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Mithaldu posted:Now i wonder if germany is just very special to be healthy in this, or if it's because the north is very sparsely populated. Both. Germany is a smaller country with ten+ times the population so obviously the real estate business there is a completely different beast. EDIT: and the "if you own more than half" is also a key word here; if the bank owns in loan or mortages less than half of the property value, they at best can enforce sale of the property since they are a minority partner, not foreclose it. And as a sole actor, they cannot accept anything below the agreed property value as a winning bid. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I assume I'm not very far from you. Everything is hosed and stuff is starting to disappear off shelves near Richmond CO. How're yall fairin? Eh, yeah. I live in Wayne and work in Appling... two real winners in the current Georgia For instance: My boss is a nice, understanding man. I have never heard a less than completely complementary thing about him and I honestly think he respects my health/wishes more than he respects his own. His kids still hang out at their grandma's house two or three days a week and I've never seen him in a mask at work, but we only have face to face meetings outside (and generally from 10-15 feet apart) and he's been very supportive of me working from home whenever it makes more sense. He's also bending over backward to help me get transferred instead of laid-off in month. Having to move to Hall county in maybe September if things go "well" is a completely separate shitstorm waiting to happen, but I guess it would be better than being among the massive throng of the suddenly unemployed... and can only really fret about so many things at a time.
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As an american in Atlanta, how feasible would it be to simply keep a 7 year old out of school for a year assuming at least one person in the house doesn't need to go out to work?
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I don't own any rental property, but I have to wonder. There are lots of people out there who move frequently for any one of a number of reasons. Maybe to find better job opportunities, maybe simply because they don't want to live in the same place their entire lives, maybe for one of a multitude of reasons I can only guess at. Sometimes this is out of necessity, sometimes this is purely by choice. Most of these people rent because it makes more sense to do so in their situation. If landlords are all sent to the guillotine, it seems like those people have maybe three options available: 1) Go through the time, hassle, and expense of buying/selling a house every time they relocate. 2) Spend their entire lives living in a hotel (unless hotels should also be abolished for the same reason as rental housing). 3) Some combination of vagrancy, living in an RV, finding a houseboat and sticking to coastal cities, etc. What is the solution for people in this situation?
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Mithaldu posted:As an american in Atlanta, how feasible would it be to simply keep a 7 year old out of school for a year assuming at least one person in the house doesn't need to go out to work? If there's a stay at home parent shouldn't simply applying to homeschool the kid be an option? If, in a year, things have returned to a level of normal where reentering the school system is "viable and safe" then in theory the child won't have lost much ground. There should be a (probably overloaded) bureaucratic process to jump through, but I haven't heard anything about restricting it.
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Mithaldu posted:in other other words: I put a hand sanitizer dispenser in my common area but someone broke it open and stole all the goo. One of my tenants who's a handyman had customers worried about him working indoors so I loaned him a $300 full-face respirator all the way back in March. If you wanna go full galaxy-brain ethics, aren't tenants almost as culpable as landlords? The landlords wouldn't exist if instead of paying rent you bought some plywood from home depot and moved to Portland's city-sanctioned Tiny Home area. #vanlife is hip now
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JoshGuitar posted:I don't own any rental property, but I have to wonder. There are lots of people out there who move frequently for any one of a number of reasons. Maybe to find better job opportunities, maybe simply because they don't want to live in the same place their entire lives, maybe for one of a multitude of reasons I can only guess at. Sometimes this is out of necessity, sometimes this is purely by choice. Most of these people rent because it makes more sense to do so in their situation. People who cannot get rentals for a short-term gig like building contracts, or are specialists who travel between towns and work as industry/assembly line specialists or contractors usually live on winterproofed RVs. Privately, or as a contractor living in a hotel (or even hostel) is stupidly expensive in the Nordic countries unless you are a huge company who can rent out a fleet of rooms on discount prices. Military and law enforcement people who have to change their posts at regular intervals and do not get that great pay tend to do the option 1 but only if they have family. Otherwise they have rooms or houses available at request by the base/county/etc. but they usually also are absolute bachelor poo poo holes.
