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Cat Mattress posted:It could be worse. It could be a prequel to a reboot of an older movie and all three are named "The Thing". The original's title is The Thing From Another World.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I’m by no means an expert on this but I feel like it was LGR or Ross’ Game Dungeon who had a really interesting video (or series?) on late 80’s/early 90’s PC technology and some of the hurdles with regards to smoothly rendering 2D environments (like you’d find in platformers) even as competently as an NES. I’ll have to see if I can find it, I want to say it came up during a piece on an official Mega Man PC port review. Dangerous Dave in Copyright Infringement was I believe the first (or at least one of the first) time someone managed to crack that, and eventually became Commander Keen IIRC.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:31
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Groovelord Neato posted:The original's title is The Thing From Another World. Turner renamed it The Thing for the colorized and VHS home releases and it's probably how most people today remember the 1951 original.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:32
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DO4M is loving not fun and lame and you just watch glory kill cutscenes every five seconds and it sucks and has too many stupid upgrade systems there I said it. Throw poo poo at me and yell at me.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:32
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al-azad posted:Turner renamed it The Thing for the colorized and VHS home releases and it's probably how most people today remember the 1951 original. Did they? I've only ever known it by the original title. caleb posted:DO4M is loving not fun and lame and you just watch glory kill cutscenes every five seconds and it sucks and has too many stupid upgrade systems there I said it. Throw poo poo at me and yell at me. It wasn't my cup of tea but I can't hate on anyone having fun with it but it definitely wasn't Doom. I guess a part of me is thankful we never got Carmack's Doom 4 because it sounded way worse than nuDoom and Eternal. It's certainly a bummer knowing we'll never get a proper modern Doom.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:35
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Cat Machine posted:Playing Doom II for the first time and I'm hella stressed I don't know what happened in that particular situation, but Pain Elementals are somewhat easy to game once you know what their behavior is (I'm assuming that this is your first game experience with them, no custom WADs). The first thing is that they won't shoot their souls if they can't see you, instead opting to advance. If they're far away, find cover and let them come close to you. If you don't have cover in the room you're in, retreat back through a door Second thing is that if they don't have room to spawn their souls, the souls will just pop. This doesn't work in Brutal Doom (I think? Never played) or Doom 64, but if you jam right up against a Pain Elemental they'll have no room to spawn the Lost Soul and will keep firing to no effect. You can even shut down their death burst which spawns 3 this way by running into their space as they die. If you can't get to them, take cover then jam into their face when they come to you. If you can run right for them, jam into their face and pop them before turning your attention to other enemies (assuming you don't need to prioritize those other enemies first for whatever reason). No cover, no retreat, and no way to jam into their face? Haul out the chaingun and tap the fire button. As long as you don't hold down fire, it'll stay accurate and interrupt their attempts to spawn Lost Souls. I suggest the Super Shotgun for close and personal, though the Plasma Gun also works. While the chaingun works for long-range sniping, you need them dead fast if you also have other enemies to contend with.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:35
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QuakeCon sales are on at Steam, GOG, and probably everywhere else too. Doom Eternal in particular is half-price, which seems pertinent given the recent discussion.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:38
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Groovelord Neato posted:It wasn't my cup of tea but I can't hate on anyone having fun with it but it definitely wasn't Doom. I guess a part of me is thankful we never got Carmack's Doom 4 because it sounded way worse than nuDoom and Eternal. It's certainly a bummer knowing we'll never get a proper modern Doom. I mean if people love it then that's way cool and they should have fun and enjoy it and Eternal. I just don't see it as the most excellent return to form that everyone else does and I feel like a weirdo for not "getting" it.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:51
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Pursued by bees posted:I was confused for a bit until I realized that you were talking about the Underdark Overbright episode, which also contains the updated intro level. Ah! My mistake.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:51
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Pyrolocutus posted:You can even shut down their death burst which spawns 3 this way by running into their space as they die. The chainsaw is ideal for killing lone pain elementals: the way the weapon "bites" into its victim and continually pushes you towards them gives you just enough momentum to get right in the spawn spot when the PE stops being solid.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:51
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caleb posted:I mean if people love it then that's way cool and they should have fun and enjoy it and Eternal. I just don't see it as the most excellent return to form that everyone else does and I feel like a weirdo for not "getting" it. I've had this feeling since 2016. I should love these games, but I just can't get over the constant menu fiddling, upgrades, and dictated gameplay.
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Aug 4, 2020 19:54
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Groovelord Neato posted:It blows my mind they decided it was a good idea to call their new game in the series "DOOM" like that isn't one of the most well known video games ever. This became a real trend in video game sequels in the 2010s. Devs just got sick of numbers I guess and just started releasing them as "Tomb Raider" or "Hitman" or "Doom".
