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King Hong Kong posted:Hypothetically, I would think the opposite would be true in many areas. Large cities rely on the state and its ability to draw on territories to support them in a way city-states were historically unable to do. That is support for my dumb theory, not against it.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:That is support for my dumb theory, not against it. I took “central” cities to mean cities in the interior instead of big capital city in the center of the country like you meant. But I also don’t think it would be a boon for port cities.
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Jul 29, 2020 16:38
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3D Megadoodoo posted:In many places this would lead to a shift in importance and thus population from "central"* cities to port cities and border cities. I think it would really depend. I don't see nation states disappearing. Most cities rely heavily on their federal governments. Some big, global cities though have economic and diplomatic clout quite seperate from their host nations. In cases where the nation is sufficiently weak and at odds with such a city, the city may be able to gain greater autonomy for itself, especially if it could argue the host nation would benefit, too. Global cities rely heavily on immigration. If they were able to set their own immigration policy (not something most nations would be keen on) then they'd probably accept more people and their populations would rise.
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Jul 29, 2020 17:16
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Unkempt posted:I want to know more about these uniquely Pennsylvanian snacks. Top notch soft pretzels, tasty cakes, marshmallow fluff, peanut chews come to mind. I think water ice is also fairly local. If expanded to food, you have cheesesteaks, scrapple, roast pork sandwiches, and bread so good that half of anything you eat will be better here.
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Jul 29, 2020 17:33
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Unkempt posted:I want to know more about these uniquely Pennsylvanian snacks. Pennsylvania has a real galaxy of local potato chip manufacturers, more than you'd ever rationally expect. Also yes Philadelphia has an insane amount of local foods. Aside from the iconic ones like cheesesteaks and water ice there's weird obscure things like irish potatoes, snapper soup, texas tommy dogs, and the corned beef special. Snack food wise you can't beat a Philadelphia soft pretzel with its very rational shape.
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Jul 29, 2020 17:55
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CommonShore posted:As a compromise can we say that PA has no coastline but rather a coast point? It's the most East Coast you can be without having a coastline. Or maybe that's Vermont.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:07
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:
Thats not weird at all. If someone said PA when they meant Michigan that would be pretty weird.
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I thought that one of the reasons for city-states was the fact that there's so many things that could only really be done in cities, because of all the people gathering to trade, and right now it's more feasible than ever before for people to cooperate and trade while still being a hundred miles apart. There's also the whole thing where these days people can live far outside of a city and commute to work, which often leaves the population of people that are part of a city politically divided, so there's a limit to how politically powerful a city can become in that respect. There's even cases where areas along the edge of a city can start developing independently of the central city from people trying for shorter commutes. Urban sprawl may be spreading out to leave no area between cities, but that doesn't make it all united. Of course the horrible prophecy I think about too much these days is the idea of corporations becoming powerful political entities to the point that they totally overpower the old nation-states as national identities dissolve.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:24
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it's worth pointing out that port of philadelphia is busier than seattle or boston agreed though that "on a big river" generally is not what people think of as coastal, with the exception of new orleans perhaps
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Jul 29, 2020 18:24
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought that one of the reasons for city-states was the fact that there's so many things that could only really be done in cities, because of all the people gathering to trade, and right now it's more feasible than ever before for people to cooperate and trade while still being a hundred miles apart. Lmao
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Jul 29, 2020 18:29
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National identities are extremely good for marketing.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:30
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That has already sort of happened with nations being a tool of companies rather than representative of people. Certainly that’s how it is in the states.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:42
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Thats not weird at all. If someone said PA when they meant Michigan that would be pretty weird.  damnit you know what I meant
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luxury handset posted:it's worth pointing out that port of philadelphia is busier than seattle or boston i think a lot of sea trade in Louisiana even bypasses New Orleans completely, unloading instead in Baton Rouge, which is even less coastal than new orleans!  
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Squalid posted:i think a lot of sea trade in Louisiana even bypasses New Orleans completely, unloading instead in Baton Rouge, which is even less coastal than new orleans! iirc like the bottom hundred miles of the mississippi watershed are just one massive loving port complex anywhere they can stick a barge landing. like 2/3 of all the midwest grain passes through one of the numerous port complexes in louisiana i mean culturally though i dont know how much people consider new orleans "coastal" considering there's not a lot of beachy or shoreline activities you can do there, but it is the best place in america to get falling down drunk in a swamp. like when i think coastal i think miami, or los angeles, new york to a degree, or even boston as you gaze out to a flinty sea - not so much new orleans Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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"Oh I'm from Pa."
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought that one of the reasons for city-states was the fact that there's so many things that could only really be done in cities, because of all the people gathering to trade, and right now it's more feasible than ever before for people to cooperate and trade while still being a hundred miles apart. You'd think so. And yet cities continue to grow larger, and consistently are able to offer things that non-cities cannot. If you look at important centers of trade, culture, science, art, manufacturing you will find cities. You'd think people wouldn't need to live on top of eachother to collaborate, but apparently they do. As of 2016 or so most of the people in the world live in urban areas. Cities seem to be where all the action is, remote communication or not. quote:There's also the whole thing where these days people can live far outside of a city and commute to work, which often leaves the population of people that are part of a city politically divided, so there's a limit to how politically powerful a city can become in that respect. There's even cases where areas along the edge of a city can start developing independently of the central city from people trying for shorter commutes. Urban sprawl may be spreading out to leave no area between cities, but that doesn't make it all united. Yeah. Few urban areas are unified, and those that amalgamate or annex other areas run into interesting problems of their own.