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Everyone doesn’t own their home within 8 years of living in it, I ask as I chortle into my brandy snifter
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Yeah, I know that living in the US is a loving miserable thing unless you are born into wealth or are a San Fran IT billionaire.
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Zero VGS posted:If you wanna go full galaxy-brain ethics, aren't tenants almost as culpable as landlords? No. You took the risk owning and in return for the money you get you are responsible for providing an adequate quality of life to your tenants; there is no expectation for them to provide such for you. And if you're already getting bitter that someone stole a few bucks worth of hand sanitizer, you're maybe not cut out for this. If people didn't buy up property as investment capital, there would be more places that are affordable for folks and they would be able to own - but as anything reasonably priced is immediately snapped up to turn a buck, folks have to rely on rentals and so this is the system we are currently stuck with. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Zero VGS posted:I put a hand sanitizer dispenser in my common area but someone broke it open and stole all the goo. Aight, i stand corrected, you did ... like, 1.5 things. Now do it consistently regardless of how well it's received. Going by pure capitalism you'd want your renters still alive, no? Also, no, because single home nuclear family bullshit is a degenerative case. Similar to joking, as a person in power, about people in a third world hellhole, some of which you hold power over. Considered converting to a coop? Also, whoever stole the goo didn't do so to fence it for high $, but out of necessity, meaning they cared, but didn't trust that it would be around later on. Show them you're willing to make it be around and they'll respect it. The Strangest Finch posted:If there's a stay at home parent shouldn't simply applying to homeschool the kid be an option? If, in a year, things have returned to a level of normal where reentering the school system is "viable and safe" then in theory the child won't have lost much ground. There should be a (probably overloaded) bureaucratic process to jump through, but I haven't heard anything about restricting it.
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The Strangest Finch posted:If there's a stay at home parent shouldn't simply applying to homeschool the kid be an option? If, in a year, things have returned to a level of normal where reentering the school system is "viable and safe" then in theory the child won't have lost much ground. There should be a (probably overloaded) bureaucratic process to jump through, but I haven't heard anything about restricting it. Unless the parent was trained and accredited in homeschooling (IDK how the process works), I wouldn't trust them to homeschool their child. As a veteran of many parent-teacher conferences, I am often astounded by the lack of common sense or backbone from parents. Like, this is your kid - if he's acting up at home, maybe set boundaries with them? I would worry about your lazy/apathetic parents trying to teach their kid. Mithaldu posted:Honestly, i don't really give a drat about lost ground if it keeps the kid and parents alive, but that's just me griping. Thanks a lot for the info, i'll have to suggest it. But yeah, I agree with this too. Right now, priority should be keeping people healthy and safe.
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i'd probably be really worried that unemployment is the highest it's ever been and we're about to go into the first month of no expanded benefits if I had tenants food or rent isn't really much of a thinker also lol at one of the answers to "what's trashy if your poor, but classy if you're rich" being "not paying rent" https://therealdeal.com/2020/07/15/simon-property-group-sics-the-lawyers-on-deadbeat-tenants/ zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Facebook Aunt posted:Oh yeah, I wear a mask any time I'm at a public place indoors. I'm just saying a face shield is no additional discomfort. Face shields give a false sense of protection, similar to a surgical mask it might be within the margin of error better than wearing absolutely nothing for safeguarding the wearer from exposure to particulate in the air, although it should be significantly better at helping reduce outbound particulate from spreading. If you feel you need to wear a face shield in a high risk public environment you should be wearing sealed goggles and a sealed n95 respirator.
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zer0spunk posted:i'd probably be really worried that unemployment is the highest it's ever been and we're about to go into the first month of no expanded benefits if I had tenants has there been some kind of unemployment update i'm not aware of? unemployment isn't at 25% (which is the highest it's ever been)
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Today I'm going to buy a whole poo poo load of canned goods. This fall and winter are not going to be pretty.
