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Ibblebibble posted:MIND  Man, how many life points has this guy paid at this point? E: update on previous page. TeeQueue fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Additionally, I love Delta mind hacking Eric into shooting him to demonstrate his phenomenal powers. Probably could have accomplished the same thing by moving at him and saying "Ooga booga." And isn't that just the greatest Mind Hack of all?
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Jul 31, 2020 07:50
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Hey, Akane? Remember last year/decade when you prayed to a voodoo doll and did something a whole lot like this across time to the person you loved the most so you could not burn to death? And even wrote a thought? I'm not letting this go.
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Jul 31, 2020 07:51
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Okay, but why was he in such great shape at 120?
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Jul 31, 2020 07:54
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Mind hakku is the dumbest loving thing, and Delta gratuitously killing Gab is hilarious. The ending is just so gloriously stupid.
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Jul 31, 2020 07:55
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I liked the implication that the player is Delta forcing people to pick every choice just so we can see every single ending, but then they didn't make that Delta's motivation and this last choice explicitly happens when he's dead so 
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Jul 31, 2020 07:58
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Onmi posted:I mean, basically we're asking if it's worth it to have people with knowledge of the shelter outside compared to people with no knowledge of the shelter. Which means the other question is "What information did we learn in the shelter that's worth carrying outside it." The actual question is, do we want to go to a timeline where Gab is alive? Clearly Delta shot him to influence our decision.
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Jul 31, 2020 08:08
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Gab is a robot with a blood pack inside.
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Jul 31, 2020 08:10
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Delta being a dick via semi-self-inflicted shotgun is pretty normal of him, based on everything he's put the cast through. He doesn't need to be here to make this decision, at least. He already got what he wanted.
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Jul 31, 2020 08:10
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The extra dumb bit is that within the game itself SHIFT escalated from 'some people have it' to 'oh, by the way, we can make anyone get SHIFT powers now. Just gotta put them in danger and surround them with other SHIFTers'. Also I guess the implication is that Diana evolved her powers during the game, because otherwise you'd think she'd have not been in the 'my abusive husband beats me up on the regular' timeline by this point. That's not even getting to how Akane/Junpei's powers just magically evolved after a year.
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Jul 31, 2020 08:48
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Why is this soooo lame? I would have accepted psychokinesis before this (that's what I thought went down in that other ending anyways  ).
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Jul 31, 2020 09:38
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maswastaken posted:Hey, Akane? Remember last year/decade when you prayed to a voodoo doll and did something a whole lot like this across time to the person you loved the most so you could not burn to death? And even wrote a thought? In Akane's defence, she was 10 at the time. I think any moral judgement has to take into account the circumstances of a terrified 10 years old against the calculated callousness of this 124 years rear end in a top hat. Adult Akane didn't really do anything like this to Junpei. But this game made me dislike Akane and despise Junpei so
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Jul 31, 2020 10:17
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Cloacamazing! posted:The actual question is, do we want to go to a timeline where Gab is alive? Clearly Delta shot him to influence our decision. He did, technically, remove any reason for these guys to stay behind, by killing Gab (Who can't shift) and himself. Not that anyone is going to hesitate because of Delta.
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Jul 31, 2020 12:00
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Omobono posted:In Akane's defence, she was 10 at the time. I think any moral judgement has to take into account the circumstances of a terrified 10 years old against the calculated callousness of this 124 years rear end in a top hat. In another timeline, Adult Akane does induce amnesia in Junpei, vanishes from his life for 45 years, then gets him to participate in a death game where he either finds her dead body in multiple timelines, dies from various means, and/or remains trapped in a shelter forever. And that's actually light compared to what Delta does.
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Jul 31, 2020 12:08
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Wait a second: if Sean can open the X Door at any time, why didn't he just open it when he and his team went to the QCD room? Why even bother with the Force Quit Box at all?  At the very least, make a plan to just circumvent the game once you meet up with D Team! ApplesandOranges posted:
Delta really is the worst part of this game, aside from his Zero outfit. Onmi posted:He did, technically, remove any reason for these guys to stay behind, by killing Gab (Who can't shift) and himself. Not that anyone is going to hesitate because of Delta. I feel like D Team is probably the only group that would care about leaving Gab behind. Akane even blew him up once. 
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Jul 31, 2020 12:15
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I love Akane. She's perfectly pleasant to have a conversation with, but she's absolutely, unstoppably ruthless. I expected her to be a bit of a generic meek love interest when she was first introduced, but she turned out to be so much more interesting than that. She's not a good person, but she's a great character. Carlos is my favourite, though. He's known Akane and Junpei for ten minutes, but he cares about them with a ridiculous intensity and he'll happily sacrifice every other version of himself to keep them safe. He literally stood back and let the apocalypse happen because he wouldn't have met those two otherwise. He's extremely stupid and extremely good. (He's also extremely lucky that Akane forgave him for his terrible 'pin her down and whisper to her' plan. I love how much delight she's obviously taking in telling the others about it. She's not going to let you live it down, Carlos!)
