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Yeah I figured she used a bit of the key's creation power to do this. But she MIGHT also have used Dave DNA? Could go either way.
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Demiurge4 posted:Yeah I'm on board with thinking that her new body is still technically a vessel and she'll be able to reform in the void and keep her identity if she dies. No clue if she's able to easily re-form a new flesh body though. GLORY TO THE NEW FLESH! Algid posted:If the wheel must be broken, then let it be broken. Please, do go on. 
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In the depths of the desert, Oppenheimer achieves self-actualization when he finally finds a way to unite his role as a scientist with his deep desire to become a glassblower
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Aug 5, 2020 15:55
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ThaumPenguin posted:In the depths of the desert, Oppenheimer achieves self-actualization when he finally finds a way to unite his role as a scientist with his deep desire to become a glassblower lmao
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Aug 5, 2020 16:03
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I mean it could be both But why should it be? What's the point of going into a weird nitty-gritty genetics thing when there's already a different precedent that doesn't clash with the much more straightforward and thematically consistent reading? What's the point of bringing in the key when Royalty means she can do it on her own? To me, all that reading does is undercut what she did and muddy the thematic waters.
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Aug 5, 2020 16:56
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Tendales posted:I kind of hope they don't. White Chain is the only angel we've seen that has a specifically human self-image. Maybe Juggs, too. The rest of the angels? If they start deciding to incarnate in the flesh the comic's going to turn into a spinoff of Andrew Hussie's old Humanimals comics. I hope vigilant gaze joins the flesh team and gets to become a big happy cow 
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Aug 5, 2020 16:57
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Dr Subterfuge posted:But why should it be? What's the point of going into a weird nitty-gritty genetics thing when there's already a different precedent that doesn't clash with the much more straightforward and thematically consistent reading? What's the point of bringing in the key when Royalty means she can do it on her own? To me, all that reading does is undercut what she did and muddy the thematic waters. Because then it introduces the element of her literally being Solomon Dave's daughter, which could be interesting to deal with.
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Aug 5, 2020 17:01
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Because then it introduces the element of her literally being Solomon Dave's daughter, which could be interesting to deal with. Undercutting White Chain's climactic moment so she can more effectively pull at SD's heartstrings does not sound like a good trade-off to me. Dr Subterfuge fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Aug 5, 2020 17:17
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Undercutting White Chain's climactic moment so she can more effectively pull at SD's heartstrings does not sound like a good trade-off to me. The Diamond Paternum who only bears sons, after losing his original daughters millennia ago, could potentially shatter from being forcibly reminded of them.
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Aug 5, 2020 17:33
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If anything, I’d figure Solomon is about to be royally pissed at someone taking on (what appears to be) his likeness in a feminine form. Especially when it’s in the public venue of his empire. Remember, he very deliberately worked to ensure that he never had any daughters; he seems more the type to see the new White Chain as a mockery of him and his works, rather than being the turning point to get him to start softening up. He’s probably about to do something that shatters the view of being a “harsh, but just” indomitable and infallible ruler to his people.
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Red Bones posted:I hope vigilant gaze joins the flesh team and gets to become a big happy cow Glory to the new flesh.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Diamond Paternum who only bears sons, after losing his original daughters millennia ago, could potentially shatter from being forcibly reminded of them. Solly D's rings are probably going to be clattering to the ground next update. He has already lost, and he hasn't even seen what she looks like.
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Aug 5, 2020 17:58
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Undercutting White Chain's climactic moment so she can more effectively pull at SD's heartstrings does not sound like a good trade-off to me. Why would it undercut anything? It could be both things. It's all just speculation anyway until we see where Abaddon takes it.
