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akulanization posted:So when she said that she doesn’t need to beat him to win 2 pages ago you think she was lying? Her victory not having anything to do with winning the fight doesn't mean she can't also win the fight. It's pretty fair for the lesser victory to flow from the greater.
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violent sex idiot posted:i somehow didnt catch before that the timey wimey bullshit is done once white chains got her real body, the rain falling straight down instead of suspended in air She exhales, which is how the Ki Rata murder speed ends for a particular user. Which also implies Solomon didn’t keep going with Total Life Annihilation.
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Joe Slowboat posted:She exhales, which is how the Ki Rata murder speed ends for a particular user. its done the panel before that
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Wittgen posted:Her victory not having anything to do with winning the fight doesn't mean she can't also win the fight. It's pretty fair for the lesser victory to flow from the greater.
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Aug 3, 2020 18:49
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Darth Walrus posted:It does certainly look like White Chain took something from Dave, seeing as she now looks so much like she could be his daughter. These panels are in part a callback to when Allison passed by Incubus and cut him on the cheek
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Aug 3, 2020 18:56
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wiegieman posted:They're Kintsugi lines. They also follow vaguely along some of Blaschko's Lines  Which are usually invisible lines that mark the borders between cell growth regions as we develop skin: pigment discoloration conditions like vitiligo therefore often tend to show shapes bordered by the edges of those lines, though never as neatly as what White Chain has (they generally tend to form regions rather than lines) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Aug 3, 2020 18:58
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paranoid randroid posted:Nyave has this poo poo handled Nyave is just salivating at the thought of getting to do WC's hair now alongside the dress shopping.
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Aug 3, 2020 19:08
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Next book is just going to be a comedy about White Chain learning about pooping
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MikeJF posted:Next book is just going to be a comedy about White Chain learning about pooping What a way to end the series.
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Who What Now posted:I think you're all missing what's really going to be important in these next few updates: who's going to get White Chain some pants? There's no way White Chain has studied martial arts for millennia and has not picked up the Piccolo Clothes Beam.
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violent sex idiot posted:its done the panel before that Yeah Dave arm is down and he’s just standing there. Probably going to collapse like a samurai duel
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relevant content https://twitter.com/cubmoth/status/1290243623871811584
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Dead Reckoning posted:Uh, fair has nothing to do with it. White Chain unlocking Ki Rata and getting the body she wants because she finally resolved her internal conflict between being a peace keeper and protecting the weak is just her getting treats for tangentially related character development. I was responding to your assertion that White Chain saying she did not have to win in order to win implied that it would be narratively unsatisfying if she ended up winning. You are laughably wrong. She fought without attachment to winning. She fought with pure will to do what was right and in so doing she was guranteed to win on a personal level. This just happens to be a world where fighting in the right frame of mind lets you do crazy magic poo poo. God this development rules. I hope white chain lives.
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Aug 3, 2020 20:17
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Salami Dave getting owned in his own game is good
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Aug 3, 2020 20:19
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I’m hoping the next page opens with him looking absolutely awestruck at what just happened, and say: “...mag... nificent...”
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back story on why he's called dave? i love it, just wondering why.
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Hegel Exercises posted:back story on why he's called dave? in love it, just wondering why. His 'real' or 'birth' or w/e name is Solomon David. E: I don't know if this is the first reference but it's the first reference I could find https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-1-9/ As for "why," at a deeper level he's the ultimate in paternal, authoritarian government, so of course he's named after both of the greatest and wisest kings of Israel. Tulip fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Grouchio posted:WHAT HAPPENS NOW? i just want to see the resulting thorn chaos
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Wittgen posted:I was responding to your assertion that White Chain saying she did not have to win in order to win implied that it would be narratively unsatisfying if she ended up winning. You are laughably wrong. She fought without attachment to winning. She fought with pure will to do what was right and in so doing she was guranteed to win on a personal level. I think a big part of what sells it for me is that this is all completely unexpected to her. She threw everything she had into striking the biggest blow to David possible without thought or regard for consequences. She's given up on the goal of actually hitting David and is pouring her whole being into throwing a punch at him just for the sheer sake of defying him with no desire or expectation of success, let alone any intent to kung fu magic herself into a flesh and blood body.
