increasing crowdfunding just makes it more and more enticing.
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it won't be) but is it wrong that i sometimes want SC to spectacularly fail just so i can see the meltowns of super whales like these crazies?
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Just caught up with the thread. Disappointed to see PC gaming decidedly unrevolutionized.
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It's refreshing to see someone just come right out and say that all he needs to reinvigorate his/her (definitely his) confidence that everything is okay is for some official channel to regurgitate the tired old "justify the slow progress with some impressive-sounding technobabble" excuse yet again. At the same time, it's just as hilarious because CI¿G? is so loving checked out and clearly over this whole project that they can't even force themselves to deliver their loving excuses on time.
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:What's RLM stand for? Rich evans Laughs Maniacally.
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Mr.PayDay posted:„Well no you don't have to, but if you would have any clue about game dev you would know that 300M$ is nothing for developing two games from scratch. Development of GTA V cost 265$, marketing not even included. Rockstar started with an existing studio and a foundation (GTA IV) on which they could build on. For the scale that SC is aiming for, expect this to be a project costing well over a billion USD in the end. "Well over a billion USD" What do you think you're funding? An actual space program?
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:What's RLM stand for? Reverse Logistics Management Switch logistics with logical and you have CIG's management style.
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HiroProtagonist posted:"Well over a billion USD" The astonishing thing is knowing with utter certainty that they could get that and still not have a game
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The Rabbi T. White posted:Rich evans Laughs Maniacally. How dare he laugh at me... to the twitter!
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sebmojo posted:The astonishing thing is knowing with utter certainty that they could get that and still not have a game and still won't have a game, ye
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:How dare he laugh at me... to the twitter! That's not how it works. Somebody has to tweet at you saying that there is a post somewhere else where Rich said that he didn't laugh maniacally at you. Which is proof he did.
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no_recall posted:Never stop posting. 
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HiroProtagonist posted:"Well over a billion USD" When you get right down to it, it's this poo poo right here that really flabbergasts me about the whole endeavor. A billion dollars. One billion. One-thousand million. Human. Earth. Dollars. Like... are you making GBS threads me? Are you actually loving making GBS threads me. Are you making GBS threads on my dick? One billion. For a game? For a loving video game. One billion dollars is "buy a sports franchise" money. That's "build a 50-story skyscraper in NYC" money. Name a country in Africa; a billion dollars could keep its entire population fed for a year at minimum. The inflation-adjusted cost of the Hoover loving Dam isn't even a billion dollars. The sheer scope of what could be done with that amount of money is breathtaking to consider, and yet there exist people so petty in ambition as to think "a big video game about spaceships" is an undertaking worthy of all that time, money, and manpower. Why? Why are you okay with this? What on Earth made you this way? And then you see people talking about how they're prepared to settle in for a 20-year development cycle and yet somehow the subtext of these posts is optimistic rather than dawning, horrified realization. "Let's spend a billion dollars of our own money and 20 years of our lives on making and releasing a video game that has already been bought long ago by anyone who would even be remotely interested in it," says the group of functioning adults as they make a good decision. Time_pants fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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The Titanic posted:That was his charm I believe as well. I think you are giving the guy too much credit and his sycophants. He's an idea guy, and they are idea guys. And if THIS idea guy can make it and bring his IDEA to fruition, then all is not lost.
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Time_pants posted:When you get right down to it, it's this poo poo right here that really flabbergasts me about the whole endeavor. A billion dollars. One billion. The punch line is giving the money to a man who was a 100% guarantee of failure. So the dumb idea won't even be real.
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If Chris Roberts was given money to feed the hungry, more people would die of hunger that year than the previous ten years combined. If Chris Roberts was given money to develop a vaccine, he'd develop a new strain of the disease and wipe out entire countries. If Chris Roberts was given money to build homeless shelters, actual homes half a world away would spontaneously crumble. Also there would be no homeless shelters. Be happy Chris Roberts is not making a game. There's a lot more harm he could be doing by not doing other things.
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Time_pants posted:When you get right down to it, it's this poo poo right here that really flabbergasts me about the whole endeavor. A billion dollars. One billion. Nice beltdown friend, but the showroom for the Idris is this way, sir.