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Aug 5, 2020 18:12
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noooo you cant just substantiate in human form through nebulous interactions of will and soul after five years of narrative establishing that inherent truth is a fake idea, its wish fulfilmenterino haha white chain go hhhhhhh
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paranoid randroid posted:noooo you cant just substantiate in human form through nebulous interactions of will and soul after five years of narrative establishing that inherent truth is a fake idea, its wish fulfilmenterino 
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Aug 5, 2020 18:49
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Undercutting White Chain's climactic moment so she can more effectively pull at SD's heartstrings does not sound like a good trade-off to me. At least he'll finally have offspring that doesn't disappoint him, sort of
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RBA Starblade posted:At least he'll finally have offspring that doesn't disappoint him, sort of I don't think this is possible*. To not disappoint Salami, an offspring would have to be his dead daughter. * 
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Omobono posted:I don't think this is possible*. Now I'm thinking about that time Salamiman Dave's sons wanted to stop for McDonald's.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Why would it undercut anything? It could be both things. It's all just speculation anyway until we see where Abaddon takes it. Like I said earlier, the whole point of White Chain's transformation is its symbolic meaning. Both her shell and SD represent a tyranny of order that she has realized must be opposed for anything to ever change. Upon that revelation, she resolved to never submit to that order again. And in her moment of enlightenment, her resolve allowed her to transcend the limits imposed by that tyranny and become something new. She shed her shell, the symbol of her oppression. The idea that she incorporated some part of Solomon David, who symbolizes the oppression she is fighting on a broad scale, suggests that she could not do what she did without the power of the oppressive system, or that she still has doubts about who she is, or probably other things I'm missing. All of which is problematic for an otherwise optimistic and triumphant trans allegory. And I feel like the comic has made it pretty clear that Royalty lets you do whatever the gently caress you want if you do it right, and what she did was Pretty drat Cool, so saying that power also came from somewhere else also takes away from her accomplishment. It's also just annoying that people are saying that two Black people, whose only resemblance is that they are Black and Buff, are related.
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eke out posted:'master' is literally a gendered title my dude lmao Straight White Shark posted:no no, clearly he's just acknowledging that she has completed the journeyman stage of her angelship Joe Slowboat posted:I think 'older and more settled individual who nonetheless will support a more radical program because they see it as time for new ideas to be tried, or out of faith in the younger and more radical' is a good archetype, and not really one we see that often. It's good to be able to let other people take the lead, and advise them without trying to shape them, and that appears to be Vigilant Gaze's character development. E: I am honestly baffled as to how people can see one character walk up to another and say, "Remember the original meaning of our creed. I had almost forgotten myself, but you reminded me of the good that I once took pride in. Keep it up." and interpret that as, "he wants to mentor her revolution to sweep aside the old ways." akulanization posted:Devils are not in fact real, and stories reflect our own world far more than they embody a perfect expression of their own “lore.” Cio is avoiding her past as Yabalcoath, which is the exact opposite of dealing with it. She's back to saying she's a domestic woman who doesn't want to hurt anyone, which, if you'll recall, was also her position just before she let Allison pressure her into breaking into Yre and then attempting to gut Allison like a fish when Cio felt abandoned. Now, this could provide an opportunity for growth, because both Allison and Cio realized in Yre that there are parts of them which are capable of truly terrible things, but as far as we the audience can tell, they've literally never discussed it and barely even talk when they aren't having sex. Cio also is straight back on hurting people with flying paper soldiers in a death match when Allison asks for her help, and uses her moment with Allison to talk exclusively about how she's been a bad girlfriend. Which is also true, but is definitely the smaller of the two elephants in the room. pseudorandom name posted:those assholes were already offended by her, gently caress them, increment their numbers  "Oh, the millennia-old literal law golems didn't immediately accept it when one of their number wanted to deviate from the norm? Death penalty." What is wrong with you?
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Dead Reckoning posted:
Killing an angel is the equivalent of a forced vacation, so settle down, Beavis.