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our use of the term "city" these days is ambiguous and leads to confusion - "cities" are best thought of not as distinct jurisdictions or collections of density but broad metropolitan areas which a bound together via employment patterns, where economic activity is centered in various traditional downtowns and then it spreads across the landscape to various affiliated entities linked together through a high degree of economic cooperation at a high level, think of each individual little cluster here as a city even if it is not named, or if it is associated by color with a larger network of cities https://figshare.com/articles/United_States_Commutes_and_Megaregions_data_for_GIS/4110156 
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Another weird Pennsylvania thing is that anecdotally, it's the only state I've ever heard its residents refer to as "PA" out loud (pronounced pee-ay, barely two syllables). I guess it's just that much easier to say than Pennsylvania? I live in Albuquerque and people use ABQ a lot for a similar reason: the name is a mouthful to say let alone spell without practice.
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luxury handset posted:our use of the term "city" these days is ambiguous and leads to confusion - "cities" are best thought of not as distinct jurisdictions or collections of density but broad metropolitan areas which a bound together via employment patterns, where economic activity is centered in various traditional downtowns and then it spreads across the landscape to various affiliated entities linked together through a high degree of economic cooperation Look at mega Detroit there. I also enjoy how the Marquette region seems to basically stop at the Seney Stretch.
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if europe was colonized by europe
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this isn't to imply that the entire red zone is people who commute to detroit, but rather that folks who commute to detroit live in places where some local jobs may be served by folks who commute from further out, and so on, and so on, so that you create large areas of linked economic affiliation to some regional city even if the folks who live in that large area rarely/never visit the regional city
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luxury handset posted:our use of the term "city" these days is ambiguous and leads to confusion - "cities" are best thought of not as distinct jurisdictions or collections of density but broad metropolitan areas which a bound together via employment patterns, where economic activity is centered in various traditional downtowns and then it spreads across the landscape to various affiliated entities linked together through a high degree of economic cooperation North Dakota looks like that satellite picture of North Korea at night. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_North_Korea#/media/File:Korean_Peninsula_at_night_from_space.jpg
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Bro Dad posted:if europe was colonized by europe There's plenty of good things about this. Unites Finland and metsäsuomalaiset, Denmark and Skåne, I'm sure the Sami will thrive better under Stockholm's less fascist government etc. The Basques get what's rightfully theirs, the Irish prods are diluted to a minority. I think I can support this
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luxury handset posted:this isn't to imply that the entire red zone is people who commute to detroit, but rather that folks who commute to detroit live in places where some local jobs may be served by folks who commute from further out, and so on, and so on, so that you create large areas of linked economic affiliation to some regional city even if the folks who live in that large area rarely/never visit the regional city Of course, I'm from inside the Detroit zone and almost never went anywhere near Detroit when I lived there. I'm kinda surprised it doesn't have Grand Rapids as a separate zone, I feel there are definitely parts of the state that turn towards Detroit and others that turn towards Grand Rapids.
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i think that the economic geography of michigan is distributed in such a way that it all kind of looks like one big mass from this high up, there is a more detailed view included with the paper as well as a pocket of rural eastern kentucky, firmly isolated in the appalachians, which functions as its own little independent economic cluster 
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Ras Het posted:There's plenty of good things about this. Unites Finland and metsäsuomalaiset, Denmark and Skåne, I'm sure the Sami will thrive better under Stockholm's less fascist government etc. The Basques get what's rightfully theirs, the Irish prods are diluted to a minority. I think I can support this Yeah why don't you sign up with the colonial overlords look at how they did my boy Belgium
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I would happily die for Greater Alsace
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luxury handset posted:iirc like the bottom hundred miles of the mississippi watershed are just one massive loving port complex anywhere they can stick a barge landing. like 2/3 of all the midwest grain passes through one of the numerous port complexes in louisiana There are places in Miami farther travel time wise from the beach than parts of Philadelphia. That's not a recent thing either. It was a day trip by train in the 1850s. States and cities have completely arbitrary boundaries.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I would happily die for Greater Alsace I'm an Eastern Irish Republican Army member trying to wrest control of the other half of Ulster back from Western Ireland. Also good: Newgoslavia: Now 98% Serb-Free!
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luxury handset posted:it's worth pointing out that port of philadelphia is busier than seattle or boston Yeah, if that's all it takes than Iowa is a coastal state.
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:I live in Albuquerque and people use ABQ a lot for a similar reason: the name is a mouthful to say let alone spell without practice. You guys are lucky as it's the only place where Weird Al will do that song because, you know, he kind of has to.
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luxury handset posted:i think that the economic geography of michigan is distributed in such a way that it all kind of looks like one big mass from this high up, there is a more detailed view included with the paper Florida's in a similar boat as that Detroit one where it looks like the the top half or so of the main body of Florida is just one big area and is really just a string of small cities linking up the big ones. 
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ASAPRockySituation posted:Top notch soft pretzels, tasty cakes, marshmallow fluff, peanut chews come to mind. I think water ice is also fairly local. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qF5NU-ehU
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Zedhe Khoja posted:lol at that lovely coastless state living up to that joke NK video Give it another 5-10 years
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We're all familiar with belgium.jpg, but this time I have a corona one with a twist: https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20200722_94671110  Flanders is the region that's doing the worst  Probably mostly accurate, but I am sceptical of Brussels. I see no structural factors that would explain the low rate there, other than differences in testing.
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Reporting this per 100.000 people and with that scale is loving dumb though. Some of those regions have so few people in them that they go straight into the highest category if a single person gets infected. Which means information is actually lost rather than gained.
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Orange Devil posted:Reporting this per 100.000 people and with that scale is loving dumb though. Some of those regions have so few people in them that they go straight into the highest category if a single person gets infected. Which means information is actually lost rather than gained. Yeah, last time I checked it was Andorra who held the unfortunate record of greatest number of covid-19 cases per million inhabitants. Of course Andorra's population is about 1/13th of a million, so this scary high number translated to something like fewer than 20 people.
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