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Slow day at the office (my living room, thanks covid!) so I've been checking the reddit and it's weird how they are soooo aware of all the lies, tricks, and BS that CIG does and yet they still keep on spending money on the drat game. Like, they know they are getting milked but are, like, resigned and poo poo. e: spectrum is not doing much better  quote:Scope of the SQ42 video has changed. It is now scheduled to be a trilogy. Each 3 hours long. Third film will be split into two parts. Filmed with the latest 360 camera technologies to allow you to experience the video in VR. trucutru fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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Timespy posted:We have lost the technology of making forklifts in the future. A grim vision indeed. All the forklifts were used as weapons in the 1996 space game Escape Velocity, so we are all out of them.
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Scruffpuff posted:Yeah, and if you pay extra, they only send you the flag. 
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refunds sub posted:Trust me I'm a time traveller. Managed to take a screenshot of the roadmap in 2027
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:What's RLM stand for? Red Letter Media, a YouTube channel
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Bofast posted:Red Letter Media, a YouTube channel I'm pretty sure it's a podcast
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trucutru posted:I'm pretty sure it's a podcast Whats a podcast?
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trucutru posted:I'm pretty sure it's a podcast What's a podcast? e. 
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The Living Tombstone - Drunk Just one ship! Gonna keep it mellow A sensible starter for a polite fellow Say hello to my friends and comrades Wanna have some fun so I say perhaps Just two ships! To show my support We can pledge some more to build rapport And certainly a perfectly normal crowdfunding project But it’s been forever since it started so go for it Just three ships! For the sake of the old times Proceed with some merch from the RSI website The whole nine, laughing remembering all the old games Never really played but I could em give another try Just four ships! Y’know, lend one for my bud. I’ve had a hard week, I deserve a hot tub. Pick up another one as my friends depart and They may not stick around but I just got started. CHORUS Feel so much better than usual I feel indisputable [ohhhh] I think that it might be beautiful Juuuuust five ships! F***in' treat myself! Get that Javeling from the back of the top shelf Spend like god put on airs to sell it Goons pretend not to care but I know they’re jealous, just Six ships! Let slip the dogs of war! I’m gonna keep F5ing til I crash the pledge store 8 years coming and still needing more time, I’m hitting downvote and I’m feeling like committing a crime. Just Eight ships! Maybe I’ve lost count? I can’t remember the night, what I pledged, or the amount. I’m fading in and out my credit score is crumbling. . . . Sorry, is that a ship sale? Twelve ships! Upping my spending total Is it crowdfunding if you keep selling and don't stop at all? Another night pledging more than I can afford Was I just feeling bored? Am I that insecure? CHORUS Feel so much better than usual I feel indisputable [ohhhh] But now I’m seeing it's beautiful Don’t wake me up from this spell I’m under if I’m still spending I know that I will be hollow when I feel like myself again [ohhhh] But now I’m seeing it's beautiful BRIDGE Idris, Pioneer, Polaris and a Reclaimer Hammerhead, Hull E, Orion and a Starliner Hercules, Starfarer, Crucible, Endeavor Valkyrie, Eclipse, Glaive and a Vindicator Freelancer, Terrapin, Merchantman, Prospector Hurricane, Avenger, Prowler and a Gladiator Aurora, Merlin, Vanguard Warden Gladius and others I can't fly cuz they're broken Soldiering over I’m partrolling the comment section Defending deflecting making friends on the Spectrum I know I’m projecting, I'm not quite all there Then someone posts a shop of Chris on a bear Try to look at reddit and I can't believe what I'm seeing A billion trillion goons are posting with the mods agreeing Spending college funds while I’m losing my friends I’m gonna hate myself tomorrow then I’ll do it again CHORUS Feel so much better than usual I feel indisputable [ohhhh] But now I’m seeing it's beautiful Don’t wake me up from this spell I’m under if I’m still spending I know that I will be hollow when I feel like myself again [ohhhh] But now I’m seeing it's beautiful My account is empty As long as I’m pledging Nobody can hurt me hurt me hurt me iron buns fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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