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Dr Subterfuge posted:Like I said earlier, the whole point of White Chain's transformation is its symbolic meaning. Both her shell and SD represent a tyranny of order that she has realized must be opposed for anything to ever change. Upon that revelation, she resolved to never submit to that order again. And in her moment of enlightenment, her resolve allowed her to transcend the limits imposed by that tyranny and become something new. She shed her shell, the symbol of her oppression. The idea that she incorporated some part of Solomon David, who symbolizes the oppression she is fighting on a broad scale, suggests that she could not do what she did without the power of the oppressive system, or that she still has doubts about who she is, or probably other things I'm missing. All of which is problematic for an otherwise optimistic and triumphant trans allegory. akulanization posted:Did you not get that White Chain has a different relationship to Allison than she does to Solomon and somehow also miss that her pronouns have changed since the page you linked? akulanization posted:Human beings have definitely never exploited or oppressed each other is a hell of a read. A hell of a stupid read, from an idiot. If Allison was shacked up with a human ex-slaver with homicidal tendencies, I would still think that would be something they should address. Cio wants to live a domestic life, but that isn't an option, because of who she is, and who Allison is. Which is why this chapter ends with her participating in a death match Allison entered herself into. She's now failed at being domestic and not hurting anyone for two consecutive books, which might lead a reasonable person to conclude that it isn't in the cards for her. She also explains that all of devil society is structured around getting access to human soul flames, which they feed on. So that seems like something she's going to need to address at some point. Joe Slowboat posted:Also good job on ‘if you defend yourself from the Thorns you’re really as bad as the Thorns’ those are the kind of hot takes the discussion of Royalty never delivers Shugojin posted:I'm pretty sure having every other angel but 10 vigilant gaze offended at her for being an abomination is gonna be downside enough pseudorandom name posted:those assholes were already offended by her, gently caress them, increment their numbers (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 6, 2020 02:37
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Reach heaven through shutting the gently caress up.
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Aug 6, 2020 03:09
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yes.. surely what we will learn in the coming pages is that all of White Chain's problems have been magically fixed
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Aug 6, 2020 03:17
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You are just insanely invested in proving that you absolutely and for certain know more about this universe and this story than the guy who is loving writing it.
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Aug 6, 2020 03:24
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can we just all stop engaging with dead reckoning and their complete, lifelong goal to never understand a work of fiction in their life
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Aug 6, 2020 03:29
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dead reckoning i dont know how to explain to you that white chain, a character established from her introduction as unusual for an angel in that she cherishes creation in a way uncommon for angels to the extent of maintaining a totally unnecessary apartment with equipment to make tea (a ritual that other angels are shown only indulging in as a form of mockery), is not "flattened" in any way by the latest update i think you may just lack basic reading comprehension
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Aug 6, 2020 03:39
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oh excuse me, that was coffee point destroyed, this isnt blood in my mouth its victory wine
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Aug 6, 2020 03:40
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specifically the point is that white chain cares for creation like a guardian while the other angels view it as a slightly distasteful job as a warden. recall the other angels in the void asking her "do you actually care? is that what you really want? to rot and to die?" what the update has shown is, yeah, she'll take rotting and dying over not really caring. humans, in the setting, are the only ones who only get one, temporary shot. devils can be rebound, angels go to the void to sulk, even servants are immortal. the demiurges cant be defeated by conventional means so why should they bother? normal humans? one go, time limited, for better or for worse. of course she incarnate as a human - who else is more likely to give a poo poo? everyone else persists either way. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 04:03
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Dead Reckoning posted:If White Chain is intended as a triumphant trans allegory, that actually makes flattening all of her problems into the same problem or generalized "oppression" worse. All of her dissatisfactions with her life, her role, and the world being connected to her dysphoria with her body, and fixing one automatically fixing the other, is not a great message. Because, for a lot of people, it's not the case. I have to ask, at this point: are you trans? If you are not, would you please shut the gently caress up about trans allegories? From my perspective as a trans person, you've functionally been equating HRT and GRS to "wish fullfillment" and it's really loving offensive.
