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Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Mindblast posted:

Looking forward yo trying Othercide tonight. Anyone here already give it a go?

I haven't, but I'm looking forward to reading people's thoughts.

I was very interested in it until I learned it had Roguelike mechanics in it. Really not a fan of the concept :/ Slay the Spire is probably the most time I've sunk into one, and even that was only like 20 hours before I got bored of it.

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Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

More people than I would’ve thought apparently really want a new Suikoden game.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



A Sometimes Food posted:

So it looks like they released an actual alpha in EA, which like, kudos for accuracy but oof is it not leaving a good first impression. I'm keeping it wishlisted but gonna forget about it for another year or two. poo poo is roughhhhhh.

lol I wasn't planning on playing it so this actually is good to know

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Galaga Galaxian posted:

I’m pretty sure there are a bunch of those on steam already.

Which ones, that aren't anime/Leisure Suit Larry/betentacled nightmare creatures?

I'm being serious, I don't have a problem with the concept of erotic games, but they all seem so bad. I'll just have to go back to jackin' it to the Witcher's trading cards

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I think the genre peaked in terms of popularity with SimGirls on Newgrounds in 1999.

Otherwise it's just all the hentai games that show up on Steam.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jul 28, 2020

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Mindblast posted:

Looking forward yo trying Othercide tonight. Anyone here already give it a go?

I'm excited to go play it. I'll update in a few hours

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Two things:

- installing Othercide now will report back

- Noita is getting a price increase. oh my god steam showed me this as if it were new but it's two weeks old I'm so sorry

quote:

Hey,
it looks like we’re well on our way towards Noita 1.0! Before we get there though, there’s one step in our roadmap that we want to get out of the way:

The game has grown and gotten quite a bit of polish since its early access launch, and our plan was to increase the price accordingly. This will happen during the summer, but meanwhile there's still time to get Noita at 25% off.

StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jul 28, 2020

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



No Wave posted:

I think the genre peaked in terms of popularity with SimGirls on Newgrounds in 1999.

Otherwise it's just all the hentai games that show up on Steam.

That's strange, isn't it? We've had this explosion of pornography, including VR porn, but not in the Western video game market.

I'm not really clamoring for it, I can do without (although if a quality game came out that appealed to me I'd probably check it out), but it's interesting to think about the reasons. Maybe there's no niche for them because pornography is otherwise so widely available, although you would think that the interactive aspect of video games could be a draw.

Orv
May 4, 2011
I have to imagine spending three years working on a porn video game in a AAA setting is a modernized Dante style circle of hell.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
There's a pretty huge amount of western porn games being made on an amateur level now, one of the top 10 highest-earning Patreon projects is I assume a text/light gameplay one with an incest theme making over 67,000 dollars a month.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Phlegmish posted:

Why can't they make a normal sex game with normal people having sex with each other

Kanfy posted:

one of the top 10 highest-earning Patreon projects is I assume a text/light gameplay one with an incest theme

:thunk:

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Kanfy posted:

There's a pretty huge amount of western porn games being made on an amateur level now, one of the top 10 highest-earning Patreon projects is I assume a text/light gameplay one with an incest theme making over 67,000 dollars a month.

This is a large part of the reason why vanilla porn video games aren't taking off.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Only tangentially related, but where's the best place to ask about getting some half decent modest PC speakers? I should probably stop buying Logitech since I can't seem to get any without some loose wiring issue of some kind, my old ones suited me fine for years til the balance started screwing up, then the last two I bought both had a low key buzzing issue that nothing could do anything about.

klipsch promedia 2.1

KLIPSCH PROMEDIA 2.1

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

ultrafilter posted:

This is a large part of the reason why vanilla porn video games aren't taking off.

I assume people who want vanilla stuff can get that with normal porn.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


humanity as a whole is Far Too Horny

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Orv posted:

I have to imagine spending three years working on a porn video game in a AAA setting is a modernized Dante style circle of hell.

So like most AAA video games, then. And yeah, I don't think it'd be all that different.

I would guess it's because as a development studio you're pre-limiting your audience that way, and also painting yourself with a certain brush, so you really have to go all-in. Also all-in because you can't just make the Western equivalent of a garbage hentai dating sim, the people who'd want that are already playing Japanese dating sims. High production values are pretty much required, and the dialog would have to at least not immediately make you close the game in embarrassment.

However, if you do make a game like that, that whole niche is basically yours.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


You know what's cooler than incest porn? Reclaiming industrial wastelands with plants.

https://twitter.com/noio_games/status/1288084165284499456

From reading the Early Access text, this looks like less of a pure sandbox than Townscaper but still very sandboxy.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

I mean have you checked Pornhub statistics lately, incest is as mainstream as it gets in that "for legal reasons everyone's conveniently step-siblings and step-parents" -kind of way.

