2020 GE: Congratulations, President Joe Biden

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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed.
Biden	425	18.06%
Trump	105	4.46%
whoever the Green Party runs	307	13.05%
GOOGLE RON PAUL	151	6.42%
Bernie Sanders	346	14.70%
Stalin	246	10.45%
Satan	300	12.75%
Nobody	202	8.58%
Jess Scarane	110	4.67%
mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party	61	2.59%
Dick Nixon	100	4.25%
Total:	2089 votes

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Fill Baptismal: Dec 15, 2008

Zerilan posted:

Yeah, material conditions will always be the first thing the majority of people will base their votes and actions on.

I loving hate that breitbart quote, but this is in many cases just demonstrably not true. There are many things that can and do matter to people more than material self interest in deciding votes.

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 21:39

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

one's view of the world will always tend to be self-serving. we want to think that we're important, that we're good people etc, and we need to make sense of our own experiences. it's not automatic, but there's a reason why homeowners and small business-people drift rightwards over time - they see taxes and frustrating red tape and grow to resent the bureaucratic hand of government, and of course they can't be the assholes here so they will tend to listen to explanations along the lines of the public sector swelling for its own sake due to internal lobbying rather than explanations saying that a lot of these rules are necessary because if they're not there people *like me* will take advantage somehow

of course there's no obvious one-to-one correlation - plenty of homeowners are socialists - but the actual reality precedes and situates the ideology involved. i think that jeremy corbyn put it very well when he said that right-wing populism is fundamentally the ideology of despair - when the only credible (in the sense of being from someone who can actually enact policy) answer you're given to why your life sucks is immigration, that starts getting awfully appealing and why don't we try it at least no im not racist...

# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:00

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

standpoint theory gets a lot of flak for its more warped and idealist manifestations, but i've always found it a helpful supplement to a hermeneutic ime

# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:02

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Still Dismal posted:

I loving hate that breitbart quote, but this is in many cases just demonstrably not true. There are many things that can and do matter to people more than material self interest in deciding votes.

There's far, far more cases of liberals adamantly refusing to acknowledge material conditions and paying for it. 'Learn to code' and all.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:09

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Many whites see it as in their material self interest to vote for the candidate who will harm non-whites as much as possible. Trump made the biggest promises in that regard and whites responded accordingly.

That's repellent, but you need a counter narrative in the race hate shithole of America beyond "ew stop being so gross you guys" if you're going to get anywhere and in 2016 uhhh

Biden de facto has a way better counter-narrative working for him without even trying thanks to COVID: EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE NOW, PLAGUEMAN gently caress OFF.

Where that gets us post COVID is... let's call it an open question.

(The other problem is most people across the political spectrum in America are so ignorant of politics that decoding their motives for voting one way or the other ends up being a rorschach test for yourself as much as anything.)

# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:22

Evrart Claire: Jan 11, 2008

Still Dismal posted:

I loving hate that breitbart quote, but this is in many cases just demonstrably not true. There are many things that can and do matter to people more than material self interest in deciding votes.

Nah. People will first and foremost vote based on their material self-interest, and everything beyond that is primarily for the sake of self-justification.

sean10mm posted:

That's repellent, but you need a counter narrative in the race hate shithole of America beyond "ew stop being so gross you guys" if you're going to get anywhere and in 2016 uhhh

Yeah. That's ultimately why Trump won in 2016. He promised to improve their lives. Sure, he was lying, and many of them outside of the cultist types probably knew he was most likely lying, but what if he wasn't? On the other hand Clinton promised nothing more than to stay a lovely course. "America is already great?" loving nonsense.

Evrart Claire fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Aug 3, 2020

# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:07

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

The argument of Capitalism being the great original sin always breaks down for me when it faces White Supremacy. Which isn't to say that I'm not sympathetic to the notion that slavery can be a consequence of Capitalism. Outside of chattel slavery, our history and present show work conditions that are almost indistinguishable from slavery. And yet chattel slavery of Blacks remains relatively unique with worker's rights movements already emerging in parallel to slavery. And the reality is, everything being equal, despite the lack of reparations, you saw Blacks who did manage to find a way to thrive in politics and in business. And I'm sorry, but Capitalism does not explain Wilmington or Tulsa.

