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I'm reminded suddenly that after reading the last Harry Potter book I had to look it up on Wikipedia to understand what actually happened in the ending, since Voldemort is 'beaten' basically because he didn't read the fine print.
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She just wanted to continue the "mysterious object" theme of the series' titles and created the story around that
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Aug 2, 2020 05:23
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extremely funny how the end of harry potter is just death note rules lawyer bullshit but unlike death note the rules are never explained in advance so it just feels like rowling pulled the whole thing out of her rear end
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Aug 2, 2020 05:41
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she reveres property rights and nepotism and it shows up in however she expresses herself
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Aug 2, 2020 05:49
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the last Harry Potter movie ends with dragon ball z style bullshit iirc
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Aug 2, 2020 07:21
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I should watch it again, in that case
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Taintrunner posted:the last Harry Potter movie ends with dragon ball z style bullshit iirc That's unironically a better ending
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Aug 2, 2020 08:31
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harry potter's dream was to join the wizard FBI (?)
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The end of Harry Potter is like the End of Fight Club insomuch as there is a "suicidal" act which resolves the problem of multiple personalities residing within the protagonist they deviate sharply beyond that Harry's decision to join the wizarding FBI is baffling, he should be SO loving pissed at the entire system, the way it failed him and ruined his life. There could be a wire style prestige drama about how the overlapping constellations of corruption at the Daily Prophet, The Wizard Police and Hogwartz all conspired through their malfeasance to doom Harry to ruin. The nightmare tangle of Brazil-like bureaucratic machinery in the wizarding world birthed, trained, radicalized and then failed to stop voldemort. The ideology of wizard-supremacism which underpins voldemort's political program is one of the primary planks in the philosophy of the wizard Salazar Slytherin, to whose memory fully one quarter of all wizards pay direct fealty in their most formative years. Harry's parents are killed because the wizarding FBI basically fails to nab this guy who they knew had been into far right politics and illegal magic for years, since he was in high school. The fuckers have an automatic trace on every underage wizard so they can monitor their use of magic outside of schools and you're telling me they somehow can't put a tail on one guy? I mean poo poo, through the experiences of his godfather Serious Blaque and his friend Hargoth, Harry knows that innocent people are being black bagged on the streets and are being rendered to Azkhabanian ministry of magic black sites to be tortured by having their souls devoured by grim reapers while they are still alive, which was business as usual well before the ministry was subverted by the forces of voldemort. Harry doesn't see all this because he is also a product of this system and was adopted into the system from an incredibly abusive situation. in many ways, Harry is like a psychologically manipulated child soldier for the wizarding establishment and he grows up, after being put through all this horseshit for the pervert wizarding elite, wanting nothing more than to do it until the day he dies. What Harry Potter really needed was a Metal Gear Solid 2/Awakening of the Ghola style psychological interlude in order to shake Harry out of his maladaptive conditioning and break down the psychological barriers he had erected as a defense mechanism to protect himself during the tragic circumstances of his childhood. A film in which one of Harry's wizard FBI cases causes him to crack and ping and attack the wizarding establishment like Lee Marvin attacks The Organization in Point Blank would be one of the greatest conceptual triumphs in contemporary film making.
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Egg Moron posted:
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Animorphs def had the better ending
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as i recall harry wanting to join the wizard fbi first comes up at a vocational guidance session where some teacher asks what he wants to do and harry says well the only thing im good at is anti black magic spells but im really good at those and the teacher says oh well thats what the wizard fbi does and harry goes yeah sure ill do that then its hard to tell whether harry choosing to stick by this obviously half assed answer after two or three books worth of utterly crazy poo poo that demonstrates beyond a shadow of the doubt that the wizard fbi is totally useless is more an indictment of harrys complete lack of character development or rowlings blatantly short sighted worldbuilding
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Aug 2, 2020 13:25
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harry is a huge rear end in a top hat and he wants to be the one hassling wizards for breaking the law
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I think part of the issue with the world-building is that the actual magical spells aren't that diverse. It's been a while since I last read the books, but I distinctly recall that a lot of the time they'd just use "Expelliarmus" (knock a wand out of someone's hands) when fighting with other wizards, and anything that actually does damage is considered a bad/evil spell and therefore isn't used by the protagonists. Even when Potter has the uber-wand and is facing off with Voldemort, he's still yelling Expelliarmus, he's just doing so in a very loud voice. And this plays into that scene where Potter gets asked what he wants to do and he falls into the Auror answer because he can't cast spells worth a poo poo except for Expelliarmus.