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I just think that thematically, given Zoss' speech and the buildup to Solomon David, having him lose at his own game would really undercut the point. The point is that tyrants set up games they can't lose, and beating them at their own game - being better at violence than Solomon David - is never going to actually change the world. Solomon David getting cut would be kind of basic and if there's anything this last page wasn't, it's basic.
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White Chain learned the white art. That's how she could transform. Being forced to confront her rigid mindset so much lately gave her the self-knowledge she needed to finally change herself. It's an interesting contrast with 6 Juggernaut who had her own internal conflict but focused on changing external things. As for SD, even if he was cut (which is fine, he'd just use martial arts bullshit to prevent any blood from seeping out), I think he'll declare the fight over after witnessing something genuinely new.
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Hegel Exercises posted:back story on why he's called dave? i love it, just wondering why. It's King Solomon's full name. We call him Dave because it's fun to give a diminutive nickname to an extremely high-status character in any story.
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Brought To You By posted:It's pretty clear that White Chain herself didn't know that punching Solly would result in gaining a human body. I think her line was simply stating that the mere act of her resisting Solomon was her victory itself regardless of whether she "won" the fight or not. To that end I agree with Neddy that WC was clearly aiming for Solomon's face and got a lot more out of the bargain than she expected. I was pointing out that trying to sacrifice her shell to get on good hit in is a plan to win the fight. I read it as, as you said, her continued resistance to Solomon and a refusal to stop punching just because her shell was falling apart. Straight White Shark posted:I think a big part of what sells it for me is that this is all completely unexpected to her. She threw everything she had into striking the biggest blow to David possible without thought or regard for consequences. She's given up on the goal of actually hitting David and is pouring her whole being into throwing a punch at him just for the sheer sake of defying him with no desire or expectation of success, let alone any intent to kung fu magic herself into a flesh and blood body. This is my reading too. We have characters that care deeply about winning and they all suck; there is no better way to demonstrate that Incubus and Solomon are wrong than to have White Chain win without actually accomplishing the stated victory conditions of the fight. Both WC and Allison had moments of personal growth when they let go of their desire to win by Solomon’s rules in this book. It would be very narratively unsatisfying if there was a victory on his terms. ConanTheLibrarian posted:White Chain learned the white art. That's how she could transform. Being forced to confront her rigid mindset so much lately gave her the self-knowledge she needed to finally change herself. Minor thing but I think you might mean the black art. That’s the on that can create life; the white art’s arbitrary domain is division iirc.
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I don't think it's a problem if she also achieves victory on his terms, by accident, and then immediately walks away from it because She Does Not Give A poo poo.
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gently caress YES Unrelated: The latest chapter of Jujutsu Kaisen has someone who understands royalty 
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akulanization posted:Minor thing but I think you might mean the black art. That’s the on that can create life; the white art’s arbitrary domain is division iirc. Yet.
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"My fist is the fist that creates myself." I'm throwing away any predictions for what happens next and just rolling with it.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I don't think it's a problem if she also achieves victory on his terms, by accident, and then immediately walks away from it because She Does Not Give A poo poo. I think this undermines it because it pretty much says 'by being a cool person you also get the power to punch dictators' - it's boring and pat to say 'right makes might' because like... what if it doesn't? Zoss wasn't saying 'stop trying to punch the wheel into shape, because if you focus on actual growth, invention, and mutuality, you will PUNCH SO MUCH loving HARDER HELLLLL YEAAAAAAAAH'
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I mean, it ain't exactly "destroying the grand enemy called 'I.'"
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Joe Slowboat posted:She exhales, which is how the Ki Rata murder speed ends for a particular user. He did go through with Total Life Annihilation. White Chain got herself so killed she wrapped around to the other side, like an underflow error.