That doesn't mean that Capitalism and White Supremacy can't be easily un-intertwined, and at this point I don't think one can be defeated without the other.

But it faces a big danger to the Left or the Leftist-Woke folks who aren't necessarily engaging in change, but just coming to realizations about how the world works and how it should be. The notion that being Anti-Capitalist means you're inherently Anti-White Supremacist is dangerous. Ask Black folks who have engaged in a surface level good movement or worked in a woke school with mostly white employees or bosses or look at the White dudes who I've seen literally interrupt speakers at BLM rallies.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:54

punishedkissinger: Sep 20, 2017

Timeless Appeal posted:

The argument of Capitalism being the great original sin always breaks down for me when it faces White Supremacy. Which isn't to say that I'm not sympathetic to the notion that slavery can be a consequence of Capitalism. Outside of chattel slavery, our history and present show work conditions that are almost indistinguishable from slavery. And yet chattel slavery of Blacks remains relatively unique with worker's rights movements already emerging in parallel to slavery. And the reality is, everything being equal, despite the lack of reparations, you saw Blacks who did manage to find a way to thrive in politics and in business. And I'm sorry, but Capitalism does not explain Wilmington or Tulsa.

That doesn't mean that Capitalism and White Supremacy can't be easily un-intertwined, and at this point I don't think one can be defeated without the other.

But it faces a big danger to the Left or the Leftist-Woke folks who aren't necessarily engaging in change, but just coming to realizations about how the world works and how it should be. The notion that being Anti-Capitalist means you're inherently Anti-White Supremacist is dangerous. Ask Black folks who have engaged in a surface level good movement or worked in a woke school with mostly white employees or bosses or look at the White dudes who I've seen literally interrupt speakers at BLM rallies.

Capitalism and racism are separate issues that often reinforce each other. You could say that they "intersect" even.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 14:17

F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

the_steve posted:

https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1290136860237291520?s=19

The sad fact is that most of the rest of the world has figured out that the government and taxes can be used for the people's benefit, to fund a social safety net instead of lining the pockets of our Precious and Holy Job Creators. According to travel expert Rick Steves (who is a good guy and hosts a great travel series), Norway has higher taxes but good government services (including an old age pension), the Netherlands have legalized and unionized sex work and legal weed, etc. And although all of these countries have their problems, I'd bet their populace is happier and more productive because the government works for them instead of against them because of misguided bullshit about bootstraps.

Meanwhile, many of us here in the "most advanced country in the world" are struggling for scraps of overpriced health care because we've decided that insurance parasites making money is more important than people's health. It's infuriating, and I'm not sure it's going to change without revolution.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 15:17

Solanumai: Mar 26, 2006; It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!

Pingui posted:

In SC 65+ was 222% of turnout in '16.

In the Super Tuesday states (for the states where primaries were also held in '16) 65+ was 183% of turnout in '16.

Edit:
As far as the racial and gender makeup in S.C. goes the change from 2016 was:
pre:
White:		+112%
Non-white:	+10%
Male:		+58%
Female:		+37%
The result of which was that the S.C. primary went from 65.5% non-white to majority white.

Reaching back a page, but I also find it humorous that no one ever mentions that South Carolina is an open primary, and has no party registration, and cancelled their Republican Primary that was meant to be the same day. Trump tried to troll something about "Operation Chaos" getting people to vote for Bernie, but I'd be willing to wager any republicans that showed up probably wouldn't vote for the scary socialist man, even if they thought he was the "weaker" candidate, which no one did at the time.

I always got a chuckle from articles celebrating this huge increase turnout and asking no questions about the disproportionate increase of old white voters. Especially when the Republican Primary there pulled double the turnout of the Democratic one in 2016.

e: No questions were asked, of course, because old white people voting is exactly what they want. I just mean this to say that, well, why was SC propped up as some sort of voice of the Democratic Party? If the black vote was so important, wouldn't the black voter share going down mean something?

