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Harriet Carker: Jun 2, 2009

In this case, I would just make a valueToDisplayName map. Use the value the server expects everywhere and when you need to show it to the user, just use the string value from the map.

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# ? May 9, 2024 04:47

Prism Mirror Lens: Oct 9, 2012; ~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~

Using �key/value� as a shorthand for �user-facing string/internal value� is pretty common. I guess it varies which way round people choose to say key and value... but if you call the string the value and the value the key I don�t want to work with you :colbert:

# ? Jul 29, 2020 15:46

Woebin: Feb 6, 2006

dantheman650 posted:

In this case, I would just make a valueToDisplayName map. Use the value the server expects everywhere and when you need to show it to the user, just use the string value from the map.

Yeah, I'd probably do this if it wasn't an established project and things weren't already pretty entrenched.

Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Using “key/value” as a shorthand for “user-facing string/internal value” is pretty common. I guess it varies which way round people choose to say key and value... but if you call the string the value and the value the key I don’t want to work with you

In my defense, it's the older senior dev who's doing that, not me. I make my own, different bad decisions.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 16:31

Macichne Leainig: Jul 26, 2012; by VG

In my mind the �key� is the ID for the associated DB record and the �value� is just the pretty-printed version of the record in context.

Just have a lookup table somewhere that defines a record with ID 3 correlates to �100.00� or whatever you need.

Keeps the DB well normalized as a bonus.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 16:34

Destroyenator: Dec 27, 2004; Don't ask me lady, I live in beer

Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Using �key/value� as a shorthand for �user-facing string/internal value� is pretty common. I guess it varies which way round people choose to say key and value... but if you call the string the value and the value the key I don�t want to work with you

Generally I'd say the opposite, the machine readable one is the key because that doesn't change and the user display text is the value because then you can swap out a localised dictionary ($100 / � 100) as you need.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:34

Woebin: Feb 6, 2006

Protocol7 posted:

In my mind the “key” is the ID for the associated DB record and the “value” is just the pretty-printed version of the record in context.

Just have a lookup table somewhere that defines a record with ID 3 correlates to “100.00” or whatever you need.

Keeps the DB well normalized as a bonus.

Man, I wish this was in a db and not just endless raw strings within the code.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:36

ChickenWing: Jul 22, 2010

Working in Development: I make my own, different bad decisions.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:38

spiritual bypass: Feb 19, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Woebin posted:

Man, I wish this was in a db and not just endless raw strings within the code.

Make a constant string for each key (or was it value?) and make a big commit changing all of the handwritten strings to use the consts imo

# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:48

ultrafilter: Aug 23, 2007; It's okay if you have any questions.

ChickenWing posted:

Working in Development: I make my own, different bad decisions.

Mods?

# ? Jul 29, 2020 17:49

Macichne Leainig: Jul 26, 2012; by VG

rt4 posted:

Make a constant string for each key (or was it value?) and make a big commit changing all of the handwritten strings to use the consts imo

Yeah, it sounds like it's going to be painful, just rip off that bandaid.

ChickenWing posted:

Working in Development: I make my own, different bad decisions.

ultrafilter posted:

Mods?

# ? Jul 29, 2020 18:01

Woebin: Feb 6, 2006

ChickenWing posted:

Working in Development: I make my own, different bad decisions.

I would be honored.

rt4 posted:

Make a constant string for each key (or was it value?) and make a big commit changing all of the handwritten strings to use the consts imo

I'm the weirdo who likes doing this sort of stuff, I find it meditative, and I usually slip some cleanup of this sort into my feature branches when I can. My colleagues (mostly the older guy who's been here for over a decade) don't always appreciate the big refactoring PRs though.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 18:05

Rocko Bonaparte: Mar 12, 2002; Every day is Friday!

Would this double-sided thing be a case for a bidirectional dictionary/map aka bidict aka inverse dictionary/map aka two-way dictionary/map?

# ? Jul 29, 2020 18:22

Canine Blues Arooo: Jan 7, 2008; when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with; Grimey Drawer

So as others have mentioned, despite the structure of 'user facing string, functional int' not really conforming the conventions of KVP, I'd still use a Dictionary<string , int>/Map/Whatever to represent this. It provides the structure that you'd basically want anyway, and most languages have robust features around Dictionaries such that you don't have to write a lot of supporting code to manipulate and manage them.