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Jul 31, 2020 12:23
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Wait a second: if Sean can open the X Door at any time, why didn't he just open it when he and his team went to the QCD room? Why even bother with the Force Quit Box at all? At that point, Delta is still kinda around and the others are passed out. Presumably they still kinda care about getting everyone out (well Sean does, Mira is shrug and who knows about Eric). The real question is, why Carlos and co. didn't just go straight to the Pod Room and wake everyone up. If they can get the cards from the Transporter room, presumably they can figure out where the Pod Room is. (Also I'm not even sure how they got the cards anyway without notice. I think it's implied that Akane grabbed them while Carlos and Junpei were tussling in the Power Room, but it's not like the cameras wouldn't have spotted Akane running around, and at that point, why even bother with the charade?)
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Jul 31, 2020 12:55
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Carlos has a number of admirable, positive qualities (brave, compassionate, loyal, selfless) but strategic long-term planning is not one of them.
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Jul 31, 2020 13:05
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ApplesandOranges posted:At that point, Delta is still kinda around and the others are passed out. Presumably they still kinda care about getting everyone out (well Sean does, Mira is shrug and who knows about Eric). Well, like I said, they don't even make a plan to make a break for it with D-Team or anything after carrying C-Team's bodies from the Pod Room (given they'd assume they'd be unconscious) in the next round. Also, Sean would remember that Q is Delta is Zero from Q-Ending 2, so what is Delta doing in the Force Quit route and why is no one concerned about him either being there and doing nothing or being missing?
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Jul 31, 2020 13:42
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ApplesandOranges posted:(Also I'm not even sure how they got the cards anyway without notice. I think it's implied that Akane grabbed them while Carlos and Junpei were tussling in the Power Room, but it's not like the cameras wouldn't have spotted Akane running around, and at that point, why even bother with the charade?) If you've ever seen the well known "count the basketball passes" video, same kind of thing.
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Jul 31, 2020 14:49
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Araxxor posted:Mind hack. It's really just called that. I burst out laughing when I read that sentence. I hope everyone did. It's incredibly dumb. (and very funny)
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Jul 31, 2020 15:17
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I'm just going to assume that "ridiculous longevity" is baked into the SHIFTer/psyker power set. That or Diana/Sigma has EXTREMELY good genes. Or cryogenic shenanigans, since Phi gets put to sleep for 45 years about a week from now.
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Jul 31, 2020 15:19
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MarquiseMindfang posted:I'm just going to assume that "ridiculous longevity" is baked into the SHIFTer/psyker power set. That or Diana/Sigma has EXTREMELY good genes. Considering I believe VLR said "Brother" is alive even in modern VLR, it would mean that Delta survived to 200+ years old.
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Jul 31, 2020 15:33
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Onmi posted:Considering I believe VLR said "Brother" is alive even in modern VLR, it would mean that Delta survived to 200+ years old. But for how many of those years would Phi retain the ability to drop kick people from across the room?
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Jul 31, 2020 15:43
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Delta shot the dog just so the audience could realize that he's a straight villain, unlike the other Zeroes. Carlos did his stupid plan, which included assault, (momentarily) breaking trust and getting pummeled for nothing. Eric really has no reason to be there, huh? All the shotgun scenes could have been done by Mira or anyone else during Mind Hack™. Guess Delta found it funny or maybe it's part of his yet unrevealed complex motives.
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Jul 31, 2020 15:51
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I feel like D Team is probably the only group that would care about leaving Gab behind. Akane even blew him up once. Life is simply unfair. Don't you think?
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Jul 31, 2020 16:16
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Rith posted:Carlos is my favourite, though. He's known Akane and Junpei for ten minutes, but he cares about them with a ridiculous intensity and he'll happily sacrifice every other version of himself to keep them safe. He literally stood back and let the apocalypse happen because he wouldn't have met those two otherwise. He's extremely stupid and extremely good. (He's also extremely lucky that Akane forgave him for his terrible 'pin her down and whisper to her' plan. I love how much delight she's obviously taking in telling the others about it. She's not going to let you live it down, Carlos!) You know, I never really thought about how hilariously immediately ride-or-die Carlos is for Akane and Junpei, but he really is just like... 
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Jul 31, 2020 16:18
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Omobono posted:In Akane's defence, she was 10 at the time. I think any moral judgement has to take into account the circumstances of a terrified 10 years old against the calculated callousness of this 124 years rear end in a top hat. Sean saying Phi and Delta were born with unique powers really falls flat on its face when one of them's in a room full of people who not only have that power too but half of them also used it more than her.