Solanumai fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Aug 3, 2020

# ? Aug 3, 2020 15:34

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Shageletic posted:

Is this the worst thing they could bring out? Some blandly supporting speech given to a local powerful association, about being nice

Scientology is obvi terrible but this doesn't make me blink at all

Kamala gleefully feasts on the tears of the misfortunate

They can't effectively attack Bass publicly. Her stated politics are slightly left of Harris, but not so left as to be "kooky" or whatever, so they need to find scandals. And it looks like Bass has mostly kept herself free of those since assuming public office so they put out whatever they could dig up. Their more effective attacks will be talking to donors and party insiders behind closed doors where they can highlight subtle differences. That's where they can let the corporate donors know that while both Bass and Harris want to grind the homeless into a nutritious gruel that can be fed to the poor, Harris would let the gruel be sold at a profit with the distribution via a public-private partnership with Halliburton.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 15:41

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Shere posted:

Reaching back a page, but I also find it humorous that no one ever mentions that South Carolina is an open primary, and has no party registration, and cancelled their Republican Primary that was meant to be the same day. Trump tried to troll something about "Operation Chaos" getting people to vote for Bernie, but I'd be willing to wager any republicans that showed up probably wouldn't vote for the scary socialist man, even if they thought he was the "weaker" candidate, which no one did at the time.

It's been brought up before. The understanding is that, in general, the fear of open primaries leading to troll-votes isn't a well-founded one. if it happens at all, it doesn't have enough of an effect.

There also still was a Republican Primary for a Lindsay's senate seat and several House seats.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 15:46

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Timeless Appeal posted:

The argument of Capitalism being the great original sin always breaks down for me when it faces White Supremacy. Which isn't to say that I'm not sympathetic to the notion that slavery can be a consequence of Capitalism. Outside of chattel slavery, our history and present show work conditions that are almost indistinguishable from slavery. And yet chattel slavery of Blacks remains relatively unique with worker's rights movements already emerging in parallel to slavery. And the reality is, everything being equal, despite the lack of reparations, you saw Blacks who did manage to find a way to thrive in politics and in business. And I'm sorry, but Capitalism does not explain Wilmington or Tulsa.

That doesn't mean that Capitalism and White Supremacy can't be easily un-intertwined, and at this point I don't think one can be defeated without the other.

But it faces a big danger to the Left or the Leftist-Woke folks who aren't necessarily engaging in change, but just coming to realizations about how the world works and how it should be. The notion that being Anti-Capitalist means you're inherently Anti-White Supremacist is dangerous. Ask Black folks who have engaged in a surface level good movement or worked in a woke school with mostly white employees or bosses or look at the White dudes who I've seen literally interrupt speakers at BLM rallies.

capitalism explains wilmington and tulsa really easily. like, pathetically easy. watch me:

"where human rights interfere with the accumulation of capital, capital will back whatever systems allow them to redefine a subset of people as not human."

they found a way to thrive in politics and business. if you allow that to get out of hand, you have to build a whole new system of oppression with a whole new not-technically human underclass, a tremendous investment to get back to where you were before. and so, as it was in Indonesia, it was in Tulsa: in the name of preserving employee/employer relations, HR distributed machetes and firebombs to some outside contractors, and told them "go nuts on anyone who looks like they're getting ideas."

there are historically well-founded reasons to fear the left does not take race seriously enough. "capitalism does not explain American racism" has never been one of them.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 15:48

Solanumai: Mar 26, 2006; It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!

Timeless Appeal posted:

It's been brought up before. The understanding is that, in general, the fear of open primaries leading to troll-votes isn't a well-founded one. if it happens at all, it doesn't have enough of an effect.

There also still was a Republican Primary for a Lindsay's senate seat and several House seats.

Those primaries happened on June 9th.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 15:50

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Shere posted:

Those primaries happened on June 9th.

Ah word, is there actual confirmation that this properly acted as a loophole? Struggled to find stuff specifying.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 16:17

Pentecoastal Elites: Feb 27, 2007

Not everything is about an economic theory, right?
If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?

# ? Aug 3, 2020 16:38

the_steve: Nov 9, 2005; We're always hiring!

