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sunak's a paper minister; it takes more than just a good public image to be a serious candidate for prime minster. they binned off saj because he tried to retain his own operation in no.11 so you can assume sunak was completely housebroken as a requirement of being offered the job. if they decide that dishy rishi has become a threat to boris they'll magic up 10 stories about how he cheated on his wife and lined his pockets on exies or something and he'll be done. the usual remain/russiagate loons seem to be whipping themselves into a frenzy about how boris is going to be deposed, but by whom? 80 seat majority; proven election winner; ratings are broadly stable in in the face of absolute catastrophe; no clear successor; four more years to go; a willingness to chuck people out of tory party all together for the slightest disloyalty. it's not happening.
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communism bitch posted:I'm convinced there's some shadowy cabal grooming Rishi Sunak as a replacement for Boris. He's been getting a lot of positive airtime lately, and everything the treasury does is attributed to Sunak, rather than Boris' government in general, and in a way I don't recall seeing with previous Chancellors. He superficially fits the picture for new leader of a party that will eventually have to crawl out from under Boris' corpse - marginally competent, blandly unoffensive, conventionally handsome, no Bullingdon-level baggage that I'm aware of. Might have to put a cheeky tenner on it. I think it's the opposite. All the coverage is about tying him, and only him, to the economy. Between covid and Brexit that is not a happy place to be in the next year or so even if he wasn't determined to do turbo austerity. Boris gets to tut and sack him and then berate all the people talking him up when the inevitable happens and even if by some miracle it all goes well then the Tory membership are more likely to elect Corbyn than they are Sunak for... some reason
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Jul 31, 2020 18:49
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Eh, I think enough tories have enough room for "one of the good ones" that he could have a shot. But I do think tying him to the economy is either a deliberate plan to set him up as a scapegoat when it the last wheel comes off, or alternatively, they really are setting him up as PM material because they're too thick to realize the economy is doing a Tomb Raider 1 style swan dive off a cliff onto a bunch of rocks.
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Jul 31, 2020 18:59
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Never occurred to me that they might be setting him up to take the fall. I'm clearly not ruthless enough for politics.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:00
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Don't forget as well that most people do not understand anything deeper economically than 'he made pints cheaper.' He could sell every man, woman & child in the country into indentured servitude, and as long as the process is too complicated for the Sun to print, all anyone will remember is the cheap booze.
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Ms Adequate posted:Eh, I think enough tories have enough room for "one of the good ones" that he could have a shot. But I do think tying him to the economy is either a deliberate plan to set him up as a scapegoat when it the last wheel comes off, or alternatively, they really are setting him up as PM material because they're too thick to realize the economy is doing a Tomb Raider 1 style swan dive off a cliff onto a bunch of rocks. The ultimate decision is in the hands of the membership. Imagine what sort of person was a member of the Tory party *before* Britain First et. al. started doing entryism. And they *absolutely* know exactly what will happen to the economy and no doubt have considerable amounts of money riding on it. communism bitch posted:Never occurred to me that they might be setting him up to take the fall. I'm clearly not ruthless enough for politics. Always assume the worst possible motivation when dealing with Tory infighting. You know how all centrists think they're in the West Wing? All Tories think they're in House of Cards.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:07
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Rustybear posted:sunak's a paper minister; it takes more than just a good public image to be a serious candidate for prime minster. Then why is boris PM?
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Jul 31, 2020 19:08
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think it's the opposite. All the coverage is about tying him, and only him, to the economy. Between covid and Brexit that is not a happy place to be in the next year or so even if he wasn't determined to do turbo austerity. Boris gets to tut and sack him and then berate all the people talking him up when the inevitable happens and even if by some miracle it all goes well then the Tory membership are more likely to elect Corbyn than they are Sunak for... some reason Why not both? People go off Boris, they have a well known, well liked alternative, people stay on Boris, he gets to have a high profile scalp and appear strong and statesmanlike and Tough Decisions.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:15
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The ultimate decision is in the hands of the membership. Imagine what sort of person was a member of the Tory party *before* Britain First et. al. started doing entryism. And they *absolutely* know exactly what will happen to the economy and no doubt have considerable amounts of money riding on it. Yeah, you're probably right... Sometimes I forget that they're as malicious as they are incompetent.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:26
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gh0stpinballa posted:what are people talking about with this gnashetjew being connected to a lawyer and that's why they have closed the account or something? He trademarked the gnasherjew logo, turns out he’s an ex-squaddie with disturbingly familiar views about catholic’s in Northern Ireland and can sing all the good songs with the proper words in. Obviously this means that TAO and RR and LAAS are actually fully paid up members of the UVF.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:31
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Jul 31, 2020 19:31
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For some reason a jewish guy having really strong opinions on interreligious conflict in northern ireland is really funny to me.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:33
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OwlFancier posted:For some reason a jewish guy having really strong opinions on interreligious conflict in northern ireland is really funny to me. Do you want to hear a really funny fact about him?
