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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
PREVIOUSLY ON X-MEN


I marathoned a bunch of S1 episodes one Thanksgiving when I had to stay up all night cooking 3 turks and sides. It wasn't Gargoyles and the fights were janky but I enjoyed it.

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dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️
Batman the Animated Series holds up extremely well. It was more an adult drama packaged in a kids cartoon.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


I’ve always wished they’d do a live action version of Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. It’s so drat good.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I really need to finish watching my BTAS Blu-Rays. A lot went down last year, and I just stopped

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
The X-Men series gave us what is probably the best version of Apocalypse, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYt78FWfa5M

"I am the rocks of the eternal shore. Crash against me, and BE BROKEN!"

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

dialhforhero posted:

Batman the Animated Series holds up extremely well. It was more an adult drama packaged in a kids cartoon.
:jerkbag:

It's really good, but "adult drama" is some Ernest Cline horseshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5vNY_FJeE

Here's some of the most affecting, artsy, arresting moments they ever did and it's good. It's really good. But adult? I mean it's aesthetically way more adult than anything else you'd see on Kid's TV both then and now, but it's still Batman-- a fundamentally childish/adolescent franchise. And these are the best moments. Most of it was way closer to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJm-N2rbENs

And there's nothing wrong with that. Just like, own where it actually is and not where the marketing department from Wizard Magazine in 1994 told you it was when you were a literal child.

Here's the DCAU near the end, where a much more ludicrous Batman still deals with some really adult stuff, but the best I can say about it is "This is really good... for a children's program."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOooJW5SSDA

This has been me being a grumpy old man. Tune in for the 00s kid thread where I take the piss out of Avatar: The Last Airbender and then call a puppy a mean name.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

mind the walrus posted:

I mean it's aesthetically way more adult than anything else you'd see on Kid's TV both then and now, but it's still Batman-- a fundamentally childish/adolescent franchise. And these are the best moments. Most of it was way closer to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJm-N2rbENs

And there's nothing wrong with that. Just like, own where it actually is and not where the marketing department from Wizard Magazine in 1994 told you it was when you were a literal child.

For some reason Batman fighting the Penguin in some kid's basement with a screwdriver was maybe THE standout moment from that show for me as a 6 year old. Maybe I identified with it because my house had a basement workshop with screwdrivers?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
BtAS was positioned for parents to watch it along with kids.

Kind of like that Grey Ghost episode

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
Am I remembering right in thinking that the show was animated using black backgrounds, to help achieve that distinctive style it had?

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It's borderline apocryphal, the most authoritative source I could find quickly on Wikipedia cites " Bruce Timm and Eric Radomski, audio commentary for "On Leather Wings", Batman: The Animated Series, Warner Bros, Volume One box set DVD" which means it's probably true but there's nothing really documented in-depth about it.

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️
The episode where he is stuck in a dream and realizes it only after he noticed he can’t read anything has stuck with me forever.

Also the Joker casino that was in on it for insurance fraud knowing Joker would rob and destroy it out of jealousy.

These are more adult stories in a kids cartoon package. :colbert:

Flight Bisque
Feb 23, 2008

There is, surprisingly, always hope.
Batman was great, but was he ever CoVerED wItH sCOrpIonS causing him to try and murder an old lady who lived in the sewer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDpWyGRGgw

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Ok yeah that's pretty top-tier I'll give that to you

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Flight Bisque posted:

Batman was great, but was he ever CoVerED wItH sCOrpIonS causing him to try and murder an old lady who lived in the sewer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDpWyGRGgw

Lmao that owns

Flight Bisque
Feb 23, 2008

There is, surprisingly, always hope.
in case you wonder what else you missed,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K1D8y_Pxs

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
I think the key difference is that Batman obviously used an animation team with a bit more experience and presumably budget. (Their previous work included Little Nemo and the Winnie The Pooh TV show.) X-Men had good writing, casting, etc. but the animation itself was very much typical '90s American TV quality. Very stiff, no "bounce" to it, doesn't feel like they really considered what would work best in the medium, just kinda "here's some drawings, make them move". Obviously Batman is also a little more grounded just given the less sci-fi nature of the character, but that's not the main reason the DCAU was ahead of Marvel for so long.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8MAHQhKe7Q&

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Flight Bisque posted:

Batman was great, but was he ever CoVerED wItH sCOrpIonS causing him to try and murder an old lady who lived in the sewer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDpWyGRGgw

Why was that lady even with the Morlocks? I thought it was basically mutants who look like ACTUAL mutated people and so lived in the sewer* to not be seen.

She just looks like an old lady.

*And where did this idea that sewers are a good place to live come from? Good ol' human waste! And they're usually, like...sealed pipes, not ten foot tall subway platforms with rivers in them that, despite being human waste, always appear to be clean water.

Unless sewers really ARE like that and I'm up here paying mortgage like a sucker?

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

It's all a take on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_people which must have hit some kind of pop culture swell in the 80s given Morlocks and CHUDs popping up around the same time (83 and 84, respectively). Makes sense from a pulp angle.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oqAU5VxFWs

man, I wish I was beautiful :smith:

Rahonavis
Jan 11, 2012

"Clevuh gurrrl..."