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Azathoth Prime posted:By this logic, farmers are scum too. redreader posted:No, the equivalent to a farmer for houses would be someone who builds houses and sells them to people who need them. I'd also contend that another difference is that it's easier to regularly get food from a food pantry or soup kitchen than it is to comfortably live long term in a homeless shelter.
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Mithaldu posted:Also, whoever stole the goo didn't do so to fence it for high $, but out of necessity, meaning they cared, but didn't trust that it would be around later on. Show them you're willing to make it be around and they'll respect it. 'But I did it once and someone made me feel like my system wasn't perfect! Don't they owe ME something too? I give up, these people are animals!' That's landlord poster guy, that's what he sounds like.
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Captain Beans posted:has there been some kind of unemployment update i'm not aware of? oh you're right, 14% at it's peak, second only to the great depression..i should have used in my lifetime, unless y'all are pushing an average age of 90 years old tbf i think it'll rise as more things get shuttered again, we're going the other way as a country zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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hey i hear there's this other forum called c-spam that might be really interested in hearing how much you'd like to murder landlords
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zer0spunk posted:oh you're right, 14% at it's peak, second only to the great depression..i should have used in my lifetime, unless y'all are pushing an average age of 90 years old don't worry as more unemployed people die from the rona or being homeless it will keep the number down, daddy trump has us all covered you see its gonna get worse
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No one wants to murder landlords but that one guy claiming he put some hand gel around so he did his due diligence is lol
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Captain Beans posted:its gonna get worse what do you even call the sequel..the greater depression?
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it'll be the greatest depression, just the greatest i'm told
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Platystemon posted:Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma when jumping from aircraft: randomized controlled trial 
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You get the exact results you measure for. Similarly, if you stop testing all but the most obvious cases and disallow postmortem diagnosis you'll see that Covid-19 is actually no longer an issue!
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zer0spunk posted:what do you even call the sequel..the greater depression? lets give trump credit for it, THE GREATEST DEPRESSION
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Captain Beans posted:lets give trump credit for it, THE GREATEST DEPRESSION THE BESTEST DEPRESSION
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StrangersInTheNight posted:No. You took the risk owning and in return for the money you get you are responsible for providing an adequate quality of life to your tenants; there is no expectation for them to provide such for you. And if you're already getting bitter that someone stole a few bucks worth of hand sanitizer, you're maybe not cut out for this. Sure I took a risk, it's just a little weird that we reopened the casino, we're bailing out fuckin' Shake Shack, but the government can't say "hey, if your tenants actually miss payments we'll cover it". Here in Boston there's some landlords suing the state over it: https://realestate.boston.com/news/2020/07/23/landlords-use-mass-over-eviction-ban/ quote:The moratorium violates the constitutional right to petition the judiciary, the right of free speech under the First Amendment, and the right to just compensation for an unlawful taking of their property under the Fifth Amendment, and it is an unconstitutional impairment of their leases, Vetstein said. Makes sense to me when they put it that way. But nope, give it all to Shake Shack and bankers: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/23/shake-shack-small-business-loan-economy
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Der Kyhe posted:You get the exact results you measure for. Death stats end up in databases with local counties so I would imagine at least one of the 3400 should have statistics on this years causes and volumes of deaths to compare to historic averages? Misclassification is definitely happening if only for lack of testing, agency, will, and political suppression, but I would assume there’s going to be statistically obvious abnormalities this year. From C19, with C19, and as a result of the disruptions to hospital access for totally unrelated health issues. edit: and hopefully at least a few other nations might release comprehensive statistical reports on comparisons with historic norms
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Computer Serf posted:Death stats end up in databases with local counties so I would imagine at least one of the 3400 should have statistics on this years causes and volumes of deaths to compare to historic averages? Yes, I completely agree with this and this applies to all countries. The only real measurements to assess the true impact of C19 which does not include the fuddled paperwork, purposeful missclassification and all of the other shenanigans will be in the amount of existing tax-payers and citizens, maybe starting in the year 2022. Expecting that the tax office and such are not required to massage the numbers to fit the political agenda.
