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UnknownTarget posted:How long until a backer posts that image with the "delayed release -> backers wine because they're entitled impatient babies -> cig releases -> people love it" with the "you are here" arrow on it then somehow gets hundreds of upvotes? I’m waiting for another CTO to chime in with a 3000 word essay on why a project that’s five years late and 6x over-budget is a triumph in the making, but may just need a few slight tweaks.
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UnknownTarget posted:How long until a backer posts that image with the "delayed release -> backers wine because they're entitled impatient babies -> cig releases -> people love it" with the "you are here" arrow on it then somehow gets hundreds of upvotes? 
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The idea of Turbulent doing a top ten anime betrayal on CIG and stealing the project while CIG goes under did bring a rather sizeable smile from to my face. TonyZ from the GuardFreq podcast has speculated quiet a bit about deadlines, milestones, and investor money. TonyZ also has been speculating on the console port of a while now. He theorized that the 40 million dollars wasn't in one giant lump sum, but would be probably be spread out over time and chunks of money would only be released when milestones are met. He also, IIRC, had a feeling that the butcher's bill may come due in 2020 when SQ54's was supposed to enter beta. These are venture capitalists, after all, and they aim to make a return on their investment. Sooner, rather than later. Well, if CIG is missing deadlines and has to delay the SQ54 beta, that means that return on investment gets pushed down the road, and that means some unhappy investors. Remember how CR got kicked out of Hollywood. He made a promise he couldn't keep to someone you don't want to break promises too. We know what happened with CR and Digital Anvil/Freelancer. History repeats itself - investors might be the combo Microsoft/Kevin Cosner in SC's case. SQ54 is supposed to enter beta in Q3 2020. Instead, it will be delayed. Right when it will be delayed Star Wars: Squadrons, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, and Cyberpunk will be coming out. Halo: Infinite will be right around the quarter. A big delay for SQ54 right around the quarter after a year of stalled development, backers with pitch forkers in hand, next gen games about to starting releasing, the console port announcement clawing to get out of the bag and piss of the backers more, venture capitalists knocking on the door for their protection money. Quiet a storm is a head. It is almost enough to make me buy a starter package so I can post on Spectrum everyday about where is the SQ54 video, back F that stupid PR word salad. Nobody asked for a roadmap to a roadmap, we were promised a video and I want a video.
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Jul 30, 2020 07:24
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Popete posted:This really feels like open revolt among backers. I mean I doubt anything significant actually happens, CIG is supposedly still having their most successful year financially. See, these two points don't jibe with me. I see that backers are up in arms and I see that they are doing gangbusters sales-wise. I just can't understand how backers would keep spending after nearly a decade in development with craptacular results. The market is tapped, newer better games are here or on the way, and Star Citizen gets more broken the more they add. I honestly believe they're juicing the funding tracker somehow. Maybe it is tied to the investors? The money from buying part of the company is fed into the tracker as "income" instead of a sale of shares, but it is done monthly as long as goals are met. Goals that keep getting missed. So while some might assume the extra 60 million is on top of the 300 million raised, I'm guessing that the 60 million is part of the 300 million raised, used to smooth out the tracker during rough times and keep backer confidence high. Because as long as there are other people still pledging, Star Citizen will be finished eventually. It's what happens when the funding dips that the backers are scared of.
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Beluga Snail posted:So because the weirdest things bring me joy in life I have written up what is sure to be an (attempted at least) Gorf-ian effortpost detailing the "Roadmap of Roadmaps" or history of CIG and their scheduling. This is great work. I also remember CIG over all those years changed from date driven to content driven roadmaps/delivery, back and forth at least 3 times. Every time the backers nodded approvingly without a single shred of self awareness at previous changes. I am ashamed I cant be bothered to source those though.
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Jul 30, 2020 07:26
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TheBombPhilosopher posted:These are venture capitalists, after all, and they aim to make a return on their investment. Sooner, rather than later. Well, if CIG is missing deadlines and has to delay the SQ54 beta, that means that return on investment gets pushed down the road, and that means some unhappy investors. Seems TonyZ is wrong on this one. If we believe the tracker (haha) the return on the investment is already there. The Calders do not give a drat about what particular product brings in the dosh as long as the dosh comes. And it seems to still be coming in droves.
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Jul 30, 2020 07:32
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colonelwest posted:Myself and others in the thread have theorized that the game has been scraped and restarted at least once, and I still think that’s true. I think that SQ42 was mostly finished around 2016/2017, but then Chris lost confidence in it after games like COD:IW started lapping it There's no need to theorize anything, they actually confirmed that ages ago. The official answer was that it wasn't "up to their quality standards" so they rebooted the whole thing.
