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Not that any of a China's big tech is good or redeemable in any way, they're all terrible and complicit in the CCP's ample crimes against humanity but Trump is tilting at even dumber windmills than usual. I'm not sure why he's so intent on ByteDance/TikTok as all they know is it's something popular from the big place responsible for "tHe cHinA FLu" and Tucker Carlson probably told him doing this would really trigger the libs.
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It's probably revenge for the kpop people loving up his Nuremberg rally in Tulsa. Belated, incompetent revenge.
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Fojar38 posted:The world isn't multi-polar. There is no Soviet-esque "China bloc" and China has no allies aside from North Korea. It just turns out that you don't actually need to be a superpower to cause massive problems for the international system It's about nations with enough power and willing to play the great power game. Annexing territory, colonisation, looking for trouble, all that poo poo. sticksy posted:Not that any of a China's big tech is good or redeemable in any way, they're all terrible and complicit in the CCP's ample crimes against humanity but Trump is tilting at even dumber windmills than usual. I'm not sure why he's so intent on ByteDance/TikTok as all they know is it's something popular from the big place responsible for "tHe cHinA FLu" and Tucker Carlson probably told him doing this would really trigger the libs. Trump gonna Trump. It's probably the first thing he heard on the Fox box or when he asked "Who is most huuuugeee" to take half rear end swings at. He focused the hell out of Huawei ignoring every other player or saving the likes of ZTE.
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They finally pulled the trigger on going after people overseas. https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/31/hong-kong-police-order-arrest-of-nathan-law-and-4-other-exiled-activists-state-media/ quote:Hong Kong police have ordered the arrest of six pro-democracy activists living in exile on suspicion of violating the national security law, Chinese state media reported late Friday, but the city’s force refused to comment.
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oohhboy posted:They finally pulled the trigger on going after people overseas. Aren't they a little late on this though? What with several countries publicly saying they wont extradite to HK. Or is this a provocative act so the CCP can boohoo about foreign countries "interfering in Chinese business" by not allowing the HK police to black bag protestors.
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I don't think they understand how extradition works. They think they are orders, not requests. Treaty or not they were never going to get them. It's boohoo and sabre rattling. What do you mean you won't extradite to HK? It has Rule accordance to the LAW! They keep thinking stupid poo poo like this is some sort of pro-move if they do it enough people will cave in to their demands. The next step is outright black bagging public figures. The CCP is really losing touch of reality.
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The Chinese government is extremely dumb and may go down in history as being responsible for some of the worst statecraft in human history and I can say that one of the single biggest questions in the field of geopolitics right now is "Why is China doing such obviously self-defeating dumb poo poo?" My guess is that it's because their domestic situation is far, far worse than anyone realizes. Bad enough that burning all these bridges is considered a preferable outcome to whatever is scaring the CCP. oohhboy posted:I don't think they understand how extradition works. They think they are orders, not requests. Treaty or not they were never going to get them. It's boohoo and sabre rattling. What do you mean you won't extradite to HK? It has Rule accordance to the LAW! They keep thinking stupid poo poo like this is some sort of pro-move if they do it enough people will cave in to their demands. The next step is outright black bagging public figures. The sovereign citizens of international relations Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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oohhboy posted:The CCP is really losing touch of reality. To say nothing of those who're vocally supporting it.
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oohhboy posted:They finally pulled the trigger on going after people overseas. I wonder if they do the Vietnam thing where they start kidnapping those people abroad
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Fojar38 posted:The sovereign citizens of international relations hehe No doubt it's far worse than we know. Even the small stuff that had gotten out is painting a really bad picture. There are words about bank consolidations and runs. Billions of loans backed by fake gold. The really underreported floods have to be biting hard.  the absurd "V" shaped recovery just in time to avoid a technical recession. Unemployment has to be up there. Any news about the virus is obviously getting suppressed to hell. Loss of special status means trade had gotten harder. They have been stepping up military flights on Taiwan.We are well beyond the harmless "This is Killing" butt hurt.
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oohhboy posted:They finally pulled the trigger on going after people overseas. Note: one of those six is an American citizen and haven't even get back to HK recently at all, and another one has claimed asylum in Germany nearly 4 years ago. so what does it mean? didn't CCP said the use of NSL will not be back-dated before it's effective? Is this an Orwell written "double thinking" joke? With that many red flags flying off everywhere, I really doubt if there is any way to stay and defend the HK we have had.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:I wonder if they do the Vietnam thing where they start kidnapping those people abroad China has already black bagged people before. Remember the 4 booksellers? They even nabbed one from Thailand. It freaked the hell out of HK. While they did double down on those 4 they stopped bagging as even they realised it was a bad move. iirc one of them was a Swedish citizen who they took while being escorted by two diplomats in China. Now? I can see them doing it in a western country. The step after that would involve "Suicides". Zakrello posted:Note: one of those six is an American citizen and haven't even get back to HK recently at all, and another one has claimed asylum in Germany nearly 4 years ago. NSL has an extraterritorial section that does not differentiate who or where you are. It is written to criminalise free speech everywhere. As far as I am aware Comes to think of it, they might have gone retroactive. I wouldn't be surprised, but I would have to double check*. The NSL is so intentionally vague and broad saying "China bad" "Or HK Independence" is enough justification so technically they don't need to be retroactive. NSL is that hosed up. *Checked not retroactively applied. Yet. oohhboy fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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oohhboy posted:The next step is outright black bagging public figures. I was thinking about this re: what happened with Fan Bing Bing. Did they get anyone else on tax evasion/hiding money from the party? Did making her an example help with others start paying their tax?