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AND LETS TALK ABOUT THE ANGELS WHILE WE'RE AT IT if your essentialist reading is so cool and good, why do the knights concordant never come back after being slain? why do so many of them defect to the thorns or the petals? if angels are such a monolith why are the concordants falling apart where they stand. if angels are immutable chauvinists, why does vigilant gaze exist
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Aug 6, 2020 04:14
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jesus loving christ the literal tagline of this comic is god saying "i am a consummate liar" up your loving game
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paranoid randroid posted:AND LETS TALK ABOUT THE ANGELS WHILE WE'RE AT IT Yeah, anyone got the narrative dump that explains wtf angels are and why it is all the primes except 2 Michael have not reincarnated yet we have a universe littered with angels that have reincarnated numerous times already? Because I've never wrapped my head around that. Something like "these are the Primes, they have not reincarnated, and these are the not so primes, they idle faster. And there is White Chain who really needs to have her throttle checked" e. the primes, the reals, and the irrationals 
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Looking forward to seeing the text deviate from what Dead Reckoning thinks it should say, and DR then just saying it means what they said regardless of whatever path the comic takes.
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:I have to ask, at this point: are you trans? If you are not, would you please shut the gently caress up about trans allegories? From my perspective as a trans person, you've functionally been equating HRT and GRS to "wish fullfillment" and it's really loving offensive. Thank you
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the most telling thing about white chain is that she keeps reincarnating while so many of her brethren are lost to the void
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Bilirubin posted:Yeah, anyone got the narrative dump that explains wtf angels are and why it is all the primes except 2 Michael have not reincarnated yet we have a universe littered with angels that have reincarnated numerous times already? Because I've never wrapped my head around that. Something like "these are the Primes, they have not reincarnated, and these are the not so primes, they idle faster. And there is White Chain who really needs to have her throttle checked" My understanding of this is that the current round of angels, like your average bound devil, effectively date to the reign of Zoss: The demiurges made new ash armor and went to the angels out on the rim of the Wheel where there's an endless war between shapeless Black Flame devil-stuff and angels, or there was at one time, and offered those angels ash armor because they wanted some law boys to do the law. The Prime Angels were those mighty angels whom the gods housed in armor in Throne, and left as the watchers of their graves. None of them, apparently, ever died before Zoss happened to them, and one of them was the Metatron, the scribe at the right hand of God. What does that mean, if Yisun divided into two and then 777,777? Did Metatron watch the creation of the universe from outside while that was all going on? Or was Metatron created after YS and UN got it on, along with or by the later gods? All we know are stories and metaphysical claims, and that Metatron lives (but not by much, Zoss did a number). It's also unclear why all the non-Prime angels seem to have reincarnated multiple times - one could theorize a bunch but I don't know. This is like the situation with Servants: Common understanding is that humans and servants lived in Throne with the gods prior to being swept out into the worlds when Throne was emptied for the gods to do their big divine suicide pact, but then again, maybe they were created separately in different worlds. It's all legendary weirdness. History that can actually be meaningfully commented on begins with Zoss breaking into an empty heaven and smiting the ruin of the Prime Angels, and I guess it's possible he also smote all the lesser angels, but the primes were especially big? But nobody's ever mentioned him destroying lesser aeons, just the primes. I wouldn't be surprised if angels take longer to reincarnate the stronger they are in terms of their raw power, but that's never been stated. The Primes have slumbered some thousands of years, except 2 Michael, who woke up cranky. ...I wonder if 2 Michael gets flashbacks when he sees Allison throwing the mega-lightning-spear?
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Aug 6, 2020 05:56
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White Chains is trans and powerful and I hope she can drag her siblings kicking and screaming into a better era.
