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OK so surely you can't get away with silently not declaring a decision and then trying to argue later that you totally decided, in your head, that you made it a creature? Like folks are saying players would do that, but that seems like it's unequivocally cheating/wrong. You did nothing to indicate it's a creature at the moment you had to, then it's not a loving creature, end of story.
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Leperflesh posted:OK so surely you can't get away with silently not declaring a decision and then trying to argue later that you totally decided, in your head, that you made it a creature? Like folks are saying players would do that, but that seems like it's unequivocally cheating/wrong. You did nothing to indicate it's a creature at the moment you had to, then it's not a loving creature, end of story. You're giving magic players way too much credit unfortunately.
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What about referees, though? I've never played at an event but I'm imagining how this would play out when the ref was called over.
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Aug 6, 2020 20:46
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Leperflesh posted:What about referees, though? I've never played at an event but I'm imagining how this would play out when the ref was called over. The issue is going to be people activating the land pre combat, someone targeting it with removal, and the active player going "hey i just said I was activating it I never *said* i was making it a creature!"
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Aug 6, 2020 20:48
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Yes, unless one indicated taking the choice you're assumed not to have done any may effects. So you're right, except that is about the point they just say they did point it out and it's now a he said she said, which, considering it's their permanent and it's more plausible you didn't hear than they are cheating, they'll probably win.
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Kurieg posted:The issue is going to be people activating the land pre combat, someone targeting it with removal, and the active player going "hey i just said I was activating it I never *said* i was making it a creature!" I see. I guess in that case I'd be on the side of the player who didn't announce they were choosing to do the thing, but also being strict about them not getting to later (or earlier) have recieved the benefit of the doubt about having chosen to do the thing without saying so explicitly. e. Yeah I guess there's just always some room for cheating. Maybe the game should have a special "is a creature now" marker you put on it so there's no question.
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Aug 6, 2020 20:51
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In paper play you shorthand so much stuff because it just makes the game flow faster, this is just a lovely case where people will attempt to use that as a gotcha
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If it's at all relevant and they are not being clear just ask them before acting. And ask them occasionally when it's not relevant, just to bluff some interaction.
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Probably 90% of the time you can just hold your removal until they declare it as an attacker e: Current tournament rules say that animated lands have to be in the nonland part of the board layout, at least at high levels Qwertycoatl fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 20:54
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In tabletop wargaming I've seen cases where one player is just hyper and ripping through actions without explaining poo poo. The worst is rolling a big handful of dice and immediately grabbing all the ones that were high enough before I get a chance to verify that every die they're picking up was really high enough; especially since the "proper" way to do that is to pull the not-high-enough dice and then let me look and verify that all the remaining dice were high-enough, that kind of thing. I tell my opponent to slow down so I can follow, excuse myself politely as a newb who just needs more help following the rules, and if that doesn't work after two or three times, it's time to just not play with that person any more. I know this game is time consuming but gently caress it, if your sense of urgency makes it impossible for me to tell if your'e cheating or not, then you're cheating. I... may not be temperamentally cut out for tournament play
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Aug 6, 2020 20:55
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This one doesn't seem that complicated does it? They have to tell you they're activating it and you can naturally ask them if they are making it a creature right at that point if they try to mumble through it. You don't have to do anything unprompted.
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Land that are creatures aren’t allowed to be with the land anymore as per the fix for dryad arbor. Because “take backs” are allowed at everything but pro rhel it’s basically up to whatever judge you are using at the time to decide. If it’s a land that will see play people are going to game their weak opponents with it full stop. Magic players can’t help themselves.
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resistentialism posted:This one doesn't seem that complicated does it? They have to tell you they're activating it and you can naturally ask them if they are making it a creature right at that point if they try to mumble through it. You don't have to do anything unprompted. I guess the argument is, if you're asking, it's a hint you have a removal card you're itching to use, so they immediately decide that why no, they had no intention of making it a creature this turn.
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Ya, but you can ask the question every time they do it, without it seeming unnaturally interested.