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

Not everything is about an economic theory, right?
If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?

Maybe not end any of it, but it would definitely knock some of their teeth out.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 16:54

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

the_steve posted:

Maybe not end any of it, but it would definitely knock some of their teeth out.

Yeah, one of the numerous reasons that quote is hilarious bullshit is the big banks are demonstrably racist, sexist and homophobic institutions which have massive power over individual people's lives

# ? Aug 3, 2020 16:59

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Timeless Appeal posted:

Ah word, is there actual confirmation that this properly acted as a loophole? Struggled to find stuff specifying.

Every state I'm aware of that has open primaries prohibits you from participating in more than one party's primary, even if they're split up / there's a runoff. This is one of the bigger factors limiting spoiler effects, because people like to participate in the primary they identify with even when there aren't other incentives to do so (eg "i would like to be a state delegate and i can't do that if i vote in the other party this year" or "gosh i'd really not rather have my boss and neighbors be able to look up that I voted as a Democrat"). Canceling the presidential primary and having a later nonpresidential primary shouldn't affect this much, especially if there is literally any other race on the ballot the diehard Republicans that would normally bother to vote in a primary with an incumbent president care about.

Like I said when it last came up, there's good historical and statistical reason to believe that open primaries only alter results by a couple percent at most. Maybe Bernie Sanders would have gotten 23% instead of 20% in a closed South Carolina primary.

or maybe he would have gotten 15% because republicans thought he would be easier to beat than biden / was better than biden / because sanders voters are historically quite bad at jumping through the hoops to register for a closed primary :v:

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Aug 3, 2020

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:00

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Every state I'm aware of that has open primaries prohibits you from participating in more than one party's primary, even if they're split up / there's a runoff.

When you look up the SC Election Board though, you do get this curious entry in their FAQ:

quote:

Can I vote in both primaries?
No. State law prohibits voters from voting in more than one party�s primary on the same day.

Which is legitimately kind of confusing. And while I see the actual language that stops run off silliness, I don't see the actual protection on the primaries being on separate days.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:07

Famethrowa: Oct 5, 2012

https://www.chicagotribune.com/marijuana/sns-tft-biden-sanders-task-force-legal-marijuana-20200710-g5fxriguubgspi65rxkhchrbrm-story.html

Literally the easiest and most popular win they could have had, and they are still doing a compromise.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:10

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Famethrowa posted:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/marijuana/sns-tft-biden-sanders-task-force-legal-marijuana-20200710-g5fxriguubgspi65rxkhchrbrm-story.html

Literally the easiest and most popular win they could have had, and they are still doing a compromise.

They're suggesting they'll "reschedule" instead of descheduling it. Be a real game changer when the Biden admin shifts pot from Schedule 1, where it hangs out with heroin, all the way down to Schedule 2, where it can be classified with the very similar drugs of meth and cocaine.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:21

Rainbow Knight: Apr 19, 2006; We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

Not everything is about an economic theory, right?
If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?

racism, maybe yeah. sexism and bigotry against the LGBTQ community? nah probably not.

e: to be clear, racism is only going to refine itself into general prejudice at best. The Other will always be around, even if everyone on earth lived in one place and had the same skin color. the trick is to educate people. society just has to mature

Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Aug 3, 2020

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:29

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Timeless Appeal posted:

When you look up the SC Election Board though, you do get this curious entry in their FAQ:

Which is legitimately kind of confusing. And while I see the actual language that stops run off silliness, I don't see the actual protection on the primaries being on separate days.

Hm. Well, state laws are weird, maybe I'm wrong about South Carolina on that count!