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the post mortem on this pandemic is going to be something else whenever we come out on the other side of it i keep seeing articles like this pop up (different poll samples but all pretty similar results with less then 50% saying no) https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200728/webmd-covid-vaccine-poll quote:The poll of 1,000 readers finds many of them reluctant to take a potential COVID vaccine, even though public health experts have said it’s the best way to move past the pandemic. quote:This serves as a wake-up call,” said John Whyte, MD, chief medical officer of WebMD. “If immunization rates are low, then we’re not going to achieve the level of herd immunity needed to protect us from this virus.” we should probably start to ease the public now into getting a vaccine is the right thing to do otherwise this thing is going to linger for so much longer then it needs to e: i always forget trump believes in the vaccines give you autism thing that everyone and their grandma debunked https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/238717783007977473 zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Zero VGS posted:Sure I took a risk, it's just a little weird that we reopened the casino, we're bailing out fuckin' Shake Shack, but the government can't say "hey, if your tenants actually miss payments we'll cover it". Agreed, but that's not on the tenants nor should they be punished for it - that's on the government. We all know the pandemic response in terms of financial aid has just been a clusterfuck - turns out you get to feel it with us. You are not immune to the current economic pressures. Really, this should be motivating you to be pissed that the govt isn't providing more help to individuals. If your tenants are stable, you are stable. If they are destabilized, so are you. It's in your best interest that infrastructures develop to stabilize these individuals - and in your best interest to help foster and contribute to these systems, not oppose them or get bitter at what you feel is neglected 'personal responsibility' on the part of your tenants. Your job isn't to judge them. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Zero VGS posted:Sure I took a risk, it's just a little weird that we reopened the casino, we're bailing out fuckin' Shake Shack, but the government can't say "hey, if your tenants actually miss payments we'll cover it". its not weird at all, they just don't give a poo poo about you, or individual people and other small businesses. why? because you don't have enough money to buy their attention. when you look at it through that lens it makes total sense
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I can tell you that large number of Finnish people hate the idea of "test-stage vaccinations" simply because we took the Pandemrix as a part of the national vaccination program for the swine flu, and the amount of Narcolepsy cases ten-folded, especially with the children between 9-18. OK so the vaccination itself was bulletproof and did its job, but ruined the live for hundreds of young people messing with their brains. And yet, we are one of the countries that still would accept early vaccination. EDIT: One of my friend's wife got it while in university and under the university student health care system. She basically sleeps or is awake only because she has a horse-level upper and downer diet, for the rest of her life. Obviously the government health security system pays for this poo poo and she is on permanent disability, but that took years to get resolved since she was 19 when she took it. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Der Kyhe posted:Northern Europe, Nordics to be more specific, and live anywhere outside capital regions, or other large metropolitan areas such as Malmö or Tampere, and it is actually cheaper to buy than rent stuff, if your salary and other income is enough to get a deal with the bank. if everyone owns their home who y'all rentin to tho?
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Haramstufe Rot posted:if everyone owns their home who y'all rentin to tho? Students, foreigners, short termers, people who just got divorced, people who for some reason cannot or will not buy own... etc Its not a *as* lucrative business here, as it seems to be in other parts of the world.
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Der Kyhe posted:I can tell you that large number of Finnish people hate the idea of "test-stage vaccinations" simply because we took the Pandemrix as a part of the national vaccination program for the swine flu, and the amount of Narcolepsy cases ten-folded, especially with the children between 9-18. russia says they'll have one by august 10th but they are basically cutting corners on phase 2 (100s administered) to go to phase 3 (thousands) https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html
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The homeless would be well within their rights to seize occupancy of homes from their owners, regardless if those owners are landlords or not. "Owning your own home" is as socially toxic an ideology as "medical care should be privatized."
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zer0spunk posted:russia says they'll have one by august 10th Yeah, I would not take anything from anyone with this level of work.
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