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Aug 4, 2020 19:58
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The Cheshire Cat posted:This became a real trend in video game sequels in the 2010s. Devs just got sick of numbers I guess and just started releasing them as "Tomb Raider" or "Hitman" or "Doom".
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Aug 4, 2020 20:00
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caleb posted:I mean if people love it then that's way cool and they should have fun and enjoy it and Eternal. I just don't see it as the most excellent return to form that everyone else does and I feel like a weirdo for not "getting" it. I'm with you. Felt the same way when 2016 came out and they doubled down on the worst aspects with Eternal. We talked about it earlier in the thread but not having in-fighting was a huge red flag. The Cheshire Cat posted:This became a real trend in video game sequels in the 2010s. Devs just got sick of numbers I guess and just started releasing them as "Tomb Raider" or "Hitman" or "Doom". Yeah but DOOM is a game my dad knows about it was so big when it came out.
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Aug 4, 2020 20:14
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Shadow Hog posted:Despite the criticism it receives, some of it justified, I still say Croc is a fun game. I wasn't allowed consoles as a kid, so Croc is the 3D platformer of my childhood. Although, I originally got the GBC version while my friend had the PC version, and at some point we let each other borrow the other version to see how they were different and somehow that became permanent. No consoles is also why Commander Keen is my childhood 2D platformer. al-azad posted:Turner renamed it The Thing for the colorized and VHS home releases and it's probably how most people today remember the 1951 original. Huh. I've never seen that, all the DVDs I've seen use "The Thing from Another World." Quick search found a couple examples though:   Anyway, I tried moving to Quakespasm-spiked from Quakespasm (particles are the thing I missed most moving from Darkplaces), and I replaced all the QS files with QS-S, but when I try to start a new game it brings up the console, with no errors, and won't actually launch anything. The last thing in the console is about demo files, and that's from startup. Am I missing something obvious? Anyone else had issues with getting it running?
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Aug 4, 2020 20:23
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Aug 4, 2020 20:24
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Brief detour about Croc and Mario 64 - I replayed mario 64 a year or so ago and was struck by how few challenges in the game are actually timed. Its like they knew that navigating in a 3d space was imperfect at best (although Mario 64, camera notwithstanding, has better controls than 90% of titles from that). There's a massive mario 64 modding community and they do spectacular things. But they're all full of absolutely demonic platform replacement or ludicrously timed wall kicks. Like I appreciate the effort, but its pretty clear the series was never meant to get that challenging. The mechanics simply don't hold up.
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Aug 4, 2020 20:25
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The Kins posted:QuakeCon sales are on at Steam, GOG, and probably everywhere else too. Doom Eternal in particular is half-price, which seems pertinent given the recent discussion. Things are also on sale on the 3 consoles. It’s pretty funny that nothing Quake related is on sale other than GOG. Why the gently caress can’t we get modern ports.
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Aug 4, 2020 20:38
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SeANMcBAY posted:Things are also on sale on the 3 consoles. It’s pretty funny that nothing Quake related is on sale other than GOG. Why the gently caress can’t we get modern ports. Quake was a traumatic event within id where two different games were awkwardly jammed together and rushed out the door after years of wrestling with the tech and bad internal politics, and everyone was a little surprised that it was as big a hit as it was. As time rolled on, I don't think id really knew what to do with it. The main contributor to VkQuake works for id, and I'd like to think that's a bellwether of future plans. But after a quarter of a century, all we've gotten is a couple of mission packs, MachineGames's "fifth episode" from a few years back, and the grab bag of multiplayer-only fun that is Quake III Arena and its sequels. I'm not holding my breath.
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Aug 4, 2020 20:46
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The Kins posted:Does pressing ESC bring up the menu? What about typing "map start" into the console? Esc does bring up the menu, and "map start" does load up the start map and it does allow me to go into the episodes. It appears that it's the "new game" option that's not working.
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Aug 4, 2020 20:50
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Pyrolocutus posted:excellent advice 
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Hasturtium posted:Quake was a traumatic event within id where two different games were awkwardly jammed together and rushed out the door after years of wrestling with the tech and bad internal politics, and everyone was a little surprised that it was as big a hit as it was. As time rolled on, I don't think id really knew what to do with it. The main contributor to VkQuake works for id, and I'd like to think that's a bellwether of future plans. But after a quarter of a century, all we've gotten is a couple of mission packs, MachineGames's "fifth episode" from a few years back, and the grab bag of multiplayer-only fun that is Quake III Arena and its sequels. I'm not holding my breath. That’s interesting with how well it turned out. I’ve only finished episode 1 and the level design is great. Is Quake Live not free everywhere now or is it just Steam?