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Jul 30, 2020 07:45
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TheBombPhilosopher posted:SQ54 is supposed to enter beta in Q3 2020. Instead, it will be delayed. Right when it will be delayed Star Wars: Squadrons, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, and Cyberpunk will be coming out. Halo: Infinite will be right around the quarter. Also, presumably, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw's exclusivity on Epic Games Store will also expire and it will come out on Steam and/or GOG later this year too. That game needs more visibility especially to the crowd that wanted a Privateer with modern engine, upgraded visuals and fun gameplay.
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AbstractNapper posted:So what are the odds that they are now operating completely headless (as in Crobbler is a no-show) and pulled an update out of their rear end to just point to it and say "see, we still provide updates"? I checked CIG's BIOS settings and it said headless mode was set to 1, so they are totally prepared to virtualize the whole studio in ESXi and have the NPCs take over development any day now. Scruffpuff posted:I can't imagine any worse news for CIG than what logging into Star Citizen doesn't already provide you.
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Strangler 42 posted:They can't eject him without risking the fans turning and the funding evaporating. Best case is they sit him in the corner with a coloring book and a box of crayons. It totally needs to happen. So that Chris can make a new Kickstarter for his brand new space game idea, and preach how investors are evil and are the reason why Star Citizen turned out the way it did.
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Jul 30, 2020 08:06
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 Anticheese posted:Dereks Smart I still think Derek should open a chain of Dereks-Mart convenience stores in Tokyo.  TheAgent posted:hello 
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Jul 30, 2020 08:09
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Eh, good faith on Kickstarter ran out more than a couple years ago. He might be able to go a different route and partner up with Epic, since they seem desperate enough to get attention towards their store, and he might again score a freebie demo in Unreal engine to get things going.  But I kind of doubt he is going to pursue something in the games industry for a long time.
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Strangler 42 posted:I honestly believe they're juicing the funding tracker somehow. Maybe it is tied to the investors? The money from buying part of the company is fed into the tracker as "income" instead of a sale of shares, but it is done monthly as long as goals are met. Goals that keep getting missed. So while some might assume the extra 60 million is on top of the 300 million raised, I'm guessing that the 60 million is part of the 300 million raised, used to smooth out the tracker during rough times and keep backer confidence high. It is 100% that. They'll have figured out it's not technically illegal to smooth out the funding tracker in this way, probably based on the justification that investors are backers too right.
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TheAgent posted:hello This all sounds pretty plausible and aligns with the stuff we see from the outside. Congratulations, they had all resources, good artists and probably also good engineers at F42 + tons of money, but they pissed it all away and are now straight in development hell. Truly, the most transparent and open development ever.
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TheAgent posted:hello This is so dumb and ridiculous it must be true.
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TheAgent posted:Turbulent is taking over more and more development responsibilities, because they can plan and hit target dates and the investors like that. Incredibly unfair IMHO
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Dwesa posted:
Crobberts himself immidiately crashed once he picked up the controller to play his own game
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Strangler 42 posted:See, these two points don't jibe with me. I see that backers are up in arms and I see that they are doing gangbusters sales-wise. I just can't understand how backers would keep spending after nearly a decade in development with craptacular results. It’s because the backers don’t see it as craptacular! They absolutely think it’s amazing, a foundation for something that will literally rewrite gaming history, a paradigm shift that will destroy the foundations of the publisher model of game development. A normal person would look at pictures of their spaceships and planets and think ‘that looks ok’. Show them faces, and they’d think ‘well, those look unfinished’. Then tell them what they’ve seen took the best part of ten years and a third of a billion dollars and that the most significant recent developments are a) a bartender who occasionally makes a drink right and b) you sometimes randomly get locked in a hole and have to break rocks for three hours of real time to get out… their interest would wane sharply.
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It's been so long since Crobbler attempted to play live his own "game". Just release the footage of that meeting please, random thread intern who happened to have your phone's camera set to record.
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Jul 30, 2020 08:54
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tuo posted:Crobberts himself immidiately crashed once he picked up the controller to play his own game The true beauty of that moment was that he wasn't even aware how his game worked. It was phenomenal. Most game designers that I know of play the living poo poo out of their games.
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AbstractNapper posted:It's been so long since Crobbler attempted to play live his own "game". Agreed. While it seems harsh at first to force someone to play Star Citizen, it’s entertaining to watch when a higher up does it. Also, I would like to know if Calders asked if Dennis is around after the first crash.
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no_recall posted:The true beauty of that moment was that he wasn't even aware how his game worked. It was phenomenal. Most game designers that I know of play the living poo poo out of their games. That’s because Chris has his priorities right. He wants to make a movie with Scully, Luke and Jean-Baptiste Zorg, so who cares about some petty game for geeks?
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no_recall posted:This must be Freelancer 2.0. Chris ending up with nothing but "Special Thanks" and "Original Concept" again would be 
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Ms. Chanandler Bong posted:It is 100% that. They'll have figured out it's not technically illegal to smooth out the funding tracker in this way, probably based on the justification that investors are backers too right. This... I can't back if because of my own experience. My invested funds did not count towards the backer funding total in 2012, nor any moment after that, to include my divestment. I am willing to be wrong, but counting investor money through the funding tracker does not follow prior behavior. It is possible behavior has changed, but why would it change so much as to go so against prior behavior?