It actually wouldn't stop me from being in favor of open primaries, largely for a reason I alluded to in the post - requiring people to be registered in advance as [party] legit suppresses votes from first-time voters and low-involvement voters. and also people who cannot accept having a D or R next to their name

it's also not actually that much more of a logistical barrier to republican olds with lots of time on their hands if they really want to vote for Bernie / against Bernie / for Tom Steyer, they can just change their registration too

Wicked Them Beats posted:

They're suggesting they'll "reschedule" instead of descheduling it. Be a real game changer when the Biden admin shifts pot from Schedule 1, where it hangs out with heroin, all the way down to Schedule 2, where it can be classified with the very similar drugs of meth and cocaine.

looks like it's from the original sandersbiden document and while I personally really hate "leave it up to the states", seeing as how I'm in loving Texas, states making their own decisions about recreational marijuana is not compatible with scheduling it any higher than... frankly, probably 5 at worst lol

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:31

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

It's kinda weird how dead silent Harris has been, actually. I've been kinda casually watching stuff like sunday shows and it's been all people like Bass or even hilariously Abrams getting called 'a name mentioned in the list' even though she's clearly dead in the water there.

I'm not sure if that means she's already gotten the nod and they're letting the meaningless people feel helpful or if they're still auditioning.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:37

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Here's some tweets that I think sums up the way leftists are approaching this election, and why we don't think Biden replacing Trump necessarily benefits our causes:

https://twitter.com/IramiOF/status/1290018984171991040?s=19
https://twitter.com/IramiOF/status/1290020778910420993?s=19

Really feels like the left is hosed regardless, but it's difficult to tell which option is actually more harmful to leftist causes in the long term. (Edit: note she is speaking specifically to black people and their concerns but I feel this captures the general attitude I've seen from the left towards a hypothetical Biden admin)

GreyjoyBastard posted:

looks like it's from the original sandersbiden document and while I personally really hate "leave it up to the states", seeing as how I'm in loving Texas, states making their own decisions about recreational marijuana is not compatible with scheduling it any higher than... frankly, probably 5 at worst lol

No way Biden let's it go lower than 3. He was still claiming the gateway drug BS as recently as this year.

Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 3, 2020

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:37

Son of Thunderbeast: Sep 21, 2002

Wicked Them Beats posted:

No way Biden let's it go lower than 3. He was still claiming the gateway drug BS as recently as this year.

Imagine still believing and carrying water for the gateway drug myth in 20 fuckin 20

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:40

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Hm. Well, state laws are weird, maybe I'm wrong about South Carolina on that count!

It actually wouldn't stop me from being in favor of open primaries, largely for a reason I alluded to in the post - requiring people to be registered in advance as [party] legit suppresses votes from first-time voters and low-involvement voters. and also people who cannot accept having a D or R next to their name

Agreed. In SC particularly, the justification is actually to give a voice to voters who would traditionally vote Democrat/Liberal in situations where a non-Republican victory is almost impossible. It's there to keep the SC GOP from going insanely racist, I mean relatively.

I disagree with Shere that it can explain Biden's victory or even the vast majority of the victory, but I think they have a point that the change of dates jacks things up a bit.

sexpig by night posted:

It's kinda weird how dead silent Harris has been, actually. I've been kinda casually watching stuff like sunday shows and it's been all people like Bass or even hilariously Abrams getting called 'a name mentioned in the list' even though she's clearly dead in the water there.

I'm not sure if that means she's already gotten the nod and they're letting the meaningless people feel helpful or if they're still auditioning.

There was that thing about people in Biden's campaign torpedoing her because they think she's too ambitious. So maybe it has something to do with that.

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Aug 3, 2020

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:45

2nd Rate Poster: Mar 25, 2004; i started a joke

lol imagine being too ambitious of a VP for a 77 year old dementia patient. what kind of brain worms does that campaign have?

# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:54

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

2nd Rate Poster posted:

lol imagine being too ambitious of a VP for a 77 year old dementia patient. what kind of brain worms does that campaign have?

They value loyalty above all else, and Harris isn't bowing and scraping enough for their taste. Think of how often Biden talks up his "boss" Obama. They want any VP to be obsequious to a fault, and Harris would very clearly be spending her tenure as VP running for president.

Plus a few of the inner circle are probably still upset over the attempted debate knifing on the busing thing, especially since they know drat well that Harris doesn't actually care about busing or desegregation.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:00

Solanumai: Mar 26, 2006; It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!

Timeless Appeal posted:

Agreed. In SC particularly, the justification is actually to give a voice to voters who would traditionally vote Democrat/Liberal in situations where a non-Republican victory is almost impossible. It's there to keep the SC GOP from going insanely racist, I mean relatively.