# ? Jul 29, 2020 21:32

marumaru: May 20, 2013

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# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:23

Fellatio del Toro: Mar 21, 2009

perfect opportunity to use recursion

code:

func IsEven(i int) bool {
	if i == 0 {
	  return true
	}
	
	return !IsEven(i - 1)
}

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:36

Pedestrian Xing: Jul 19, 2007

Fellatio del Toro posted:

perfect opportunity to use recursion
code:
func IsEven(i int) bool {
	if i == 0 {
	  return true
	}
	
	return !IsEven(i - 1)
}

It's not webscale, can you refactor into an IsEvenEvaluatorFacadeFactoryBeanImplService?

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:43

ultrafilter: Aug 23, 2007; It's okay if you have any questions.

https://twitter.com/ctrlshifti/status/1288653375634956288

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:52

Carbon dioxide: Oct 9, 2012

Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Aug 1, 2020

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:08

Pedestrian Xing: Jul 19, 2007

ultrafilter posted:

https://twitter.com/ctrlshifti/status/1288653375634956288

Oof yeah, time tracking or any mention of personal KPIs is basically :sever:

for me.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:55

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

Pedestrian Xing posted:

Oof yeah, time tracking or any mention of personal KPIs is basically for me.

I really can't understand any manager that expects a positive outcome of time tracking. The only rational outcome of time tracking is to work to the time.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 22:29

prom candy: Dec 16, 2005; Only I may dance

We used to have to do it when I worked at an agency, but eventually I would just kinda say "how much do you want to bill them for this? great, that's exactly how long it took"

Still an annoying waste of time and I fought really hard to get us to switch to selling weeklong sprints but they weren't having it.

# ? Jul 31, 2020 01:40

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

prom candy posted:

We used to have to do it when I worked at an agency, but eventually I would just kinda say "how much do you want to bill them for this? great, that's exactly how long it took"

Still an annoying waste of time and I fought really hard to get us to switch to selling weeklong sprints but they weren't having it.

Well yah contract is something totally different. I had been at places where we had to track to 1/10th of the hour. And guess what? I didn't give any free time then!

# ? Jul 31, 2020 02:18

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Pedestrian Xing posted:

Oof yeah, time tracking or any mention of personal KPIs is basically for me.

Personal KPIs: 1a. endear myself to at least 1 manager in my part of the org and 4 in other parts of the org that don't have their reports do personal KPIs. These numbers will be doubled if I can't prioritise my work based on my personal KPIs.

:grin:

Really though; every time I've done them I've had to blow them up and re-do them for some priority change. Which makes them feel even more pointless than I know they are.

# ? Jul 31, 2020 14:48

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

leper khan posted:

Personal KPIs: 1a. endear myself to at least 1 manager in my part of the org and 4 in other parts of the org that don't have their reports do personal KPIs. These numbers will be doubled if I can't prioritise my work based on my personal KPIs.

Really though; every time I've done them I've had to blow them up and re-do them for some priority change. Which makes them feel even more pointless than I know they are.

Reminds me of a place that required team wide Achievements (What you did this week) and Objectives (What you plan to do next week.) be sent out to all members every Friday...

I loved when I sent out my two liner
Achievement:
Resigned this week effective 7/31
Objectives:
Turnover

# ? Jul 31, 2020 15:24

Woebin: Feb 6, 2006

I'm an oddity in that I started using Toggl to get a better idea of where my time goes during university, and I've just kept using it at every job since purely for my own benefit. I really like being able to look at my own history and seeing how much time I spent on any one thing, how much got wasted in meetings etcetera. Plus it helps keep me accountable to myself when it comes to not overworking, which is nice - I like my job, but I'm not spending more time on it than I get paid to.

That's just my own private tracking though, if some middle manager with a need to feel useful demanded that I did exactly the same thing and reported it to them I'd be annoyed at best.

# ? Jul 31, 2020 17:44

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To paraphrase what's been said before: metrics that become targets lose all their value as metrics.

# ? Jul 31, 2020 20:52

Woebin: Feb 6, 2006

Che Delilas posted:

To paraphrase what's been said before: metrics that become targets lose all their value as metrics.

Good point, that differentiation really is key.

# ? Jul 31, 2020 21:28

ultrafilter: Aug 23, 2007; It's okay if you have any questions.

Che Delilas posted:

To paraphrase what's been said before: metrics that become targets lose all their value as metrics.

Goodhart's law

# ? Jul 31, 2020 22:30

Che Delilas: Nov 23, 2009; FREE TIBET WEED

ultrafilter posted:

Goodhart's law

Yeah him

# ? Aug 1, 2020 02:56

Ghost of Reagan Past: Oct 7, 2003; rock and roll fun

Pedestrian Xing posted:

Oof yeah, time tracking or any mention of personal KPIs is basically for me.