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Tagichatn posted:The opposite of Enkidel. Diogines fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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IMJack posted:He did go through with Total Life Annihilation. White Chain got herself so killed she wrapped around to the other side, like an underflow error. this is the rough equivalent of the bug in Civilization I that made Gandhi SO peaceful that it wrapped around in the code and made him a nuke-crazy psychopath
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Terry Pratchett made a bunch of "overflow/underflow error" type of jokes, from simple things like clothing being such a deep black it started being colors on the far side of black, to a person being so horribly sober they were knurd and needing a drink or three just to bring them back to being functional.
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Straight White Shark posted:I think a big part of what sells it for me is that this is all completely unexpected to her. She threw everything she had into striking the biggest blow to David possible without thought or regard for consequences. She's given up on the goal of actually hitting David and is pouring her whole being into throwing a punch at him just for the sheer sake of defying him with no desire or expectation of success, let alone any intent to kung fu magic herself into a flesh and blood body. Wittgen posted:I was responding to your assertion that White Chain saying she did not have to win in order to win implied that it would be narratively unsatisfying if she ended up winning. You are laughably wrong. She fought without attachment to winning. She fought with pure will to do what was right and in so doing she was guranteed to win on a personal level. I think it's bad writing because it contradicts the established rules of the story. If she was truly fighting without attachment to self or victory, then why would her apotheosis grant her the body she always wanted? If she had fully annihilated her ego and desire in order to land one perfect strike as Meti teaches, why would the result be to grant her something she had been clinging to before experiencing ego loss? If she still had attachment to her feminine self-concept and desire for acceptance, then by definition she shouldn't be able to do a Meti Special Cut. It hasn't worked this way for Meti, Intra, or any of the other characters who are implied or stated to have been able to achieve moments of perfect zen. All of them seemed pretty down on it after having done it. White Chain being able to strike a God because she struck without attachment is something that makes sense in the context of the rest of the story. Doing so resulting in the fulfillment of her desires unrelated to striking a perfect blow doesn't; it's just the universe giving her treats. Now, Solomon David may be the one person in the universe where punching him in the face actually can grant your desires, apparently instantaneously and without you having to tell him what you want, but the whole joke was that anyone still clinging to desire would never be able to touch him. That's the point, that was what made the Ring of Power a farce. I get that Abbadon really wanted to give White Chain this moment from the start, both out of personal affection for the character and because he knew his audience would mostly love it, but I really feel like it undercuts the whole "don't play the Demiurges' game, even victory is just a trap" theme Zoss has been banging on the whole time.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'm not akulanization. Or, perhaps, you've misunderstood Zoss's lesson somewhat. No, it is the author who is wrong.
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https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1290280550503071746?s=20violent sex idiot posted:i somehow didnt catch before that the timey wimey bullshit is done once white chains got her real body, the rain falling straight down instead of suspended in air It's been said repeatedly in supplementary text that any amount of distraction breaks the ki rata bullshit trance, and I think it's reasonable to guess that both participants are a bit distracted at the moment.
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i think if your read of the text of the comic and below-comic supplements so far is "the people on high know 100% what they're talking about and everyone involved is doomed to not get what they want", your read may be a bit flawed
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I don't think it matters if she "won" here or not. One previously well-attested way to draw blood from the Strongest Kung Fu Guy Ever is by attaining Royalty as understood by the masters of Sword Law - eat, breathe, and poo poo as someone who is cutting Solomon David. No hesitation, no awareness, no self. That's more or less the opposite of what White Chain has done here. I mean, sure, it could still work for all any of us knows.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think it's bad writing because it contradicts the established rules of the story. quote:It hasn't worked this way for Meti, Intra, or any of the other characters who are implied or stated to have been able to achieve moments of perfect zen. quote:I really feel like it undercuts the whole "don't play the Demiurges' game, even victory is just a trap" theme Zoss has been banging on the whole time. quote:If she had fully annihilated her ego and desire in order to land one perfect strike as Meti teaches, why would the result be to grant her something she had been clinging to before experiencing ego loss? At no point have we had reason to believe that White Chain just really, really wanted to be human. She didn't become flesh on purpose. This is not some magical wish-fulfillment, it is something miraculous and confusing and unprecedented. How and why it happened, exactly, remains to be seen (if it even gets explained). So please do us all a favor and stop acting like you know exactly what's going on.
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