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I mean if you're gonna be doing wizard combat the spell that takes away 90% of your enemy's magical options and also in theory works equally well on guns is probably one of the best to specialise in. There is also the Stunning Spell for knocking people out, though that was only introduced in the fourth book. (the third book's finale would have gone pretty differently if the adults remembered that existed)
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They should have a spell that makes you get mega stone bologna high
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Egg Moron posted:They should have a spell that makes you get mega stone bologna high no because then it's just that show the magicians
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ive consumed a lot of fantasy media and wizards are best when they use their spells to make poo poo go boom, something that almost never loving happens in harry potter
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Harry Potter is the neoliberal hero of a neoliberal story. Reading between the lines you can see institutional corruption, a basically fascist society premised on wizard supremacy with an all-powerful authoritarian bureaucracy (the Minister for Magic is more powerful than the Prime Minister but is, as far as I remember, a completely unelected and unaccountable political figure) and a judicial system that barely deserves the name--single day, same-day trials with no lawyers or representation and no investigation of your crime unless you happen to be friends with Wizard Jesus who will intervene on your behalf, with punishments as severe as indefinite detention in the North Sea mind-rape prison where the prison guards eat your soul even if you're innocent. You barely have to look below the surface to see the fascist, pseudo-Nazi ideology of wizard supremacy baked into Slytherin House, which was foundational to the founder's personal ideology and which remains foundational to the ideology of many present-day Slytherins, who openly serve Wizard Hitler but are never punished for it because after the war wizard society valued reconciliation over deNazification. Reading more, you see an insane class system that should be easily overcome since, as wizards, they could all be as rich or poor as they wanted to be, yet class and wealth continue to rule their lives and set individuals up for success or failure. Draco Malfoy is a huge gently caress-up but falls upwards because of his social class and wealth, while the Weasleys only overcome their poverty and lower-class status because of a very neoliberal sort of meritocracy: they're good wizards and so they can succeed anyway, the same way Hermione can overcome her non-wizard parentage by being individually talented. But if you're not a skilled wizard, like Hagrid wasn't, or if you have the extreme misfortune to be born without magical powers but within the magical world, like Mr. Filch, then you can be cast out of society and shunned forever and looked down upon by everyone else, again, unless Wizard Jesus intervenes to ensure you have a steady job. And even then, you remain the lowest class of people in society and everyone disdains you for being unable to do magic, or at best pities you for being an outcast. A picture-perfect neoliberal meritocracy allows good wizards to rise through the ranks of an archaic class society, but also condemns bad wizards to the lowest rungs of society, and that's fine. And this is before we even get to the legalized slavery of house elves, which is so normalized that when someone enters from the non-wizard world, who has grown up with an outside education and so recognizes slavery when she sees it and tries to start an abolitionist movement, her efforts are treated like a joke by the rest of the characters, who laugh at her and tell her that no, Hermione, house elves actually really love being enslaved. Harry Potter never recognizes any of these systemic, institutional problems. This is partly because he, as an individual, benefits from his own privilege. He's absurdly wealthy thanks to inherited wealth from his dead parents, and he's a relatively talented wizard even though he has basically no work ethic and relies on cheating off his more talented friends to succeed a lot of the time. He benefits from the class system, he benefits from the neoliberal meritocracy, and he doesn't feel the problems of the fascist state or the wizard supremacism because most of the time he isn't on the receiving end of their horrific behaviour. When problems do emerge, Harry Potter the character and Harry Potter the book series treat them as problems arising from individual failings, not from the incredibly toxic and harmful society the characters live in. Individual wizards can choose to be bad or good, and the problem is that some of them choose to be bad. Individual members of the fascist state bureaucracy can be mean and petty and evil, and it's a bad thing if those individuals rise to positions of power, but the authoritarian bureaucracy itself is seen as otherwise benign. The implicit message, which becomes more explicit by the end of the books, is that if you could just root out the evil individuals then this society would be fine. They can all keep oppressing people and exploiting people just as long as you get rid of Wizard Hitler and a few high-ranking wizard Nazis. Harry Potter's decision to become a member of the Wizard FBI makes perfect sense within this framework. He sees the flaws in wizarding society not as part of the messed up institutional structure and authoritarianism inherent to the system, he sees the flaws as the fault of individual deviants, and so Harry Potter, Mr. Privilege himself, can think of nothing better to do with his time than to spend his days tracking down the deviants whose actions might threaten his life of comfort and privilege, and either killing them or arresting them to be indefinitely detained by the fascist judicial system. Frankly, nobody should be surprised at who JK Rowling turned out to be. It was all right there on the page the whole time. vyelkin has issued a correction as of 15:30 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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i take back what a i said, maybe the best use of magic in recent years is adventure time which has really dumb but fun magic rules and abilities, the episode when the wizards take a road trip owns
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remember when rowling had a chance to address the inexplicably nightmarish wizard criminal justice system in the magical beast movie and instead just made it more inexplicably nightmarish literally sentencing a cop to death by mind rape because she caught the guy they were looking for too fast and they told her to gently caress off until tomorrow before she could explain who he was
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Aug 2, 2020 15:36
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Fantastic Beasts is better on mute
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One could read Harry Potter as a metaphor for the british deep state. You have a secret parallel governmental structure that supersedes the democratically elected government. In order to be a part of this secret government, one has to be born special and then attend a special school where, in order to be inducted into the secret society, one is subjected to what amounts to ritualized child abuse.