My shithole job estimates tickets by the half-hour, pretends there are 6 developer hours in a day, that developer hours are fungible, and then ignores our estimates entirely for numbers pulled out of their rear end. They wonder why we scramble to meet deadlines and why our estimates don't match their fictions.

We're still expected to log hours against our tickets. I haven't done that in months.

Yes I'm :sever:

ing

EDIT: Also I vastly overestimate tickets because even if the development work is done in the time they never take into consideration rejection by QA, discovery of issues, working with other team members, etc. They are extremely bad at project management.

# ? Aug 7, 2020 13:26

Woebin: Feb 6, 2006

Wow, the thread got the new name, huh? A legacy I can be proud of.

Anyway I just quit work for the day, which marks the beginning of three weeks' vacation! Gonna be weird to not work on this project for a while, this is the first time I ever feel like I might kinda miss my job while I'm off. Is this just what it feels like to have a job you like? All my previous dev jobs have been varying levels of terrible for me.

# ? Aug 7, 2020 15:02

ChickenWing: Jul 22, 2010

Woebin posted:

Wow, the thread got the new name, huh? A legacy I can be proud of.

Anyway I just quit work for the day, which marks the beginning of three weeks' vacation! Gonna be weird to not work on this project for a while, this is the first time I ever feel like I might kinda miss my job while I'm off. Is this just what it feels like to have a job you like? All my previous dev jobs have been varying levels of terrible for me.

While I can honestly say I've never missed work while I've been off, I'm certainly susceptible to checking slack while I'm out just to make sure everything is still ticking along. Having a job you like is pretty great.

Aside: my startup got acquired by a Microsoft shop and now we have teams instead of slack and while I love it for everything calendar related, everything else can gently caress right off. Especially the part where we need MDM if we want to look at anything work related on our phones. gently caress you I just want to be able to call in sick without leaving my bed :mad:

# ? Aug 10, 2020 14:15

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

ChickenWing posted:

While I can honestly say I've never missed work while I've been off, I'm certainly susceptible to checking slack while I'm out just to make sure everything is still ticking along. Having a job you like is pretty great.

Aside: my startup got acquired by a Microsoft shop and now we have teams instead of slack and while I love it for everything calendar related, everything else can gently caress right off. Especially the part where we need MDM if we want to look at anything work related on our phones. gently caress you I just want to be able to call in sick without leaving my bed

Work Profile was a significant factor in my decision to switch to Android a few years back

# ? Aug 10, 2020 14:27

prom candy: Dec 16, 2005; Only I may dance

ChickenWing posted:

While I can honestly say I've never missed work while I've been off, I'm certainly susceptible to checking slack while I'm out just to make sure everything is still ticking along. Having a job you like is pretty great.

Aside: my startup got acquired by a Microsoft shop and now we have teams instead of slack and while I love it for everything calendar related, everything else can gently caress right off. Especially the part where we need MDM if we want to look at anything work related on our phones. gently caress you I just want to be able to call in sick without leaving my bed

I hate Slack/chat apps, I honestly miss email.

# ? Aug 10, 2020 14:40

beuges: Jul 4, 2005; fluffy bunny butterfly broomstick

prom candy posted:

I hate Slack/chat apps, I honestly miss email.

Hi Prom Candy

Noted.

Regards,
beuges
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# ? Aug 10, 2020 14:55

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# ? Aug 10, 2020 15:02

Clanpot Shake: Aug 10, 2006; shake shake!

Can you take me off this chain? I left that work unit 6 months ago but somehow I'm still in this group. Thanks in advance.

# ? Aug 10, 2020 15:06

ChickenWing: Jul 22, 2010

Vulture Culture posted:

Work Profile was a significant factor in my decision to switch to Android a few years back

okay how's this work because I'm very strongly of the "I don't want corporate IT's grubby paws in my device" persuasion but I've heard peripherally of this option and how it's basically a second partition?

# ? Aug 10, 2020 15:20

prom candy: Dec 16, 2005; Only I may dance

beuges posted:

Hi Prom Candy

Noted.

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I'll take this over having 3 parallel conversations in the same slack channel, or taking a day off work and just completely missing anything important that happened, or getting a non-time sensitive request but still needing to respond right away or else it'll be pushed off the screen and as good as gone.

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Carbon dioxide: Oct 9, 2012

prom candy posted:

I'll take this over having 3 parallel conversations in the same slack channel, or taking a day off work and just completely missing anything important that happened, or getting a non-time sensitive request but still needing to respond right away or else it'll be pushed off the screen and as good as gone.

tldr; you use slack wrong

# ? Aug 10, 2020 16:16

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