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Anna posted that all women who claim to be autistic are lying to cover up the real reason they haven't gotten married and had kids yet. So that's what's driving the discourse today.
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drat when did Liza Minnelli play pennywise. Nevertheless wishing whichever red scare this is well on her journey
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oh so Red Scare is just Cum Town for girls, gotcha
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oh hell yeah dude The interview episode was fine. Dunno what to tell y'all
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ghislaine maxwell in beyond the valley of the dolls
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Gripweed posted:Anna posted that all women who claim to be autistic are lying to cover up the real reason they haven't gotten married and had kids yet. So that's what's driving the discourse today. I took that thread to be the same kind of critique as existed in the mid-10s of people on tumblr and social media being performative/lying about being “neuro-atypical.” Are there actually autistic people? Absolutely! Are there also people online who lie so as to receive a more sympathetic response? Yes, and that can include lying about being on the spectrum. I’ve been in communities where people have lied about their entire identity for a year+. What seemed to have kicked this off was a TikTok, which by its very nature is performative. They critique it as having certain attention-seeking elements, and if the TikTok didn’t have the OP saying they were on the autism spectrum, it would probably come across as very twee. It’s the difference between someone casually going “I’m soooooo autistic” when they aren’t and someone having taken an online quiz and then made it their identity. They’re both wrong, but neither precludes that condition is real or that people suffer from it. Just that some people will use it flippantly, and others will deliberately misuse or overstate its effects. There’s also public perception of what autism looks like, which is part of where the critique can fall flat. One of my first exposures to autism was in middle school w a guy who would get non-communicative real fast, etc. So I can see people perceiving someone outside of that level of the disorder as “faking” it. So I definitely see the view of “well, not everyone fits this description/this woman is trying to normalize what autism looks like.” The TikTok OP could be a milkshake duck using ASD to have a “thing” on TikTok, or they could actually be on the spectrum and this is really lovely. It’s probably the latter but I think it’s naive to ignore the possibility of the former. And no, I don’t think people should have to prove anything, but again, this is the Internet in 2020. People will lie in all sorts of crazy ways. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Boywhiz88 posted:I took that thread to be the same kind of critique as existed in the mid-10s of people on tumblr and social media being performative/lying about being “neuro-atypical.” fascinating post, but what she actually means is that mental illness isn't real and if a woman is unhappy it's due to Neoliberalism and Feminism. cf https://twitter.com/annakhachiyan/status/1289650434773143552
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Eh, I think she acknowledges it’s real (treating the symptoms), but believes that we should be addressing some of these root issues (families not having flexibility or financial security to raise a child, precarious healthcare or housing) that exacerbate it. It’s not enough to tell an individual “that sucks, here’s a pill, you’re better now.” It’s important to ask “why is this happening to so many people?” I’m much happier and together after I got treatment for depression, but I can also recognize that parts of society contributed to it. Part of it was my job where I was underpaid but had decent enough health insurance that I wasn’t ready to jump. So I just remained miserable. My anxiety is heightened by the idea that I could lose my job and be utterly hosed for rent or health insurance after a few months, or that my significant other has been out of work for almost 3 months and is worried where she’s going to get her mental health prescriptions. And that’s after her company completely hosed up covering COBRA costs. So I think there’s a valid critique of neoliberalism in its role for perpetuating mental health issues. I’ll admit that I’ve listened to Red Scare since the beginning because of Dasha’s Cum Town connection back in the day, so I can say that Anna comes off a lot more empathetic on the episodes than Twitter. The Red Scare critique of feminism seems to be about the more neoliberal aspects of it. The idea that a woman HAS to have a job, or can’t be happy without a career or whatever. Or that a double income norm should be OK or that a double income norm where you can’t comfortably afford to raise a kid. I never really thought of it as misogynistic, but I definitely didn’t understand what they were trying to communicate for awhile. I think they speak to a normal of “a single income that can allow 2 people to raise a kid(s).” It doesn’t necessarily need to be the woman who raises the kid, but just that we shouldn’t deny that some women might prefer that path.
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Boywhiz88 posted:The TikTok OP could be a milkshake duck using ASD to have a “thing” on TikTok, or they could actually be on the spectrum and this is really lovely. It’s probably the latter but I think it’s naive to ignore the possibility of the former. Oh yeah if she's actually autistic then this whole discussion is very offensive in general and also very hurtful specifically towards her. But we only have her word that she's autistic and bitches do be lying so it's equally possible that she made the whole thing up for attention as women are wont to do. What the gently caress is your problem?