I disagree with Shere that it can explain Biden's victory or even the vast majority of the victory, but I think they have a point that the change of dates jacks things up a bit.
There was that thing about people in Biden's campaign torpedoing her because they think she's too ambitious. So maybe it has something to do with that.

Yeah to be clear, my point was less that there was a grand vote-shifting Biden-supporting Republican conspiracy, and more that we really let a very Republican-leaning state with a wide open ballot and no competing primary decide a lot about our presidential candidates while ascribing that decision to the black vote, which saw a disproportionate reduction in representation, and also favored Biden significantly less than Clinton or Obama (unsurprising). I'm mostly incredulous about how extremely important the media decided SC was suddenly when it previous years the wins were more decisive.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:09

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

2nd Rate Poster posted:

lol imagine being too ambitious of a VP for a 77 year old dementia patient. what kind of brain worms does that campaign have?

yea tbh I think that little rumor was bullshit, or at least not something that matters much to the actual campaign just because even biden's campaign isn't so stupid they'd think 'wow this lady sure is ambitious for the person who'd be second in command to an elderly man who's absolutely currently dying mentally' means anything. Like, biden himself has said he views himself as a 'transitional' president (which is insane because he, ya know, could have just not run but still).

# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:28

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Speaking of VP, imagine pushing for Warren because she went to a segregated sorority (while lying about being a person of color I guess) because she uniquely understands race in America...more than the like three or four black women in consideration???

https://twitter.com/spectordeforce/status/1290042932972707840

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-biden-vice-president.html

# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:43

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Shere posted:

Yeah to be clear, my point was less that there was a grand vote-shifting Biden-supporting Republican conspiracy, and more that we really let a very Republican-leaning state with a wide open ballot and no competing primary decide a lot about our presidential candidates while ascribing that decision to the black vote, which saw a disproportionate reduction in representation, and also favored Biden significantly less than Clinton or Obama (unsurprising). I'm mostly incredulous about how extremely important the media decided SC was suddenly when it previous years the wins were more decisive.

I mean it did matter. SC was a good indicator on how the rest of the South would go. In that, I think it's definitely fair to say that someone like Pete was pretty done for. And I think it's fair to say that it showed Biden did have a lane after looking like the race was potentially going to be between Pete and Bernie.

What it doesn't really tell you is that Biden was going to win. It just showed at that point that Bernie and Biden both had respective lanes to success with Warren and Bloomberg kind of holding out hope that they were going to shoot the moon or something. I don't really watch TV news. So, I don't really know how the pundits spun it... but I can take a guess!

# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:50

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

Not everything is about an economic theory, right?
If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?

I too remember that really dumb quote from Hillary.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:16

Feldegast42: Oct 29, 2011; COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

sexpig by night posted:

Speaking of VP, imagine pushing for Warren because she went to a segregated sorority (while lying about being a person of color I guess) because she uniquely understands race in America...more than the like three or four black women in consideration???

https://twitter.com/spectordeforce/status/1290042932972707840

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-biden-vice-president.html

Lol how did we all miss this poo poo

# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:33

punishedkissinger: Sep 20, 2017

sexpig by night posted:

Speaking of VP, imagine pushing for Warren because she went to a segregated sorority (while lying about being a person of color I guess) because she uniquely understands race in America...more than the like three or four black women in consideration???

https://twitter.com/spectordeforce/status/1290042932972707840

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-biden-vice-president.html

apparently the first black members joined in 2013

https://www.al.com/tuscaloosa/2013/09/alabama_sorority_breaks_racial.html

# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:43

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Feldegast42 posted:

Lol how did we all miss this poo poo

Not that it makes it much better, but if you read the article it clarifies that the sorority allowed black girls to pledge, but for SOME REASON none of the black kids ever were selected.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:44

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

Sororities and Fraternities have not gotten any better on integration or representation since Warren was in school, that's for sure.

# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:46

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punishedkissinger: Sep 20, 2017

do you think Warren checked the Native American box when she applied for that sorority?

# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:46

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