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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

twoday posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75CsHHGzVis

I assume the other 4 can be easily searched, but here is a cool documentary about the Caral civilization which emerged there

Awesome thanks!

I'm also really interested in the Chinchorro culture which were creating mummies several thousand years before the Egyptians.

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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i took a behind the scenes tour of the andean collection at Amnh last summer with a teachers group and they pulled out their sack mummies and other poo poo for us from storage and the textiles and poo poo were mindblowing quality. like 2000yo desert cave shawls as vibrant and intact as any new piece of cloth but so finely woven the quality was unmistakable

twoday
May 4, 2005



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Dreylad posted:

I'm also really interested in the Chinchorro culture which were creating mummies several thousand years before the Egyptians.

then you will also like this documentary about a 5600 BC mummy, as well as my further Mauritius posts whenever I get around to those

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz94ZjGCy2s

Also, a Peruvian mummy/elongated skull doc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYtiEx6lKBM

twoday has issued a correction as of 02:38 on Jul 9, 2020

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
not quite so ancient but i thought it was cool.

https://twitter.com/OptimoPrincipi/status/1281534833320222721?s=20

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




thats cool

twoday
May 4, 2005



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GokuGoesSSj69
Apr 15, 2017
Weak people spend 10 dollars to gift titles about world leaders they dislike. The strong spend 10 dollars to gift titles telling everyone to play Deus Ex again

Tulip posted:

The only time I've seen "intensive pastoralism" invoked was for some parts of Sami herding and industrial factory farming, but I've also never really gone looking.

Sub Saharan Africa would probably be another example. A very long time ago I took a history class about the region and some of the major cultures (I wish I could remember their names off the top of my head) were based completely around herding with even their settlements being built around it. The people who live in the Kalahari still drink cow blood as a major source of nutrition.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1282868404563537920?s=20

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

lmao this owns

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

I'm imagining that Edgar Allan Poe story "Some Words with a Mummy" where the mummy just makes this noise the whole time

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Dreylad posted:

Scott's great. Thanks for the summary.

If I remember correctly, I don't even know if it casts doubt on it because the Andean fishing society also ended up being also dependent on agricultural goods raised at higher altitudes. I don't know if it started on the coast and then built its way up inland or multiple aqua/agriculture systems grew up interdependent on one another for survival.

The whole Andean region, with its dry coasts and very steep terrain shouldn't have been a place for agricultural production, and yet the massive terraced fields and irrigation channels still exist in some places today. It's pretty incredible.

If anything it is the Hohokam culture of the central Sonoran Desert that cast doubt on Scott's hypothesis. 1000 years of large scale irrigation canals in a marginal agricultural landscape with rock hard soils, 2000 years of smaller irrigation experiments prior, basically no evidence of states and even hierarchical leadership evidence is equivocal at best. Which may be because they knew about states. They interacted with West México from the earliest times of their culture (around CE 450, with sporadic contact for millenia prior) and by then states are well established in that region. By then people from that region are also living at Teotihuacan so it is possible the Hohokam had some knowledge of that massive city. And by CE 1050 their northern neighbors at Chaco Canyon had built a state out of what seems to be leveraged social and material debt embedded in ritual feasts and ritual services. So it may be an active rejection of what they saw elsewhere.

Also Hawaii sort of casts doubt on the idea that storable surplus as embodied by grain was needed for state formation as none of the staple foods of Kānaka Maoli society stored very well and historical records don't really suggest control of surplus led to the formation of the numerous states of the archipelago.

Some of the West African tropical societies (especially ancient Yoruba and Igbo) may be similar. Crops are all tubers that store poorly during the period of initial state formation.

KiteAuraan has issued a correction as of 09:24 on Jul 14, 2020

twoday
May 4, 2005



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grab some popcorn, it's movie night

Trailers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfMcMhPTUkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT95WHihc0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6TRwfxDICM

Feature:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU67oS2VBdo

twoday has issued a correction as of 01:17 on Jul 15, 2020

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

aw dammit, I was hoping Agora would be a movie of The Great Riot in Constantinople. Rachel Weiss as empress justina the prostitute when??

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011
i haven't seen any of those except Agora, which I remember thinking was pretty great


Fly Molo posted:

aw dammit, I was hoping Agora would be a movie of The Great Riot in Constantinople. Rachel Weiss as empress justina the prostitute when??

are you thinking of theodora?

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
i haven’t seen any of these. Pompeii pretty cool, I actually made popcorn and am watching the Hannibal movie now, it’s not bad except for the fact that all the Carthaginians are played by Caucasian actors and there is no way in hell that elephants would be allowed to be used in a movie this way in modern times

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Flavius Aetass posted:

i haven't seen any of those except Agora, which I remember thinking was pretty great


are you thinking of theodora?

gently caress, you’re right. now that would make an amazing movie, complete with inspirational “don’t you dare run away you little bitch!” speech from empress to emperor.

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
20 minute long dramatic sequence about the first use of the fork in the West

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

I saw Druids as a kid because my grandma won a DVD at the bingo, back then I thought it was great. There are titties in it.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

twoday posted:

20 minute long dramatic sequence about the first use of the fork in the West

little mermaid didn't drag at all

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



Whoever cast Druids made an interesting choice to include two of the best actors Europe ever had and Raiden

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Whoever cast Druids made an interesting choice to include two of the best actors Europe ever had and Raiden

So, three of the best actors europe ever had then.

Eheheh

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016


Lmao

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

If you guys are interested in a good show, and are okay with reading subtitles, I recommend Resurrection: Ertugrul. The show is based on the history of the Muslim Oghuz Turks and takes place in the 13th century. I think its pretty great, tho I have no idea how accurate it is.

I also strongly recommend Rise of Empires: Ottoman which is of much better quality than Rise of Empires: Rome.

twoday
May 4, 2005



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4nx6A6tVos

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

skraeling simp lol

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


lol

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

don't mind me, imma just forge myself an enchanted dagger right quick.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




emperor boobenis

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Dalael posted:

There is no way this religion was real otherwize it would have supplanted every other religion in tbe world. Cmon,who is not going to convert to this? Hell i dont even drink and I want to sign up!

judaism also has this but ours is to celebrate a time we didn’t get wiped out. plus you have to drink wine just like all the time for every holiday. it is very important

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Dalael posted:

There is no way this religion was real otherwize it would have supplanted every other religion in tbe world. Cmon,who is not going to convert to this? Hell i dont even drink and I want to sign up!

when a religion is the official religion of a global superpower for like 2000 years I'd call it pretty successful

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I find chance event historical stories to be interesting.

In this case of William Adams it was due to signing up for "get rich scheme" that went south and ending up in Japan of all places.

Due to the chance event it had some long term historical implications such as how the Shogunate eventually decided to boot out all Jesuits, switch over to Dutch as Japan's preferred trading partners and also led to harsh pogroms against Japanese Christians at state policy since they were seen as a subversive foreign influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aVshthzRuk

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




william adams stars in the videogame nioh

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

William Adams didn't want to be weeboo, he had no choice since he was prevented from returning back to England since his technical knowledge of things like western shipbuilding made him too valuable to lose.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




too good at yokai busting

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
https://twitter.com/erik_kaars/status/1297143608588619776?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

so wtf was Rome's secret name

I need to know

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Reme.

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Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






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It was anus

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