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I think that WC's superficial similarity to SD may be intentional, but I don't think because of some simple IRL physics reason like DNA. The setting has established pretty thoroughly that a gun and a sword are as deadly as their wielder, and I forget which poster pointed this out (sorry!) but the rules of K6BD are such that 'humans' are more baked into the setting than 'atoms.' What I mean is - WC's superficial semblance to SD is not likely because of his blood or whatever, but because SD was part of the crucible of her apotheosis. We are shaped by our history, and as much as SD sucks, this struggle was the path by which she became who she is. habeasdorkus posted:Looking forward to seeing the text deviate from what Dead Reckoning thinks it should say, and DR then just saying it means what they said regardless of whatever path the comic takes. I'm not!
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Joe Slowboat posted:All we know are stories and metaphysical claims, and that Metatron lives (but not by much, Zoss did a number). sure, but not a whole number
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metatron is full of owls
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GreyjoyBastard posted:sure, but not a whole number This is a drat good post and I wish I'd thought of it.
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Thyrork posted:I clicked out for a few days and come back to see my homage to FFXIV being used as the title?  Dead Reckoning posted:If White Chain is intended as a triumphant trans allegory, that actually makes flattening all of her problems into the same problem or generalized "oppression" worse. All of her dissatisfactions with her life, her role, and the world being connected to her dysphoria with her body, and fixing one automatically fixing the other, is not a great message. Because, for a lot of people, it's not the case. I'm not sure if this is a bit or what, but you are very aggressively defending a story that seems worse and more depressing than the story this thread is for, a webcomic called Kill Six Billion Demons. Nobody seems to be enjoying this song and dance. I'm not even convinced that you like it. Take some time away and when you come back don't use dysphoria as a rhetorical prop.
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paranoid randroid posted:metatron is full of owls Would you say Metatron needs a routine or a radical owlectomy
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habeasdorkus posted:Looking forward to seeing the text deviate from what Dead Reckoning thinks it should say, and DR then just saying it means what they said regardless of whatever path the comic takes. I'm looking forward to Cio telling Allison that you can't navigate by mindless dead reckoning, tha' wobblebrains, you have to think and then stares at the reader in the next panel.
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Aug 6, 2020 07:00
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pretty sure solomon dave is about to keel over dead. but maybe he will explode instead.
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Aug 6, 2020 07:22
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:pretty sure solomon dave is about to keel over dead. but maybe he will explode instead. if he explodes i hope he shouts "THE DIAMOND" as he goes
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:pretty sure solomon dave is about to keel over dead. but maybe he will explode instead. Maybe White Chain took a new body's worth of his blood to re-manifest or whatever we call it. That would be less than completely healthy for Davey boy.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:pretty sure solomon dave is about to keel over dead. but maybe he will explode instead. My moneys on giant, silhouetted blood spray
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Aug 6, 2020 10:03
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I don’t think the new state of being for angels is going to require literal human sacrifice.
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Aug 6, 2020 10:04
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JustaDamnFool posted:My moneys on giant, silhouetted blood spray I'm kinda hoping he will just fall apart like he had been sliced clean through in a singular cutting motion.
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Aug 6, 2020 10:18
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Solomon David is going to kill white chain from behind in a fit of rage within the next two pages, expose his whole smug benevolent ruler thing as a facade, lose tons of face/legitimacy in front of his subjects and vassals, and in the confusion gog agog is going to start gogging up the planet. Allison and co will make their escape during the chaos, there will be at least one multi-page spread of pursuers/rayuban military/gog zombies having a melee and it will be glorious. The crew will probably run into Maya on their way off world. White chain won't be coming back because she's 100% human now and humans are mortal. I know all of these things because I'm from the future. Edit: Allison will lose her eye on rayuba Contra fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 10:31
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It will turn out Alison simply had her eye closed in the future because of some bad conjunctivitis.
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Allison will be running to WC with scissors to give her a hair cut and put her eye out.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:White Chains is trans and powerful and I hope she can drag her siblings kicking and screaming into a better era. 
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Aug 6, 2020 11:27
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Does anyone here know any good let's reads of K6BD? My Google-fu is weak, so I cannot find any.
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Alitur posted:Does anyone here know any good let's reads of K6BD? My Google-fu is weak, so I cannot find any. This thread?
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