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StashAugustine posted:does this mean that people defending china are repeating state department propaganda? Everyone is on the same page now...well mostly.
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Homeless Friend posted:*coming around* it really is the world factbook
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uncop posted:Yeah, I think Losurdo's specialty in general is navigating ideological narratives, uncovering purposeful political obfuscation through points of mutual inconsistency between various revisions of them, and elaborating on what the purpose seems to be based on what kind of narratives were later built upon those obfuscations. it's the kind of sleuthing you would more typically find in law, where you can more clearly see how one gently caress-up of a ruling can lead to immeasurable damage through a cascade of gently caress-ups
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StashAugustine posted:does this mean that people defending china are repeating state department propaganda? 
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StashAugustine posted:does this mean that people defending china are repeating state department propaganda? lmao gently caress
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...but enough about 80's Sweden.
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This is it, the most WSWS article ever: Russian pseudo-left provides neo-Stalinist justification for vendetta against historian Yuri Dmitriev quote:Last week, a Russian court found the historian Yuri Dmitriev guilty of sexual abuse of a minor and sentenced him to three-and-a-half years in prison. Taking into account the time Dmitriev has already spent in jail, he could be freed in November of this year.
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is it, the most WSWS article ever: maybe he should just not be a pedophile if he doesn't want his work discredited lol
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i kind of want to learn marxism with numbers, computer and math. are there any left wing economics courses/programmes left anywhere
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I don't know about courses or programmes, but you might enjoy reading this math-based paper titled "Price, Value and Profit" by Alan Freeman https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/1290/1/MPRA_paper_1290.pdf
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mila kunis posted:i kind of want to learn marxism with numbers, computer and math. are there any left wing economics courses/programmes left anywhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFEzJovH2yo
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mila kunis posted:i kind of want to learn marxism with numbers, computer and math. are there any left wing economics courses/programmes left anywhere some of paul cockshott's papers on his website about the LTV might interest you. i've also heard good things about anwar shaikh's book Capitalism: Competition, Conflict, Crisis.
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i've determined that i want to build left unity, even if all i manage to unite the left on is finding me to be an annoying loving dipshit. so hey tankies, anarchists, let's hash this bullshit out, goddamnit it. people are dying here and there's a revolution we have to start.
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Goast posted:maybe he should just not be a pedophile if he doesn't want his work discredited lol You just earned yourself a place in the SEP gulags after the revolution! Though given that their idea of revolution requires the simultaneous overthrow of every government and age of consent law in the world, we probably don't have to worry about living to see it.
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i say swears online posted:that's a ziggy! quickly to my archives!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:quickly to my archives! gently caress i forgot this line lol
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been reading some capital, its fun but also its from the drat 19th century. i assume other people have built on the theories and added to it with lessons and understandings from modern society, what're the most recent good books that go through the whole gamut (ltv, etc) but are updated and accessible
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mila kunis posted:been reading some capital, its fun but also its from the drat 19th century. i assume other people have built on the theories and added to it with lessons and understandings from modern society, what're the most recent good books that go through the whole gamut (ltv, etc) but are updated and accessible for marxist economics theoretical foundations: on the LTV, andrew kliman's book reclaiming marx's capital is not only a solid interpretation and explanation of marx's view, but it has a history of the whole controversy over it. if you're good at math (linear algebra and statistics are what're usually used, as far as i can tell) then the bibliography in that book will lead you to all the major work on the LTV for the economy of the soviet union, there are a few things you could check out: a modern, retrospective view of how the economy worked is covered by michael ellman in socialist planning:third edition. get that edition because he got access to a lot of archival material between the 2nd and 3rd. a book i've heard good things about/seen cited frequently is alec nove's economic history of the USSR. and, if you want a famous liberal economist's take on it, which surprisingly concludes that initially at least industrialization was a success, check out from farm to factory by robert c allen. michael ellman also wrote a book called Planning Problems in the USSR: The Contribution of Economic Problems to Their Solution, but i found it too technical to follow. if you're already good at math and know a lot about economic theory, it might be up your alley though. for more forward looking proposals on what a future socialist economy might look like: paul cockshott's toward a new socialism is an attempt to use ideas from theoretical computer science to show the feasibility of central planning efficiently, and sketches out what kinds of institutions you'd have to set up to do it. if you like that proposal, you should also read the last chapter of his book how the world works. then there's the analytic marxists, who tried to re-frame major marxist ideas using rational choice theory and game theory, and either changed them or threw them away when they wouldn't fit within those formalisms. a lot of people think they just butchered marx in the end, but if you want a mathy approach to marx that uses methodology you'd find in current mainstream economics, they might be worth checking out. jon ulster and john roemer are the two major economists from that school of thought. i haven't read their books so i can't recommend any specifically. i do recommend erik olin wright, though. he's a sociologist connected with the analytic school, but i think he was able to update marx's theory in a way that retains what's important while also being adequate for contemporary empirical research. all his books are available for free online Finicums Wake fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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I have recently been recommended Stafford Beer's books on central planning. But I haven't gotten around to reading them yet.