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Aug 4, 2020 21:04
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Quake live is not free on Steam but I have it in my library for some reason, I never bought it but I did play it many years ago.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:09
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Kamrat posted:Quake live is not free on Steam but I have it in my library for some reason, I never bought it but I did play it many years ago. I think it went through a free-to-play phase at one point so if you played it then it stuck in your library.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:34
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Restrained Crown Posse posted:If you're using Fresh Supply, go to Made To Order mode and turn up the number of enemies but turn down their accuracy / reaction times. ended up doing this, cranking the number of enemies up and leaving everything else medium. having a lot more fun, not being instantly sniped but still having a fair challenge. gotta say the tnt is one of my fave FPS weapons now, it feels so good is there a reason the shotgun takes several knockdowns to kill a zombie? am I doing something wrong
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Aug 4, 2020 21:35
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Overwatch Porn posted:ended up doing this, cranking the number of enemies up and leaving everything else medium. having a lot more fun, not being instantly sniped but still having a fair challenge. gotta say the tnt is one of my fave FPS weapons now, it feels so good Zombies always have a chance to pop back up, unless killed by fire or explosives. You can dispatch zombies fairly easy with the pitchfork, you just need to dance with them for a bit. They're slow enough that you should prioritise them last for most encounters, if you can't spare the TNT. E: When they go AAAARGH instead of UUUUGH, you're golden.
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Cat Mattress posted:I think it went through a free-to-play phase at one point so if you played it then it stuck in your library. I played it back then but through a browser I think.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:58
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I'll admit I don't have much love for Blood but the sound design is probably the best of that era. If I were ranking sound effects in FPS games: 1. Octobrain, rattles yo soul 2. Cultists breaking their fake-latin shtick to scream IT BURNS IT BURNS 3. Zombie AAAAUUUGH 4. Mancubus' cute MRRRRREOW 5. All the headcrab noises 6. Halo Elite's getting frustrated like a Twitch streamer playing CoD 7. Deus Ex enemy poisoned "uh huh uh huh GOD drat uh huh uh *death gurgle*" 8. Turok death gurgle 9. Disciple of D'Sparil's backwards chanting 10. MEIN LEBEN!
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Speaking of sound effects, I picked up Doom 64 on Switch today, and I prefer the gun sound effects in it to Doom 1 and 2. Not that those sound effects are bad but everything is much punchier in 64.
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Aug 4, 2020 22:08
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Everyone knows that Visor going "ha ha ha yeah" is the uncontested best fps sound ever
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The best FPS sound is the Quake/Doom rocket explosion (they're the same, right?) but honorable mention has to go to the grunt birthday party headshot
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For your consideration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1fUwKMdAI
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al-azad posted:I'll admit I don't have much love for Blood but the sound design is probably the best of that era. If I were ranking sound effects in FPS games:
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Gun sound design is such an important detail that a lot of more modern FPS games gently caress up. I hate how weak a lot of the weapons sound in Halo and COD. Battlefield is usually pretty good though.
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I can't tell if "I live... Again" is better than "My pet... You'll pay" or not
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Cat Mattress posted:I think it went through a free-to-play phase at one point so if you played it then it stuck in your library. So they just gave it to everyone that played it, seems weird, didn't they have a system to know who spent money on the game and who didn't? I'm glad to have it but I can't imagine many people play it nowadays, especially since it's not free any more.
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Overwatch Porn posted:ended up doing this, cranking the number of enemies up and leaving everything else medium. having a lot more fun, not being instantly sniped but still having a fair challenge. gotta say the tnt is one of my fave FPS weapons now, it feels so good Secondary fire with both barrels at close range will nearly always kill one. I wouldn't use a single shotgun blast unless you're dealing with a bunch of enemies at once and need to buy yourself a little time, and that's never the best option. Flares and TNT are the best lower-level options for zombies; the big guns are usually a waste of harder to find ammo unless you're taking out a bunch at once. The Pitchfork Poke is fine for individual zombies once you've gotten the hang of darting forward and back and timing your attacks. haveblue posted:The best FPS sound is the Quake/Doom rocket explosion (they're the same, right?) but honorable mention has to go to the grunt birthday party headshot They're not the same sound effect, Quake's is longer and beefier on the low end. But you'll never hear me complain about the grunt birthday party headshot. Obligatory reminder that The Fortress of Dr. Radiaki is a thing that exists and cannot be undone.
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Kamrat posted:So they just gave it to everyone that played it, seems weird, didn't they have a system to know who spent money on the game and who didn't? I wonder if more people just play Quake 3 at this point instead.
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SeANMcBAY posted:I wonder if more people just play Quake 3 at this point instead. They also unceremoniously discontinued the Linux and macOS ports of Quake Live a few years after its introduction, so I'd kinda hope they've all jumped to ioQuake3 instead.
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There are so many iconic sound effects... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2DRWL_swBg
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