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Jul 31, 2020 16:22
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I would love to know if this ending was so camp and hilarious on purpose. So much of this game feels so compromised; I know it had a baby-sized budget that looks like it was spent almost entirely on VAs, but is that an excuse for the writing taking such a wild turn here? It’s so weird that the more that I think about ZTD the more I love it, because it is objectively silly. Motherfucker said “Mind Hack.” He shot the dog! Delta is the best.
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Jul 31, 2020 16:24
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Rith posted:Carlos is my favourite, though. He's known Akane and Junpei for ten minutes, but he cares about them with a ridiculous intensity and he'll happily sacrifice every other version of himself to keep them safe. He literally stood back and let the apocalypse happen because he wouldn't have met those two otherwise. He's extremely stupid and extremely good. (He's also extremely lucky that Akane forgave him for his terrible 'pin her down and whisper to her' plan. I love how much delight she's obviously taking in telling the others about it. She's not going to let you live it down, Carlos!) Carlos deserves better than two people who won't hesitate to go batshit and kill him if he even looks funny at their not-a-partner Speaking of, is it ever officially revealed who decapitated Junpei? I assumed it was a deathtrap and his head put there by Zero.
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Jul 31, 2020 16:25
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Carlos deserves better than two people who won't hesitate to go batshit and kill him if he even looks funny at their not-a-partner It's heavily implied to be Mira, I think. I didnt enjoy ZTD while I was playing it, but I've come to think of it fondly for its few good moments and for its unabashed silliness. Mindhack!
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Jul 31, 2020 16:30
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OddHaberdasher posted:But for how many of those years would Phi retain the ability to drop kick people from across the room? I'm gonna go with 'Phi is always able to drop kick people from across the room," because Phi not drop kicking people from across the room is just unimaginable.
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Jul 31, 2020 16:33
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Skylight posted:I'm gonna go with 'Phi is always able to drop kick people from across the room," because Phi not drop kicking people from across the room is just unimaginable. Phi needs to be a DLC guest fighter in Dive Kick. :P
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Jul 31, 2020 16:42
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Skylight posted:I'm gonna go with 'Phi is always able to drop kick people from across the room," because Phi not drop kicking people from across the room is just unimaginable. 
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Jul 31, 2020 16:49
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There's a good deal of poetry in Phi drop kicking Dio and Delta/Brother within days of each other from her perspective 
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Jul 31, 2020 17:00
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wologar posted:Eric really has no reason to be there, huh? All the shotgun scenes could have been done by Mira or anyone else during Mind Hack™. Guess Delta found it funny or maybe it's part of his yet unrevealed complex motives. In-universe, Eric is there probably because Mira roped him into the Dcom experiment and Delta was like "Oh, you're dating the guy whose mom died because of the snail. That's hilarious." Out of universe, Eric is most definitely a waste of a character slot, even if his "Haha, I found the shotgun.  " scenes entertain me immensely.Rabbi Raccoon posted:Speaking of, is it ever officially revealed who decapitated Junpei? I assumed it was a deathtrap and his head put there by Zero. mycelia posted:It's heavily implied to be Mira, I think. You might have missed it since the ridiculous "Haha, I was offscreen" thing happened at the same time, but we did get an answer.   Despite that, inputting Mira on the Who Killed Junpei? choice does nothing.
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Jul 31, 2020 17:03
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Despite that, inputting Mira on the Who Killed Junpei? choice does nothing. Right, but, I mean, the fact that this is the Actual Truth has no bearing on the fact that you're probably not going to convince anyone of that, in that moment, based on what they all think they know.
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Jul 31, 2020 17:08
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Out of universe, Eric is most definitely a waste of a character slot, even if his "Haha, I found the shotgun. Uchikoshi accessed the morphogenetic field to find out about the Danganronpa writer's attempt to write a character nobody likes and was all "You are like a little baby. Watch this  "
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Jul 31, 2020 17:14
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maswastaken posted:It's less the morality thing, more that everything's so contorted to fit into this idea of Delta being so unique, plot holes be damned. My apologies, I misunderstood what you were saying then. Seconding, thirding, fourthing [...] omega-ing that Delta loving sucks then.
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Fedule posted:Right, but, I mean, the fact that this is the Actual Truth has no bearing on the fact that you're probably not going to convince anyone of that, in that moment, based on what they all think they know. Fair point, though it's kind of a shame that Chainsaw Akane doesn't have as many option outcomes as Shotgun Eric. Tonfa posted:Uchikoshi accessed the morphogenetic field to find out about the Danganronpa writer's attempt to write a character nobody likes and was all "You are like a little baby. Watch this I'd believe it.
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Jul 31, 2020 17:24
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