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Jul 31, 2020 19:48
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Is gnasherjew the one where the guy running it isn't actually jewish?
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Jul 31, 2020 19:51
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Honestly they're just blatantly fluffing Sunak. It's client journalism. There's no clever attempt to tie him to the economy, they're just saying "GOOD THING HAPPEN. GOOD THING SUNAK".
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Jul 31, 2020 19:53
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Also the bar has been set so low by other tories that when someone who isn't a fat inbred ra[p/c]ist comes along, the media creams their collective jeans at the opportunity to start putting 'dishy rishi' in headlines.
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Jul 31, 2020 19:58
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Also the bar has been set so low by other tories that when someone who isn't a fat inbred ra[p/c]ist comes along, the media creams their collective jeans at the opportunity to start putting 'dishy rishi' in headlines. Also the BBC have now deleted that extremely funny Superman Rishi video, we shall never see its like again. RIP
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OwlFancier posted:For some reason a jewish guy having really strong opinions on interreligious conflict in northern ireland is really funny to me.
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Jul 31, 2020 20:08
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smh that a thread full of Marxists has never heard of the glass cliff.
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Jul 31, 2020 20:26
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Does his name rhyme with dishy I've been pronouncing it ree-shee
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Jul 31, 2020 20:42
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Yeah, every Rishi I have known has been a rhymes-with-dishy. It's a type of magic person.
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Angrymog posted:Please tell me that's a beef burger, because that's hilarious given he's a practicing Hindu. Says chicken in the tiny writing.
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OwlFancier posted:Does his name rhyme with dishy I've been pronouncing it ree-shee i'm very far from an expert but i would've guessed it's pronounced ri-shi. as in, IPA: [ri-shi]
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think it's the opposite. All the coverage is about tying him, and only him, to the economy. Between covid and Brexit that is not a happy place to be in the next year or so even if he wasn't determined to do turbo austerity. Boris gets to tut and sack him and then berate all the people talking him up when the inevitable happens and even if by some miracle it all goes well then the Tory membership are more likely to elect Corbyn than they are Sunak for... some reason It's this. There's a reason why the last two chancellors have both been someone that the Tory membership will hate. Well, two, actually - chancellors are often seen as the natural successors to incumbent PMs, so putting someone in the role that the membership won't accept one less potential knife in the back. But mostly it's because Javid and Sunak can be left holding the bag. Patel is probably in Home for the same reason; she's evil enough to do what they want her to do, stupid enough to think they'll like her for it, and completely expendable.
