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The big guys though that the usual tricks of bribery and cajouling still work on far right countries, because thats what always worked. except orban stays in power because he spitefully oposes the eu, its values, and its leaders.the fact that that may harm the economy of hungary is absolutely secondary. And poland will get a slap on the wrist at best, its a vital and fundamental part of the german supply chain, its not going anywhere.
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I mean there was never any interest in the European people's party to do anything about Orban. It's not like he is a socialist.
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He is doing slightly interventionist economic policy tho 😱
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https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1287005134560559104 isnt Fdl literal mussolini-level fascists? lega and Fdl getting a majority seems very bad lol
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1287005134560559104 FdI has actual Mussolini descendants in there. They have been ineffectual until now but since a non-negligible amount of protest voters want to move away from m5s, there is a serious threat those voters are going to jump right
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woah turns out m5s’s strategy of not having an ideology didn’t work
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America's down like 30% so that's pretty good lol
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mobby_6kl posted:America's down like 30% so that's pretty good lol What a pessimistic view. America is 70% full.
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Griefor posted:What a pessimistic view. America is 70% full. can't accept refugees so close to capacity
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mobby_6kl posted:America's down like 30% so that's pretty good lol The American number is an annual estimate, the quarterly fall was also 10% or so
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lmao monarchies https://www.politico.eu/article/spains-former-king-juan-carlos-leaving-country-amid-corruption-scandal/
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Aug 4, 2020 06:59
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Been a while since a European monarch has gone into exile.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/spain-carlos-exile-391610 a really interesting article about the situation
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As if more proof was needed, the bolsheviks did nothing wrong (at least as far as the tsar was concerned).
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twoday posted:The American number is an annual estimate, the quarterly fall was also 10% or so It is probably due to the fact that Belgium in general had a far more severe lockdown than the US, but then the US kind of just it keep ongoing indefinitely.
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LGBT activists are getting repressed in Poland. Some cool zone stuff popping off in Warsaw yesterday. Today there was a peaceful manifestation in Cracow and more to happen in other cities
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Interesting thread about Lega Nord going back into its separatist roots if Salvini is sacked https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297640734451933184 https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297642154055962625 https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297643808029466624 https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297644998452633600 https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297645982742503425 https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297648656292515840 lol if Lega is facing an identity crisis the same way 5 Star did Zaia, the Venetian regionalist who might replace Salvini: https://twitter.com/DrAlbertazziUK/status/1297293077271515143 Maximo Roboto has issued a correction as of 00:02 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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Honestly, the recent lack of separatism is what made LN a viable party, moving back to the old northern-only roots would make it a joke(again). I'm seeing Zaia going for a economy based policy that limits the money flow to the south(feasable) rather than removing the south altogether(political suicide).
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I just want to drive-by note that (see the poll posted in that thread) The 5stars have been going steadily down as Lega has been going up; then when when Lega started going down, the 5stars remained steady, while FDI went up. So basically the transfer of votes was mild right -> right -> far right. Once I said to a 5star voter that they were basically handing the country to fascists, and they laughed in my face. Well they sure as hell ain't laughing now. (And neither am I.)
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anyone have an idea why eu has done this deranged messaging shift where now nazism and communism are put on the same level? https://twitter.com/EUCouncil/status/1297449748878647297
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mortons stork posted:anyone have an idea why eu has done this deranged messaging shift where now nazism and communism are put on the same level? Err it's perfectly clear... They have created a day to remember people killed by far-right and far-left totalitarian regimes. They are not stating that communism is bad per se, they are stating that Stalin(and the government structure he created along with his puppet states) killed a shitload of people and some of the EU members in the east have still living people whose loved ones were killed by that regime. SlowBloke has issued a correction as of 18:06 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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it is absolutely an equiparation, or they'd have separate days E: the intent is clearly conflation of nazism and communism, as detailed here https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/european-identity-and-paradox-anti-communism/ the question: why though mortons stork has issued a correction as of 18:20 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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mortons stork posted:it is absolutely an equiparation, or they'd have separate days I know it might be hard to grasp but this is not a race to see who's better or worse(if you had a family member gunned down by nazis or thrown into a chasm by tito's partizans you won't care about the political spectrum and ideologies, it's a lost soul you won't ever see again), it's clearly a day to make sure the dead are not forgotten and hopeful to have the younger generations see the error in despotic regimes. Also there are too loving many national days, unless you plan to start adding days to the calendar you cannot have a national day for every single item.
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your argument about having too many days holds no water on its face and merits no further consideration. as regards the other, the explicit goal of the resolution was to conflate nazism and communism. see portrayal in our media, for instance, or the article i linked above https://www.repubblica.it/politica/2019/09/22/news/comunismo_nazismo_parlamento_europeo_risoluzione-236628451/
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I think it's fair to say that you shouldn't really conflate anything else with nazism. Conflating stalinism with nazism is an example of obvious anti left pamphleteering. Why? Because no one else was as bad as the nazis. No really no one else has been that bad. Not even the British empire, and those motherfuckers wrote the book on being evil ethnic cleansing motherfuckers.