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I’m only going to respond to one bit that I think really stands out: Millennia old law golems who have literally let the world slide into absolute ruin in the name of that law and who are currently splitting between genocidal fascists and people who support the monstrous regimes of the demiurges because they’re the authorities. So, yeah, if they try to stop the world from changing, they can gently caress off. That’s literally the entire theme of the story, that stagnation both can and must end, and the assumption that nothing can be done to improve the world is an excuse made to avoid trying to improve the world. Cut without concern for victory or defeat; act with detachment from the fruits of your action but with absolute purpose. E: and Vigilant Gaze literally says White Chain is a miracle and a new thing that fulfills the promise of the angelic orders, by reference to their religious commandments from the dawn of time. Plenty of revolutionaries have referenced golden ages, what matters is that he’s explicitly open to something new which he does not understand. I don’t know how that miracle speech could have been more clear, especially with a literal visible miracle occurring on the page. Maybe you just don’t actually like the themes of this comic? Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Managing to simultaneously hold the ideas that "it is cool and good that White Chain finally stood up to Dave's conformity-at-all-costs regime which brutalized anyone who thought things could be different" and "all angels who weren't already on board with White Chain's program deserve to be punched back to the void" is some next-level dissonance.
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Dead Reckoning posted:This whole book has been a giant martial arts punch-up, a field which in English has imported the titles from skilled trade guilds. Which is why White Chain backhands Allison for not addressing her as "Master." So yes, he's literally acknowledging her as a master martial artist after she hits him with a magnificent new attack. Did you not get that White Chain has a different relationship to Allison than she does to Solomon and somehow also miss that her pronouns have changed since the page you linked? quote:If you think the literal rapacious monsters that feed on human life force from the comic are a stand-in for modern social dynamics in real life, I feel like that says more about your reading than mine. Cio’s rant in the last book about pretending to be a harmless author not really being her is clearly framed as wrong, and tragic. Allison literally saves her book and her glasses and reaffirms her identity when she loses herself later. You just don’t know how to read. Yre wasn’t about them learning that they could do terrible things but both of them pointedly rejecting being a person who does terrible things because they “have to” they don’t have to and that’s the point. Which blows your essentialism out of the water. Cio is also clearly stated in this book to be happy with pedestrian domesticity, which again your devils as rapacious monsters does not allow. Her quiet domestic life is also not something she had before as a brothel manager for her abusive ex. Also all violence is not equivalent, and self defense or defense of a loved one doesn’t require moral justification.
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Looking forward to the next update to Perfect Kill this discussion tbh
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When fiction doesn't give you what you want, That is when you go make fanfiction. so Go on and fly! Make that Cio is a parasite and Angels are incapable of change version of KSBD you always wanted!
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Dead Reckoning posted:This also fixes her gender dysphoria. See where the writing goes sideways? Having the fairy god-father just magic a solution to her other major conflict flattens her character: rather than having to grow and find a way to reconcile her life as an angel with her identity, magic wish fulfillment just deletes the whole question and gives her the solution she wanted from the start without any effort or development on her part. 
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Twibbit posted:When fiction doesn't give you what you want, That is when you go make fanfiction. so Go on and fly! Make that Cio is a parasite and Angels are incapable of change version of KSBD you always wanted! Unironically this, don’t write your fanfic as arguments on a forum, just write it. Be like Cio! Cio writes fanfic, and that’s great (and is going to make the historical record hilariously unreliable according to a below-comic text from a while back). Also good job on ‘if you defend yourself from the Thorns you’re really as bad as the Thorns’ those are the kind of hot takes the discussion of Royalty never delivers Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Joe Slowboat posted:Also good job on ‘if you defend yourself from the Thorns you’re really as bad as the Thorns’ those are the kind of hot takes the discussion of Royalty never delivers "So much for the tolerant petal knights!"
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Who What Now posted:"So much for the tolerant petal knights!" They want to kill you too, just stylishly.
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GunnerJ posted:Looking forward to the next update to Perfect Kill this discussion tbh
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GunnerJ posted:Looking forward to the next update to Perfect Kill this discussion tbh Total Post Obliteration
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What page was this how do I not even remember seeing this Did I end up missing a chapter some how
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Empty Palm Slams the VHS
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SniperWoreConverse posted:What page was this how do I not even remember seeing this it’s right after the sex fake out and right before they bang on screen
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SniperWoreConverse posted:What page was this how do I not even remember seeing this Pretty sure that's from the beginning of this book, when Alice and co. were living together in Throne.
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SniperWoreConverse posted:What page was this how do I not even remember seeing this https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-4-38/
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Aug 5, 2020 23:42
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It's pretty cool that a webcomic about magical kung fu girls can elicit what are basically theological arguments.
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