Flight Bisque posted:

in case you wonder what else you missed,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-K1D8y_Pxs

This kills me every time I watch it. I have so many questions about the one Morlock who transforms into a table.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
In case y'all wanted the thrill of doing homework in middle school again...

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
This just came up on my shuffle and I remembered how dang good it is.

No Doubt - Sunday Morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiBX-ESFDF0

It's not exactly obscure, but I think by virtue of how many other massive hits the album has, it is still somewhat underrated. Might be their best song IMO.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/sozbMjv.gifv


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_v._Pepsico,_Inc.

Read the judgment section, there’s some hilarious statements on the record.

Cartoon Man has a new favorite as of 20:16 on Jul 30, 2020

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Cartoon Man posted:

https://i.imgur.com/sozbMjv.gifv


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_v._Pepsico,_Inc.

Read the judgment section, there’s some hilarious statements on the record.

This should replace Hot Coffee as the default example of the frivolous lawsuit, because it is and that poor woman had 3rd degree burns on her crotch.

ToxicToast
Dec 7, 2006
Thanks, I'm flattered.
No clue how this is the first time I am hearing about that Pepsi point lawsuit but that was a good read. My family was pretty big soda drinkers and preferred Pepsi because of Mountain Dew. I remember getting a t-shirt, hat, and some other stuff with Pepsi Points.

Are points from buying products still a thing? I remember in the 90s not only Pepsi did it but pretty much everyone, I also remember Coke and Kool-aid also having points and getting some free stuff. My friend also started eating SPAM just to get a free SPAM t-shirt.

Now it seems like all you get is online code to enter to win stuff, not actual points.

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

Cigarette companies definitely kicked off the points craze of the 90's. I guess stuff like green stamps came before Marlboro miles or Camel bucks, but I'm pretty sure those died off in the 80's.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


It just misses the cutoff for the 90s, but at one point Pepsi had the sixth largest Navy in the world. Guess they should've held on to some of them to trade for a fighter jet.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Trash Theory put out a video about the history behind Common People
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIwaw2QhBbM
I had no idea Pulp had been around since the 80s.

Hey Jeepers, check this poo poo out!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrGwjgK2jrM

Though one of my favorite Mr Show sketches is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhzIRTRtWc

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


ultrafilter posted:

It just misses the cutoff for the 90s, but at one point Pepsi had the sixth largest Navy in the world. Guess they should've held on to some of them to trade for a fighter jet.

Related, and falling squarely into the early 90s though was the Barq's root beer "Soviet Stuff" promo, where you could send in some proofs of purchase and they'd send you some USSR memorabilia they picked up for dirt cheap after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

I did it and got a handful of Lenin pins in the mail, wish I could remember where child me eventually stashed them.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

ultrafilter posted:

It just misses the cutoff for the 90s, but at one point Pepsi had the sixth largest Navy in the world. Guess they should've held on to some of them to trade for a fighter jet.

For a brief moment the Cola War could've gone from cold to hot :v:.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

'90s nostalgia is more 90s than the actual 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTc1w32Vbeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Phsup-LrII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V3hM-YDsOk

Mu Zeta has a new favorite as of 07:52 on Aug 1, 2020

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUCdsLgr4Y

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009






Your avatar reminded me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHqBPw5HYDU

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006


I mean, it's trying and it's doing a really good job but I don't know, something about it instantly reads as "approximating the 90s" in the same way that all the retrowave is approximating the 80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oZizivLk70

This is pretty great if you take it as 1990-92. Like I can very easily picture this song blasting out of a tinny AM/FM in the back of a Palmer Video in winter after reheated pizza, gazing longingly at TNG on VHS which is just too damned expensive. But it's still more of an approximation.

root beer
Nov 13, 2005

mind the walrus posted:

I mean, it's trying and it's doing a really good job but I don't know, something about it instantly reads as "approximating the 90s" in the same way that all the retrowave is approximating the 80s.

I want to say that that was what Mu was kinda saying, and I was going to respond similarly that retro/synthwave is more ‘80s than the ‘80s were in that very same vein. It’s an exaggerated, hyperconcentrated cultural memory of something that practically didn’t really exist; Miami Vice wasn’t the default daily lifestyle for 99.9999% of America, but that’s just how ‘80s life will be depicted.

Just like the late ‘70s was more That ‘70s Show than some coked-up Saturday Night Fever fantasy.

Okay now I’m just rambling and I bet this has nothing to do with what anyone was saying

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

mind the walrus posted:

I mean, it's trying and it's doing a really good job but I don't know, something about it instantly reads as "approximating the 90s" in the same way that all the retrowave is approximating the 80s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oZizivLk70

This is pretty great if you take it as 1990-92. Like I can very easily picture this song blasting out of a tinny AM/FM in the back of a Palmer Video in winter after reheated pizza, gazing longingly at TNG on VHS which is just too damned expensive. But it's still more of an approximation.

Yeah that's what I should have typed and what I meant about the approximating thing. Same with That 70s Show etc.

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uli2000
Feb 23, 2015

KHLAV KALASHNIKOV posted:

Where the hell did you live where you got to listen to a loving AM station and hear all that? Jesus, my loving cornpone upbringing.

Phoenix, AZ area. KUKQ 1060 am.

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