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I will blatantly cop to thinking certain neurotypical disorders like ADHD was a 100% bullshit completely made up disorder designed by big pharma to sell speed to kids because literally every single person my age claimed to have it. I was maybe in my mid 20’s before I met a person who had it, but didn’t constantly use it as an excuse for why they were lazy or procrastinating, and just quietly took their medication without having it be some huge flag for their identity. It also took me a long time to recognize that just because someone has been on medication for 10 years doesn’t mean that they ever had the thing in the first place. I had a roommate for two years who told me that they’d been on Adderall since they were 10 years old, and I can safely say that I’ve hung out with legitimate meth addicts who didn’t tweak as hard as this dude if he missed a pill (which he frequently did because he used his giant unlimited Adderall prescription as a bank account, more or less) So if nothing else I can relate to being a lefty who genuinely believes that 90% of the people you meet who claim to be aneurotypical are full of poo poo and chasing clout or woke points, because in general people who really have those disorders do want to be defined by them and probably won’t go out of their way to tell you unless it comes up. Fake edit: It’s the mental health equivalent of saying you have Celiacs when you actually just have a wheat intolerance. People with actual Celiac’s disease could literally poo poo blood out their rear end if they eat a muffin, you just get a tummy ache from eating bread, that’s not the same thing and you’re making life confusing for the real victims, IMO Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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Bust Rodd posted:I will blatantly cop to thinking certain neurotypical ADHD was a 100% bullshit completely made up disorder designed by big pharma to sell speed to kids because literally every single person my age claimed to have it. I was maybe in my mid 20’s before I met a person who had it, but didn’t constantly use it as an excuse for why they were lazy or procrastinating, and just quietly took their medication without having it be some huge flag for their identity. Here's the thing, this is how the discussion started https://twitter.com/s_amememe___/status/1288891791094222848?s=20 to which Anna responded (and then, for some reason, deleted)  This isn't a serious take on overmedicalization or anything like that. This is just hateful.
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Lmao at typing “Standard Female” and expecting to be taken seriously. Good lord
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Seams posted:cant believe matt didnt eviscerate the guy they like with an ~!~EPIC RANT~~! because the guy said he thought a movie was good I don't think anyone expected an 'evisceration' or anything like that, it's just a somewhat weak episode because McKay doesn't really have much chemistry with them and the way they get around it is by just agreeing with everything he says. That's just the nature of conversational shows with guests; if you don't vibe with them it's not very interesting.
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Aug 2, 2020 12:31
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Why does she think that haircut is acceptable.
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Lol at getting mad that a fluff conversation with a semi-obscure media figure didn't turn into an aggressive struggle session followed by a loud denouncement.
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Controversial I know but think it is good that Chapo interviewed the director of Stepbrothers and Anchorman and the interview was good
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Gripweed posted:Oh yeah if she's actually autistic then this whole discussion is very offensive in general and also very hurtful specifically towards her. But we only have her word that she's autistic and bitches do be lying so it's equally possible that she made the whole thing up for attention as women are wont to do. I think I expressed my viewpoint p fairly. You’re the one bringing in gendered language and insults. I even said I err’d towards giving her the benefit of the doubt. But as I mentioned, it’s naive to think that people, especially on the Internet, don’t lie or understand how expressing something may garner sympathy/extra attention. Look at Lowtax’s situation in years prior. I think Bust Rodd’s post makes good points and speaks to some of the stuff I had rolling around in my noggin. I don’t expect people to act or look a certain way due to a diagnosis or condition. But I am absolutely wary of someone who brings it up right away or makes it the central part of identity.
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Boywhiz88 posted:I think I expressed my viewpoint p fairly. You’re the one bringing in gendered language and insults. I even said I err’d towards giving her the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, it's fifty fifty on whether or not she's lying for attention, but out of pure generosity of spirit you're willing to assume that she's probably not. Even though she absolutely could be and only a fool would rule it out. Boywhiz88 posted:But I am absolutely wary of someone who brings it up right away or makes it the central part of identity. Yeah she made a Tiktok about it. And knowing nothing else about her and having seen none of her other tiktoks, the fact that she made at least one tiktok about being autistic is very suspicious and implies that she's lying for attention. But once again, you will, saint-like, set aside your completely logical and very well founded suspicions and say that she's probably not lying, of course always reserving the right to point out that you were always suspicious of her intentions. You are, undeniably, the good guy here. Possibly the best guy.
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“Mental Health” is just “CrossFit” for people who would never be caught dead in the gym
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I liked the interview. I think it’s good to have influential filmmakers and media figures come on the rude lefty podcast.
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Gripweed posted:Yeah, it's fifty fifty on whether or not she's lying for attention, but out of pure generosity of spirit you're willing to assume that she's probably not. Even though she absolutely could be and only a fool would rule it out.  You keep making it some weird thing about women/men. I’ve made it pretty clear that I’m speaking in non-gendered generalities of being on the Internet. How about this? When Bust Rodd originally started posting about his brother, I was p skeptical about that! Because SA has a history of great creative writing. But Bust has since become a poster who I’ll believe due to their ongoing posting in a lot of threads I’m in. Hope your bro is doing alright, Bust! Maybe you’ve never been burned on the Internet, but I watched it happen a few times in a small online community before I was an adult. I’m pushing back against the “well no one would ever lie or go for clout in this manner on the Internet.” I watched someone fake a whole identity in a community for a year+, people will lie hard and lie big. So how about you articulate something rather than being pedantic as hell? I’m not some “just asking questions” prick. I think I’m being pretty clear here, and I’ve even said the original point is wrong or misguided in a couple different ways.