But yeah, generally speaking people who want ordinary porn will just watch ordinary porn, porn games are more for people who either want story or interaction with their porn or want stuff that for one reason or another isn't available or widespread in normal porn.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

ultrafilter posted:

You know what's cooler than incest porn? Reclaiming industrial wastelands with plants.

https://twitter.com/noio_games/status/1288084165284499456

From reading the Early Access text, this looks like less of a pure sandbox than Townscaper but still very sandboxy.

*slams wishlist button*

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

who among us does not routinely check pornhub statistics

Orv
May 4, 2011

Ciaphas posted:

humanity as a whole is Far Too Horny

Turns out we were from the Elemental Plane of Horny all along.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



ultrafilter posted:

This is a large part of the reason why vanilla porn video games aren't taking off.

But I don't want an incest text adventure. That's the opposite of good. Just make a proper video game with non-related adult humans having consensual sex with each other, and if it's good maybe I'll check it out. Why is it always some specific insane fetish that appeals to 3% of the population.

You're right, though, I don't see a 'quality' porn game being released anytime soon. However, if it were, it'd have a ready-made audience for the simple reason that literally no one else is making them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The big thing is that it's only been recently that there's literally any reliable platform for a western game dev to receive money for producing a porn game.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


I've heard that the main reason why there's so much incest porn out there is that the head of one of the big niche studios is really into it and is producing the stuff that he wants, but I'm not going to verify that because I can't think of a search term whose results I want in Google's profile of me.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
I guess Studio FOW's Subverse (obviously :nws:) is the closest I can think of what I assume would be a somewhat big-budget porn Actual Game from the west. Can't say I've followed it much but it feels like I first heard about it years ago now, and they seem to still be working on it.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Gay Rat Wedding posted:

who among us does not routinely check pornhub statistics

No joke pornhub.com/insights is completely sfw and one of the most intersting sites you can bookmark

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



All of the 'incest porn' just has a line of dialog in it somewhere going "I can't believe I'm doing this with my STEP BROTHER" or "oops I slipped and now my penis is inside my STEP SISTER". That's it.

I have no idea why such an unnecessary and gross theme became so popular, especially when the sex acts themselves are utterly vanilla and harmless, more so than a lot of other porn videos.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

in any case vanilla Hornygames do exist but they tend to just not be very good; for example Max Gentlemen Sexy Business is an idle clicker about watching numbers go up at a glacial pace but then sometimes there's boobs & dongs

Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jul 28, 2020

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

Shrecknet posted:

No joke pornhub.com/insights is completely sfw and one of the most intersting sites you can bookmark

2020's version of "I Read It for the Articles"

Ambaire
Sep 4, 2009

by Shine
Oven Wrangler

ultrafilter posted:

I've heard that the main reason why there's so much incest porn out there is that the head of one of the big niche studios is really into it and is producing the stuff that he wants, but I'm not going to verify that because I can't think of a search term whose results I want in Google's profile of me.

I was feeling curious (and also don't give a poo poo what Google thinks about me) so I googled "why is incest porn such a big fetish" and got this spiel from a reddit bestof post which actually seems to make a surprising amount of sense.

quote:

"Incest porn is not about incest, it is about close platonic long term bonds. It is essentially "platonic best friends all of a sudden becoming sexual" porn with a clickbait title.

The incest dynamic is really effective because it is one of the few plot hooks which can overcome porn logic. In most any porn you see, if there is a guy and a girl in the same room, they are going to have sex. There is never a situation where they aren't going to have sex. Furthermore, there is never a situation in a porn where two individuals are not going to want to have sex with each other....

Except what if that other person in the room was your sister?

For whatever reason, that is an exception to porn logic. It creates a situation in which there can be two individuals in a room who don't exactly want to have sex with each other which is believable. If it is a brother/sister sort of thing and the sister is trying to seduce the brother, it is believable that the brother might try resisting the sister. It can create a lot of sexual tension because there is a believe resistance. If the sister accidentally walks in on her brother and sees him in the shower, and she doesn't quite look but then can't help but taking some peeks, well that is believable because the taboo aspect of it makes sense. In almost any other non-incest porno the only possible way to handle that would be the girl seeing the guy and then walking in and giving him a blowjob.

What is interesting about this is that there is almost never a blood line, it is always step-sister, and that is because being actually related isn't what is important to this. It isn't about that person being a biological sister, but more about them being "like" a sister.