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mortons stork posted:anyone have an idea why eu has done this deranged messaging shift where now nazism and communism are put on the same level? because they're rabid anticommunists SlowBloke posted:I know it might be hard to grasp but this is not a race to see who's better or worse(if you had a family member gunned down by nazis or thrown into a chasm by tito's partizans you won't care about the political spectrum and ideologies, it's a lost soul you won't ever see again), it's clearly a day to make sure the dead are not forgotten and hopeful to have the younger generations see the error in despotic regimes. Also there are too loving many national days, unless you plan to start adding days to the calendar you cannot have a national day for every single item. it has nothing to do with "seeing the error of despotic regimes" or whatever they're blathering about, it's about equalizing the people who built auschwitz and the people who liberated auschwitz
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Doctor Jeep posted:because they're rabid anticommunists 
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Doctor Jeep posted:because they're rabid anticommunists it's perfectly possible to approve of the Soviets crushing Nazis while also be critical of the utter bloodbath than Stalin engineered across Eurasia, you know
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mortons stork posted:anyone have an idea why eu has done this deranged messaging shift where now nazism and communism are put on the same level? Because EU includes lots of eastern european countries. And eastern european countries had lots of their people killed by communists. And now they have a memorial day for the victims of totalitarian states.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:it's perfectly possible to approve of the Soviets crushing Nazis while also be critical of the utter bloodbath than Stalin engineered across Eurasia, you know yes it is, and this isn't it
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As someone who frequently works with(and votes for) a communist party I have no problema at all with the existence of a day of remembrance for the victims of communist regimes across Europe. However both the framing and execution in this specific instance are just another attempt to obfuscate and simplify history, amplifying generic anti-left soundbytes, trying to conflate valid talking points in today’s climate with a generic manisfestation of evil (the nazis they refer to are the cartoon evil version, not the history ones who share a bunch of their ideology with many current leaders).
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Pope Hilarius II posted:it's perfectly possible to approve of the Soviets crushing Nazis while also be critical of the utter bloodbath than Stalin engineered across Eurasia, you know I dedicate tomorrow as an official "day of remembrance" for the twin scourge of this post, and the Armenian genocide.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:it's perfectly possible to approve of the Soviets crushing Nazis while also be critical of the utter bloodbath than Stalin engineered across Eurasia, you know the Victims of Communism people are ardent anti-communists, and it is a form of anti-communist rhetoric, and a form of Holocaust denialism, to conflate or compare Nazi crimes against humanity to what happened under the Soviet Union. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ ___ Other content: https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1295244253912850432 https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1297983533403836416 https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1298088642183925760
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the heat goes wrong posted:Because EU includes lots of eastern european countries. And eastern european countries had lots of their people killed by communists. And now they have a memorial day for the victims of totalitarian states. why do they have to celebrate nazi victims and communist victims together, then if the objective is not to conflate the two things, which also refer to very different historical realities (warsaw pact lasted 50 years, nazis were openly genocidal as opposed to communist repression and so on) gradenko_2000 posted:
i think this thread is a little too defensive of lukashenko. he has lost a lot of his base of support, esp the unions who are now going on strike against him, and he is still ultimately warden of a capitalist order, however tamed. however, that said, it looks like belarus is about to get cannibalized by neoliberal hell capitalism either way. opposition programs are universally of the neoliberal, privatize and steal everything not nailed down kind. part of the opposition is financed by russian capital, the others by western capital, there's even a rising business class that wants its own interests to be reflected in policy. and if lukashenko wins, i think the retaliation isnt gonna look pretty. what im not seeing is the left part of the opposition. i think belarus might be hosed mortons stork has issued a correction as of 09:42 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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mortons stork posted:why do they have to celebrate nazi victims and communist victims together, then Because in the eyes of the local people, there isn't much difference between the two. Does it really matter under which totalitarian murder state your family members were tortured and murdered? mortons stork posted:which also refer to very different historical realities (warsaw pact lasted 50 years, nazis were openly genocidal as opposed to communist repression and so on) While the Soviet Unions occupation lasted 50 years, most of the mass killings happened under Stalins regime. After Stalins death, Hrutšov's melt and denouncing the Stalinism, the degree of violence dropped sharply. Under Stalin, you could got murdered because you didn't treat old newspaper paper respectfully enough. Versus in mid 1980s, you had to be amonge the leadership of the student movement to get involuntary committed to mental institution and recieve electroshock therapy. Looking at the numbers of the victims here, the communist occupation had over 75,000 victims(7,5% of population), who were murdered, imprisoned or forcefully deported to siberia here. During the German occupation 20,000 civilians murdered (around 8-9000 locals, and rest of them brought in from other places in Europe), and 15,000 prisoners of war.
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the heat goes wrong posted:Because in the eyes of the local people, there isn't much difference between the two. Does it really matter under which totalitarian murder state your family members were tortured and murdered? Very cool logic here. And very efficient. I suppose we can remember the victims of Nazism, Stalinism and the IDF next time?
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the heat goes wrong posted:
Look at this nazi apologist. hurf durf both sides gently caress you.
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