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A beautiful world with beautiful places to visit
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Its quite possible someone got pissed off at her for reasons maybe of the "No" kind or being too famous. Another is people don't get that rich without some shenanigans, although black bagging her says otherwise. It's vindictive, you don't need to do that. Once she was in the system there was no backing down no matter what. Maybe they lost track of her, or they spent the time working her over. She didn't get prison time afterwards. Its so opaque it could be anything. The articles about it even now are clusterfucks of intrigue. That reminds me, they bagged the head of Interpol which was really  .
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Haramstufe Rot posted:I wonder if they do the Vietnam thing where they start kidnapping those people abroad Did we already forget the brouhaha about China kidnapping people in Australia?
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Wait, they kidnapped people from Australia? I know of them terrorising people with fake cop cars.
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In unrelated news, Samsung is pulling out of China https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china-pc-idUSKBN24X3K4
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Fojar38 posted:The Chinese government is extremely dumb and may go down in history as being responsible for some of the worst statecraft in human history and I can say that one of the single biggest questions in the field of geopolitics right now is "Why is China doing such obviously self-defeating dumb poo poo?" Can you expand on this? What dumb poo poo are they doing that is self defeating? It seems to me they've stopped giving a gently caress what the international community thinks and are doing what is best for them as they see it regardless of what others think.
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D-Pad posted:Can you expand on this? What dumb poo poo are they doing that is self defeating? It seems to me they've stopped giving a gently caress what the international community thinks and are doing what is best for them as they see it regardless of what others think. Not giving a gently caress is self-defeating, they are making so many block head moves. Their policies might be good for propping up the CCP and more power for Xi, if it stayed inside of China the game of "engagement" continued. They have crossed multiple red lines with their expansionism. Now China's problems is everyone's problems. The politicians might have been able to sweep this poo poo under the rug but 2020 multiple black swans, they are reaping what they sowed with their years of rear end in a top hat behaviour. Even your average person is getting cheesed off. Support in Canada for example has cratered. The UK has 180 no matter how much Boris wants Chinas dick. Hong Kong protest end game is in play. If they had let things be instead of going butt hurt NAZI with everything, played mostly within the rules we wouldn't be here. Places like Hong Kong and Taiwan just wanted to be left alone, there was never a threat of contagion. They didn't need to gently caress with the UN. What they are doing resembles playing Sid Meier Civilisation than reality. The acceleration could very well be the economy near crashing, $$$ is the only real social contract the CCP has. They have had multiple close calls, don't have the tools, don't know what is happening and can't keep avoiding it so let them eat Nationalism. China doesn't have friends, when other countries support them it's all about getting paid and doing the minimum. Compared that to Australia who have gone head to head on their own accord eating multiple massive tariffs for proposing an independent investigation into the virus. The UK has the Tories opening up immigration near full bore. The US is bypassing Trump. Merkle is being made to do the minimum. Shumagorath posted:Probably not, and I doubt we'd even see a stand-off on the level of 1962. Well before that there are end game economic sanctions in the quiver that would murder trade with China.
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D-Pad posted:Can you expand on this? What dumb poo poo are they doing that is self defeating? It seems to me they've stopped giving a gently caress what the international community thinks and are doing what is best for them as they see it regardless of what others think. Not giving a gently caress what the international community thinks is a really bad idea when your problems are actively making the world worse and your power fundamentals are in large part contingent on international goodwill. Your assessment here can also be accurately applied to North Korea, except unlike North Korea, the PRC doesn't have a great power sugar daddy willing to toss it a lifeline. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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China's big power sugar daddy is, was and always will be the United States. China's just been a little tsundere for the Yankee boy across the lake lately.
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I completely agree with all that's been said and I am certainly not defending China. We see their actions as stupid, and rightfully so, but I think they looked at what they want and what they think they deserve and made the calculation that getting it was always going to piss everyone else off no matter how they went about it so they might as well just go for it while everybody is distracted by everything going on this year. If coronavirus and the rest wasn't happening the international community would be much more laser focused on China's actions, much more than they are now. They got impatient and moved their timetable up to try and take advantage and I think you are right that it is a miscalculation on their part.