Why is that effective? Well, it opens up the avenue for people to project their own real life situations onto the porn. In everyday life, especially men, have friends who we are attracted to and want to have sex with, but the relationship is really only platonic. I've had attractive female friends who I have been very close with, so much so that they were "like" my sister. The way incest porn plays out, it is very similar to how the sex would play out if one of my attractive female friends who was like my sister started to come on to me.

There are many different avenues that these porns can go and they kind of borrow from different relationship dynamics. Father daughter can be for girls who want to be with an older man, maybe there is an older man they want to experience but feel like it would be too wrong because they are "like" a father to them, but it can also be effective for older men who know young attractive women who they are "like" a father to. You can go into all the different dynamics.

When you really start to see it from this perspective, it is put in a similar category to where two female best friends end up having sex. It is believable in porn logic for there to be two girls in a room and for one of them to not exactly want to have sex with another girl and to show some resistance, or for both of them to show some resistance and for them to just fall into having sex. This can work for a lot of girls viewers because they may have sexual feelings towards some of their female friends, and recreates some of the dynamics. It can work for male viewers because they can imagine that dynamic being at play with some of the people in their life.

There are other porn categories which play off this as well, like teacher/student porn. It creates some sort of strong enough reason as to why a man would resist sex, but also for anyone to resist sex. It plays on certain real life roles and boundaries which people find relate-able.

There is so much more to this answer and avenues I could go down, but that is the rough idea of it."

Or it could just be the last fetish. Or it's a big conspiracy.

fake edit: Why the gently caress did I post this?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Kanfy posted:

I guess Studio FOW's Subverse (obviously :nws:) is the closest I can think of what I assume would be a somewhat big-budget porn Actual Game from the west. Can't say I've followed it much but it feels like I first heard about it years ago now, and they seem to still be working on it.

This looks dumb, but in a self-aware way. You know what, I'll keep an eye on it. They missed an opportunity by not going with rear end Effect, though.



lol

And yes, I wishlisted it as I have no shame, strangely no one else on my friends list has so far

Orv
May 4, 2011

Ambaire posted:

fake edit: Why the gently caress did I post this?

Good loving question!

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Ambaire posted:

I was feeling curious (and also don't give a poo poo what Google thinks about me) so I googled "why is incest porn such a big fetish" and got this spiel from a reddit bestof post which actually seems to make a surprising amount of sense.

You know, that actually makes sense. By far most people are probably not actually into incest, but it pushes certain psychological buttons.

Only issue I have is, if it's supposed to be stand-in for people you have a platonic relationship with but are still attracted to, why not just use that scenario as a set-up instead of it having to be your goddamn relative. I know that's the most obviously platonic relationship possible, but it's just lazy

quote:

fake edit: Why the gently caress did I post this?

It was interesting. Thank you.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
As usual anime was ahead of the curve, though I figure a lot of that is the target audience being miserable shut-ins who can't suspend their disbelief enough to imagine meeting a woman they aren't related to or isn't otherwise obligated to interact with him.

Blattdorf
Aug 10, 2012

"This will be the best for both of us, Bradley."
"Meow."
Steam Thread 20/20: Turns out Carmack was wrong

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Phlegmish posted:

You know, that actually makes sense. By far most people are probably not actually into incest, but it pushes certain psychological buttons.

Only issue I have is, if it's supposed to be stand-in for people you have a platonic relationship with but are still attracted to, why not just use that scenario as a set-up instead of it having to be your goddamn relative. I know that's the most obviously platonic relationship possible, but it's just lazy

I feel like the obvious answer is that it's taboo and people get a rush from breaking rules and limits of what they can do in real life. I mean why do people enjoy shooting people in games so much, if we just want to accurately click things we could just play idle clickers instead of making it about something as horrific as shooting human beings to death with firearms.

JLaw
Feb 10, 2008

- harmless -

ultrafilter posted:

You know what's cooler than incest porn? Reclaiming industrial wastelands with plants.

truer words rarely spoken

Orv
May 4, 2011
Fun as this meeting of the Freudian Armchair Psychoanalysts Lodge has been why don't we gather our party and venture forth to some other conversation you loving lunatics.

Diephoon
Aug 24, 2003

LOL

Nap Ghost
If anyone was waiting for Phantasy Star Online 2 to be on Steam, it should be there soon. The release date shows as August 5th when you link it in discord but the release date doesn't appear on the site itself :shrug:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1056640/Phantasy_Star_Online_2/

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Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.

anilEhilated posted:

Guaranteed to have that boomerang guy from Shovel Knight and Valdis Story... Did he get into any other games since then?

I KNEW Reize looked so familiar. Valdis story released first as a Cameo Character and when I encountered him in Shovel Knight, I thought I was going crazy.

Isn't he part of the gang and ends up helping you near the end of the game in Valdis?

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