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OwlFancier posted:Does his name rhyme with dishy I've been pronouncing it ree-shee I pronounce it oval office, but that's just me
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They're 100% giving Rishi all the propaganda in the world. Probably because Boris is a liability and will implode eventually.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, every Rishi I have known has been a rhymes-with-dishy. It's a type of magic person. Dance to thy daddy, to thy mammy sing; Thou shalt have a rishy on a little dishy, Thou shalt have a rishy when the budget comes in.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Dance to thy daddy, to thy mammy sing; 
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winegums posted:Honestly they're just blatantly fluffing Sunak. It's client journalism. There's no clever attempt to tie him to the economy, they're just saying "GOOD THING HAPPEN. GOOD THING SUNAK". That's not what client journalism means. In fact it's the very opposite - client journalism specifically implies that the journalists are being instructed what to write by the Tories, which I'd say was much more in line with my theory because there's no loving way Johnson or his people would allow anyone else to get positive press to his detriment unless they had a plan. In a party less congenitally inclined to backstabbing (and I'm not sure such a thing has ever existed, at least not in power) you could say that by letting Cabinet members have their place in the sun that they're reinforcing the party brand and working towards a long-term goal of keeping in power even if they have to shuffle the top of the pack every once in a while, but like I say this would be something so unique in politics as to be yet another sign of the End Times. If you take the original proposition - that the centrist all-stars have all independently decided that Sunak is Prime Minister material (I mean you could see why, he's smartly turned-out and speaks with authority (if not accuracy) on his area of expertise and these are all the qualities these Sorkin-brained mutants think you need to be the leader of a nuclear-armed power in the final days of human civilisation) then that would just be standard liberal meltiness, the kind of thing that propels mediocrities into positions of power whenever there's a crisis with the same dumb platitudes about safe pairs of hands and the need for consensus. If you think Sunak-as-Superman (this isn't a joke, it's a literal image the BBC used) is instead something planted by Sunak's people, then I'll grant that's sort-of "client journalism" but at the same time I really can't see Laura K et. al. really wanting to risk the Wrath Of Dom by being so publicly disloyal, and that's really at the heart of what I (and others) have been saying - there's no chance either that Boris has lost enough control/support within the party and the press corps, or that Sunak has gained enough, that the press would be willing to start jumping ship and fluffing him in anticipation of getting/retaining access when Sunak comes to power. So this leaves us with the conclusion that the unrelenting slobbery coverage of Sunak is being done with the complete blessing of, and almost certainly at the prompting of, CCO and/or Johnson and Cummings themselves, which *is* client journalism - but also means we have to speculate why an apparatus totally dependent on maintaining the Cult of BOZZA LEGERND would allow someone else to get such glowing coverage on the second-most-important political story of the year? I say (just like with Hancock and the most-important story) that they're setting them up knowing that there's no way of actually "winning" while staying within the fairly narrow parameters of what the wider party will let them get away with, so they've got two candidates for the Wicker Man when it all goes to poo poo. Were it not for covid you'd almost certainly be seeing the same process happening now with Patel and Gove over crime and Brexit.
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Jul 31, 2020 23:00
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OwlFancier posted:Then why is boris PM? he's been one of the most famous and recognizable faces in British politics since about 2005; it's a big part of it but its not the only part.
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who is the 'they' here manipulating all this? press is run through the no.10 press office, if he wanted to place stories in the press separate to that he'd have to use his own people and he doesn't have any because they were all hired by and report to cummings. regardless of good press it's quite hard in general to plot for the big job when all your staff are reporting everything you say back to no.10 daily. he;s buoyed up because it suits them to buoy him up and he'll be binned off when it suits them to bin him off.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Don't forget as well that most people do not understand anything deeper economically than 'he made pints cheaper.' He could sell every man, woman & child in the country into indentured servitude, and as long as the process is too complicated for the Sun to print, all anyone will remember is the cheap booze. He didn't even make pints cheaper, really. He made food cheaper, and Homeless Thundercat has instead used that to drop the price of his booze. Got to say i'm really loving it being too risky to open bowling alleys and casinos as planned tomorrow, but it's a-o-loving-k to go ahead and unshield people. e: Keir launched his new "Jobs Jobs Jobs campaign" today. I watched this poo poo so you can too! https://www.facebook.com/KeirStarmerLabour/videos/1218047291864897/ Lungboy fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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I guess this means he's finally twigged that Lachlan's getting all the money when Rupert kicks the bucket then. James was the apple of daddy's eye for a while after Lachlan pissed millions up the wall in the dotcom boom both directly in the OneTel debacle and indirectly by being a major factor in the lunatic price News Corp paid for MySpace - James meanwhile actually turned Sky into one of the few profitable bits of the empire. The News Corp hacking catastrofuck, and Lachlan being behind a lot of the dark financial wizardry that keeps Murdoch one of the richest people on Earth despite almost none of his companies actually making a profit seems to have reversed the roles though. BTW anyone thinking the media landscape will improve after Uncle Rupert is reclaimed by Satan is deluding themselves - Rupert is an opportunist out for himself, Lachlan is an actual zealot who believes the poo poo he says.
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