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Khachiyan is a genuine piece of poo poo and barely closeted reactionary, I don't know how you can see that 'pathological narcisist with zero maternal instinct' post and still think you should want her opinion on anything
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Boywhiz88 posted:
She literally said "all women who claim to be autistic are liars who want attention" and you said "she's got a loving point you know, a lot of these people be lying" If you really are trying to speak in non-gendered generalities of the internet, and there's no way to be sure people lie all the time on the internet and SA in particular has had a misogyny problem in the past so it's pretty loving sus that you're coming in here and claiming not be sexist but hey I'm a great guy so I'm going to act as if I believe you because of your history of posting in so many threads, then maybe don't take "Women are liars" as your jumping off point
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Boywhiz88 posted:
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sleeptalker posted:You are too online. I feel like this easily applies to anyone who uses their paid SA account TBH, being too online is more or less the requirement for even knowing about this place.
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The irony of this is that both Anna and Dasha have half-joked about being on the spectrum, Dasha clearly just for attention and Anna because she probably is.
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Anna is a psyop by the romulans to make us too stupid to achieve warp technology. No one wants to talk about this.
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Gripweed posted:She literally said "all women who claim to be autistic are liars who want attention" and you said "she's got a loving point you know, a lot of these people be lying" I interpreted that tweet to be a sardonic remark. The kind of thing that doesn’t apply to people who actually have autism but is directed towards those who use it as a flippant excuse. It’s like a tweet that says “men are trash” or “all men are trash.” Some men are, but a lot of non-trash men are going to respond and think it’s about them. That’s part of what I feel occurred here, so I’m trying to communicate the context in which I’ve viewed those tweets. In addition, Anna and Dasha don’t present themselves as thought leaders or anything. They routinely refer to themselves as dumb or stupid. But there is also a striving for empowerment but not in the current way society has fragmented everything. That’s part of why I replied to that post about their take on neoliberal feminism. Their podcast is humor/current events, so while there’s genuine discussion, there’s also a lot of stupid and obtuse takes for a laugh. Lastly, you’re the one who keeps reading into my posts. I’m not positing on why you’re posting or anything. I’m coming here with my context of those posts. At no point have I made sweeping generalities of any group, I was even critical towards the original reply to the TikTok and pointed out the big holes it has. You keep attacking me for having a slightly different take on things. sleeptalker posted:You are too online. You have a gang tag from toxxing along w Plat, and you’re saying someone is too online? Glass houses.
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Well I dont know about all that but following that tweet went down a big tangent and now I'm not gonna listen to grubstakers anymore
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Power Walrus posted:I liked the interview. I think it’s good to have influential filmmakers and media figures come on the rude lefty podcast. Yes, the interview was very good Let's talk about the latest episode of the Chapo Trap House podcast in the Chapo Trap House thread
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net work error posted:I clicked the Chapo thread but I think it's actually the Red Scare thread??? Wrong its the let's argue about internet people who are possibly faking being autistic thread. Also I liked the interview  .
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Boywhiz88 posted:You have a gang tag from toxxing along w Plat, and you’re saying someone is too online? Glass houses. That's reaching pretty hard, but I'm definitely online enough to recognize this kind of reply as something that someone who's too online would do. Just leaving it at that would be too troll-y, so: you're seriously going out of your way to say that, when people take your online parasocial friend Anna at her word, they're missing the Actual Context of what she's saying, by which you (extremely charitably) know that she doesn't actually mean what she says. And also anyone criticizing her/you is probably hypocritically engaging in the same kind of dehumanizing rhetoric they're trying to point out, a standard defense of someone who doesn't actually think the behavior is wrong but just wants to continue doing it without criticism. It's bizarre. You mentioned a couple times having some experiences with toxic online behavior, have you considered that there might be a pattern between that and sympathizing so hard with a figure like Anna? And I'm not pretending I know exactly what that pattern is, they just seem like they could be related things.
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Hey gang let's stop infighting and look at a Gwen Snyder tweet  https://twitter.com/gnot_paul/status/1289840971723599874?s=19
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As an actual diagnosed Autistic person, this is easily one of the most autistic conversations I've ever seen.
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I wonder if she is deliberately making false and inflammatory statements, or if she is delusional enough to think that is what Chapo, and Matt Christmas in particular, are doing. If she is just that far gone, I have to wonder what particular variety of mental illness brought her to this
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