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Aug 2, 2020 19:14
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TEN POINTS TO GRYFFINDOR TEN POINTS TO GRYFFINDOR
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A Russian troll farm posted:One could read Harry Potter as a metaphor for the british deep state. You have a secret parallel governmental structure that supersedes the democratically elected government. In order to be a part of this secret government, one has to be born special and then attend a special school where, in order to be inducted into the secret society, one is subjected to what amounts to ritualized child abuse.  that tracks actually. It's probably mostly a legacy of the Roald Dahl books she was imitating. Boarding schools did his head completely in and boarding schools were/is how Britian's particular brand of elite and middle management was spawned. They needed a society that could administer their vast and cruel empire, and they started them early.Some Guy TT posted:as i recall harry wanting to join the wizard fbi first comes up at a vocational guidance session where some teacher asks what he wants to do and harry says well the only thing im good at is anti black magic spells but im really good at those and the teacher says oh well thats what the wizard fbi does and harry goes yeah sure ill do that then His life has been defined by a matter that is the responsibility of wizard cops to handle, and probably regular cops too. It makes sense he would simply choose to continue by actually being one. I'd say athletics could have been an option, but the jock to cop pipeline is a thing as well.
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I don't think there's really anything inherently wrong with pro-fascist entertainment as long as it makes a compelling case and, you know, entertains.
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General Dog posted:I don't think there's really anything inherently wrong with pro-fascist entertainment as long as it makes a compelling case and, you know, entertains. I would say that I don't make Dredd the centerpiece of my politics but otoh he's preferable to the average cop
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Some Guy TT posted:remember when rowling had a chance to address the inexplicably nightmarish wizard criminal justice system in the magical beast movie and instead just made it more inexplicably nightmarish the best thing about fantastic beasts is that the 30s american wizards are just fascists, to the extent that wizard hitler infiltrating them is indistinguishable from a regular employee
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the second movie is just setting up the Sturmabteilung as an organisation iirc; Dumbledore and Johnny Depp's incoming LORE DUEL is supposed to be the metaphoric end of World War II.
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I'm figuring the point where I start reevaluating 28 Weeks Later is the point I should stop paying attention to covid news E: vv so would Boris Johnson! StashAugustine has issued a correction as of 21:19 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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I would say Jaws is the definitive COVID allegory, but it’s almost too on the nose
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Egg Moron posted:The end of Harry Potter is like the End of Fight Club insomuch as there is a "suicidal" act which resolves the problem of multiple personalities residing within the protagonist Hell yeah
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General Dog posted:I would say Jaws is the definitive COVID allegory, but it’s almost too on the nose I just rewatched Jaws last week and my god it's disturbing how true that is. I had to double check that this wasn't some satirical film from the future I watched through a time-warp. Spielberg is a prophet.
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Some Guy TT posted:anyway in todays edition of some guy itt was watching cable anybody else find it kind of weird that randall in monsters inc is identified as being the bad guy basically because hes kind of a dick for most of the movie mike and sully just think he was trying to cheat in their completely meaningless leaderboard competition the incredibles, of course, is the other big pixar film that flirts with outright libertarian or even randian messaging, although the ultimate message of the incredibles is that talented people should help out everybody equally so it's not quite atlas shrugged. still, the beginning is essentially "some people are naturally superior to others and useless regulations and government bureaucrats conspire to keep them down," which hits a lot different these days. i suppose it's possible that a lot of that is just carryover from the natural fascism of the superhero genre
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https://twitter.com/PodsidePete/status/1289406585840652288 i refuse to read that or even the direct replies but there's gotta be good poo poo in there
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Aglet56 posted:still, the beginning is essentially "some people are naturally superior to others and useless regulations and government bureaucrats conspire to keep them down," which hits a lot different these days. i suppose it's possible that a lot of that is just carryover from the natural fascism of the superhero genre Yeah, The Incredibles is odd in the Disco Elysium way in that the main character mentally goes to fascist thought mostly out of frustration and failure. Which makes it fairly directly anti fascist- texts that explicitly make fash thought a failure state that you're trying to avoid can't really claim to be supportive of it.
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It's always funny how everyone complaining about antifa has literally no idea what it is and invents the most amazing ideas in their head about it
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StashAugustine posted:https://twitter.com/PodsidePete/status/1289406585840652288 these are all bad movies but its armond white so the reasons given range from reasonable to batshit crazy have a little bit of batshit crazy as a treat https://twitter.com/FLbogwitch/status/1289407316333334529
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the most heroic thing mr incedible does by far is clandestinely telling the old lady the process by which she can challenge a denial of her claim at the start of the movie that he backslides from being a whistleblower on toxic insurance industry practices to helping an obvious psychopath build a better murder machine is an appalling indictment of mr incredibles moral character that the movie never even comes close to calling him out on
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Some Guy TT posted:these are all bad movies but its armond white so the reasons given range from reasonable to batshit crazy Gladiator: A leftist movie
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