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If anything the virus made everyone super focused on China. Finding out they sandbagged and clearly had corrupted WHO made it worse. This was absolutely not the time to be pulling poo poo. The medical supplies being utter trash, demanding praise and blaming the buyer while jerking off to building a "Hospital" in ten day was beyond brazen. They couldn't have given every person on the planet the middle finger any harder. Like the NBA this was the one time you be absolutely don't play games. It wasn't the fact it came out of China from a wet market with illegal endangered wildlife everybody kept warning about, it was the cover up then doubling down endlessly like choosing to twitter war with Trump . If they were transparent with this everyone would have sent in their experts, nailed the disease down, say good job and leave. That initial investigation would be entirely scientific not to assign blame.China utterly did this to themselves. They could have laid low after the initial mistakes, but no, gotta gently caress up even more. They are the only country that operate like they do. They are like space aliens stepping off the ramp. Expecting kowtow like its Qin, completely out of touch with reality. Asking Trudue to personally interfere for Meng is bat poo poo crazy. I am not even sure they made any calculation let alone miscalculate. They have repeated the propaganda so much they drank their own kool aid.
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It doesn't help that they have been having their propaganda echoed back to them by various members of the business, academic, and political classes in the West. In that sense their approach is completely logical, at least as far as countries like Canada, the UK, and Australia are concerned. Why wouldn't they attack us via our business, academic, and political classes when they've proven up to now to be filled with craven pushovers? Ditto with multilateral organizations. The IMF is still uncritically repeating CCP economic statistics for gently caress's sake.
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I wasn't so much they were push overs in that they didn't care as long as the $$$ flowed and didn't kick up a fuss. If you want craven universities are great examples. Before we closed the borders Auckland university were begging to keep letting in international students especially from China making absolutely bonker promises of safety. They weren't even looking into next week. The same fucks let Chinese students assault Hong Kongers. Once you start doing crimes the politicians' ability to provide cover is exponentially harder. China forgot there are lines you can't cross mistaking apathy for consent. As for the stats, they will publish them because gotta have some numbers. The unspoken rule is everyone knows they are BS.
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If I may add a little about China's "friends", and even those that will tow CCP line/self censor etc. The very second that Chinese cash, or the promise of wealth beyond measure outlander goes away, all of these countries and companies will run far and run fast. Nobody is scared of China diplomatically. Nobody takes their pissbaby "hurt feelings" tantrums seriously. What people are afraid of is losing the lucrative trade dollars. So when/if that goes away, or when these places find other markets to replace them, (as they should be looking for), all of China's power disappears. Because China has no allies. No diplomatic ties of loyalty or otherwise. It has trade partners, who need it to keep buyingtheir wheat, steel etc. So. if has been said by some, China's economy truly is hosed, when they stop buying then both Countries and companies will very soon see which way the wind is blowing and stop kow-towing. I would even guess that some will publicly go the other way to curry favor with popular opinion, (recognising Taiwan as a nation, pushing back against the 9 dash line, actively criticizing the Uighur death camps etc.) This will be a huge loss of face for the CCP, and lord knows what they will do. But without the threat of "we'll stop buying your stuff", they will have nothing that will scare anyone into doing their bidding.
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Their dumb wet markets still being allowed then causing a coronavirus to be set loose causing global mayhem and death and its catastrophic loss of face would be too great to ever admit any sort of wrongdoing. So instead they've tried to pivot to soft power and sending benevolent envoys to 3rd world hellholes with a damaged cardboard box of PPE.
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sticksy posted:Their dumb wet markets still being allowed then causing a coronavirus to be set loose causing global mayhem and death and its catastrophic loss of face would be too great to ever admit any sort of wrongdoing. So instead they've tried to pivot to soft power and sending benevolent envoys to 3rd world hellholes with a damaged cardboard box of PPE. the problem isn't the wet markets themselves (Pike Place Market in Seattle matches the definition of one) it's the slaughter and sale of exotic/bush meats.
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sticksy posted:Their dumb wet markets still being allowed then causing a coronavirus to be set loose causing global mayhem and death and its catastrophic loss of face would be too great to ever admit any sort of wrongdoing. So instead they've tried to pivot to soft power and sending benevolent envoys to 3rd world hellholes with a damaged cardboard box of PPE. I would argue that everybody in the world, (including China and the CCP) know beyond a shadow of a doubt that COVID-19 came about because of the lovely hygiene in a Wuhan wet market selling poorly stored bat, or pangolin. The face has already been lost on this. And the sending of 2 cardboard boxes of shoddily made faulty equipment that they charge twice the market price for to Syria only increases the loss of face as the rest of the world solidifies it's opinion on Chinese made goods, and the dodgy middle men and factories you have to deal with to get them. And their half-arsed deflections of "it was really a Western disease that filthy foreigners brought to China, on purpose coz they are jealous of our 5000 years of culture" are fooling no-one. Least of all themselves. It's just something they have to say, because as you say they, (the CCP and the Chinese), are incapable of admitting wrongdoing. And, if you ask me, the wet market wasn't where the CCP hosed up in unleashing COVID-19 on the world. It was when middle management career administrators bullied, threatened, and outright punished doctors and medical professionals who tried to do the right thing, and then actively covered up it's existence.
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