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resistentialism posted:This one doesn't seem that complicated does it? They have to tell you they're activating it and you can naturally ask them if they are making it a creature right at that point if they try to mumble through it. You don't have to do anything unprompted. That requires you understand the card in full. Players are going to miss or forget the may part as it’s fairy unique for mainlands which in themselves are pretty common. You argument applies to every gotcha in a card ever printed.
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I remember one time I was playing in a regular store tourney on a saturday with like, 10 people, not even FNM level. I attacked with my 3 1/1 flying spirit tokens, my opponent had woodfall primus and was tapped out. I went to play mirrorweave and they tried to block. Because I hadn't asked if they wanted to declare blockers when they couldn't possibly declare blockers. We were friends. This is tournament magic
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Aug 6, 2020 21:03
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Wezlar posted:I remember one time I was playing in a regular store tourney on a saturday with like, 10 people, not even FNM level. Wait, what happened?
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fadam posted:Wait, what happened? My guess is that the opponent would be in the right after a judge call.
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Oh, gotcha. But wait, if his creatures are tapped why does it matter?
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fadam posted:Oh, gotcha. But wait, if his creatures are tapped why does it matter? Sorry I meant his mana was tapped so he had no possible responses.
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Wezlar posted:Sorry I meant his mana was tapped so he had no possible responses. It’s my fault, I’m bad at reading. That makes more sense though.
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I bought myself a single double masters booster tonight for fun. Cyclonic Rift and Vexing Shusher! Feel pretty good about it! I went back 2 hours later to buy another and the store was totally sold out of Double Masters. I watched two guys open two boxes a piece, each of them sort of made their money back. I feel like I got a great return on my $16 investment but holy poo poo I couldn’t imagine opening a playset of Jace TMS and thinking “gently caress what am I supposed to do with these?”
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https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/46274/wizards-coast-says-acd-distribution-no-longer-optionquote:WIZARDS OF THE COAST SAYS ACD DISTRIBUTION 'NO LONGER AN OPTION' Wizards loving over their distributors owns
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I don't understand. As a company you need to keep doing business with another company, even if your contract is over? Maybe I'll seek out some more commentary on this since it seems at least it's not something you can do in Wisconsin, so probably not as clear cut as it sounds.
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Aug 7, 2020 05:26
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Per random Google hit it's illegal not to renew a supplier contract in Wisconsin without cause.
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odiv posted:I don't understand. As a company you need to keep doing business with another company, even if your contract is over? Some states have some old laws that try to be a speed bump for late stage capitalism. Considering it kept them in business for 2 extra years it can't be all that bad. Looks like this was one of those moves WOTC made to go with amazon.
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ACD's CEO is Bob Maher, they hosed up Dark Confidant again but this time they didn't even need to print new bad art.
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And Wisconsin's an at-will employment state too, eh? So you can choose to not renew an employee's contract for no reason, but you'd better not try that poo poo with another company. Edit: Oh drat, these shirts look pretty good: https://twitter.com/OriginalOestrus/status/1291573620972630021 odiv fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Aug 7, 2020 05:36
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odiv posted:And Wisconsin's an at-will employment state too, eh? So you can choose to not renew an employee's contract for no reason, but you'd better not try that poo poo with another company. I know that’s the original auratog art, but drat if that doesn’t look like a weird bootleg toy where they just slap random images and logos together.
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Aug 7, 2020 13:51
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That’s just what every t-shirt in the 90’s looked like
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Oh I love those classic booster ones
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The Ikoria Mythos ones highly tempt me, I had already ordered two prints of them from Seb's Kickstarter.
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Those are by Kohl's themselves? Might look for a UK/ European distributor for those Mythos shirts.
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So uhh thoughtseize coming to historic with the ahk masterpieces....
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also possibly Rest in Peace
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Koirhor posted:So uhh thoughtseize coming to historic with the ahk masterpieces.... Gonna need a source on that so people can start speculating on force of will and daze being in historic too.
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Cactrot posted:Gonna need a source on that so people can start speculating on force of will and daze being in historic too. they apparently already ruled out almost all of the invocations you would expect to not make it in
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A Moose posted:also possibly Rest in Peace RIP
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