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It's missing the fourth and most obvious box: being summarily killed in your sleep for your betrayal - yes.
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Strangler 42 posted:I honestly believe they're juicing the funding tracker somehow. Visiting threads and streams of German SC Cultists , makes you realize that there are still and nonstop discussions what jpegs to buy next. The 40-50 year old guys with well paid jobs in their nerdism are discussing what JPEGs to buy next , because their disposable income is meant to make the BDSSE reality. You still underestimate how many of these freaks feel that their 700-1000 Euro ships are a small investment and they plan their ship portfolio to have sth. between 2K and 10K. The focus/target group seems to have 1000-2000 Euro/Dollars per YEAR spare to buy more ships. I met and watched so many of them that I doubt the tracker is fake. The CI not G Videos are fake, the tracker, I fear, is not. These dudes feel SC is their hobby and 100-200 bucks every month for SC is nothing that harms or limits their lifestyle in any way. 5000 of these guys who spend 1K -2K yearly already guarantee them 5-10 Million on ship sales. I guess 5000 nerds is a very defensive calculated number. It’s more like 10-15K who spend 1-2K yearly- Add the whales and the newcomers and the regular annually„ship sales“ buyers and 30 -40 Million per year add up.
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no_recall posted:The true beauty of that moment was that he wasn't even aware how his game worked. It was phenomenal. Most game designers that I know of play the living poo poo out of their games. He's a visionary, you know! He doesn't need a controller or HOTAS or whatever, he plays the game in his head...the final, finished game. <insert Crobbert-VR-Treadmill-gif> Couple of pages back (if I don't mix up threads?) IIRC Death Stranding came up. What stood out to me when I played that game was that every single cutscene that we've seen like two years earlier in the reveal trailer (and trailers after that) was in the game, exactly like shown, and that even early screenshots/gameplay reveals where in the game exactly as shown. I don't understand game development, but it seems to me that the game was in what I'd call an alpha (or even later) stage over twelve months before release, with most of the cutscene stuff and story finished. Still, they apparently (according to a tweet from Kojima) had to go into crunch mode couple weeks before release. Make of the game what you will, it is really polished and the game design is spot on for what Kojima wanted to achieve. Same with Last of us 2, to the point that they even had to/were able to replace characters in trailer-cutscenes with other ones to not spoil stuff. But Squadron 42, the game that will redefine PC gaming and gaming overall, will totally go into beta next quarter while they are still redoing the basic building blocks of their "game". Sure.... tl;dr: seeing how long it actually takes to polish modern AAA-titles, there's no way SQ42 will release in any barely playable state soon. As someone said above, if they'd have ANYTHING, they'd have shown it. It's not that hard to cut a trailer without spoiling stuff or even go the extra mile and replace characters to not spoil stuff.
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Colostomy Bag posted:I used it for awhile on my Nextdoor account. Hmm, that's odd. I use my AV on my pornhub account.
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I had a cat do that vertically. There was a gap between the fridge and the wall next to it, and I sometimes put leftovers which I planned to eat later on top of the fridge so the cat can't get to it. I wondered why that never really worked, until I once witnessed this parcour poo poo the cat pulled off to get on the top of the fridge. Also was my first cat. You learn a lot from it. Similar to the first octopus, when you actually measure it's beak after couple of hours to tweak every single slit on the tank.
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tuo posted:...But Squadron 42, the game that will redefine PC gaming and gaming overall, will totally go into beta next quarter while they are still redoing the basic building blocks of their "game". Sure.... If you want a vision of the future, imagine Roberts stamping his foot and telling you to do it over, but add more jackets - forever.
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Bofast posted:Chris ending up with nothing but "Special Thanks" and "Original Concept" again would be
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I am so glad I backed this game back in 2014 with an ugly ship I forgot the name about. How can I even explain the joy of reading the hello dumps now - it's a evolution of so many years of history that culminate is such big CIG fuckups
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Dwesa posted:And millions of dollars. Oh, yeah. True. 
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Mr.PayDay posted:Visiting threads and streams of German SC Cultists , makes you realize that there are still and nonstop discussions what jpegs to buy next. From star citizen main sub: Idris K or Kraken? https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/i0dlik/idris_k_or_kraken/ Day after spectrum went on fire, you have this. Commandos unironically discussing what whale ship to buy. Pledge meter is real, those people will buy ships no matter what.
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Daztek posted:https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-30-star-citizen-dev-responds-to-fans-still-waiting-for-new-squadron-42-roadmap quote:This reads like 'The Onion'. quote:BLOBBERS ASSOMBLE!
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