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i wonder if the joseph stalin house of culture is in the same neighborhood as the leon trotsky museum  https://twitter.com/APLRedPhoenix/status/1289516488806694912 BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:i've determined that i want to build left unity, even if all i manage to unite the left on is finding me to be an annoying loving dipshit. At this point, any leftist I disagree with I basically approach with the attitude that they might be confused, but they got the spirit
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The secret to left unity is to not have a consistent ideology. Be an anarchist who wants a centralized state, or a tankie who thinks the state should be a confederacy of autonomous communes.
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uphold anarcho-jucheism thought
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left unity already exists, it's just that far fewer people are on the left than think they are
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what revolution was achieved by Left unity idk, seems like having the correct line that can win mass support is the better idea. facing outward and building the working class movement seems like a better orientation than trying to corral a bunch of small groups who hate each other together.
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but enough about the forums...
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Atrocious Joe posted:what revolution was achieved by Left unity CNT-FAI
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Atrocious Joe posted:what revolution was achieved by Left unity Zapatista revolution, while more on the anarchist side, worked by uniting MLs + anarchists + socialist catholics. In a funny way you're right that it was a 'correct line that can win broad support', but their line was 'things that work for our society' instead of being too pure ideologically
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my favorite misappropriation of Mao is "the mass line will inevitably win over the public" meaning 'if i can make my 6 friends agree with me our weekly meetings will swell in number and we will build communism' instead of "the line that attracts most people to revolutionary activity is necessarily the correct one."
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Finicums Wake posted:for more forward looking proposals on what a future socialist economy might look like: Thanks for the other recommendations but I've read Cockshott and while I acknowledge the strength of his analysis and some of his core points around issues of devaluing labour compared to capital being a serious issue within an economic system the suggestions he comes up with are really worryingly bad. A state funded by a flat tax on the population for labour tokens while having non-circulating labour tokens centrally issued is forcing the population into rigidly defined professions and workplaces clearly limiting both worker control and and cultural creativity which he pretends getting to vote at the top level of planning and allocating a budget to innovation at the societal level fixes, the insistence on paying labour in labour tokens as a means of showing the core of the system is utterly ruined by all the necessary adjustments he makes for skilled labour and macroeconomic budgeting with foreign trade and I don't understand why he keeps it as well as a means of keeping working hours high rather than driving to automate and liberate the worker, his attitudes against representative democracy and favouring referendums and sortition are just weird, I cannot figure out why any of the consumer goods vendors would adjust prices in the manner required for feeding back into the system and his reliance on acting as if being able to vote certain allocations of societies labour time up or down regularly is enough power to the workers all make me incredibly sceptical that he's designed anything except bureaucratic collectivism in a new name. His lovely opinions about Northern Ireland and a one sided approach to gay rights really don't help him out either.
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