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The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006
I don’t like many of Fee Bro’s bitters, but I like their Aztec Chocolate. Very viscous and strong though, literally one drop does it for me most times. The spice note isn’t as noticeable (no heat either)

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Fart Car '97
Jul 23, 2003

Scrappy's makes a chocolate bitters that just tastes like dry cacao. They're great.

Klauser
Feb 24, 2006
You got a dick with that problem!?!

Rotten Cookies posted:

What were your bad experiences with Astor? I also live on LI and was JUST considering an order with them

They don't seem to have a very sophisticated inventory system, or much of a customer service department.

On 2 separate occasions I had an item in my cart that was actually out of stock, and the order just sat after I placed it, and would have maybe sat forever, until I reached out. Took a while to even get a response and explanation.

If everything you order is in stock it goes off without a hitch though, and they ship fast.

Wine.com just seems like a much more professional operation. They ship fast too.

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


Looking for drinks similar to an amaretto sour. And/or sweet as balls and citrusy

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I

The Chad Jihad posted:

Looking for drinks similar to an amaretto sour. And/or sweet as balls and citrusy

I’ve become a real fan of the Masataka Swizzle:

1.5oz whiskey (recipe specifies Nikka 12yr)
.5 oz amaretto
.5oz lemon juice
1 tsp Demerara syrup

Build in a glass with crushed ice and swizzle. Top with more crushed ice and garnish with 3 dashes Peychaud’s bitters and a sprig of mint.

Personally, I like to just mix the bitters in with everything else, I like the flavor of it incorporated better.

Also, as a bonus, here is a drink that really impressed me lately, the Eastern Sour. It has a wonderfully balanced flavor, intriguing and never cloying:

2 oz rye whiskey
2.5oz orange juice
.75oz lemon juice
.25 oz orgeat
.25 oz simple syrup

Shake with crushed ice and dump into a rocks glass. Garnish with lemon and orange peels.

The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006
You would have to pay me to mix Nikka 12yr into a cocktail, let alone one like that

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Don't put anything 12 years old into a cocktail, at least not unless your father in law bought it.

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I
I guess y’all just ain’t ballin.

wormil
Sep 12, 2002

Hulk will smoke you!
Like cooking, I prefer to use the best ingredients I can afford. If I won't drink it neat then I won't use it in a cocktail. But with whisky there is a point where it doesn't get better, it just gets more expensive and that's probably true of other liquors.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

I love Bananardiers.

1 bourbon
1 sweet vermouth
0.5 campari
0.5 creme de banane

You're a madman.

Maybe a slim quarter of an ounce of Florentino (it's basically banana Galliano).

Okay now I have to try this

e: Trip report

30 mL Elijah Craig
30 mL Cocchi di Torino
20 mL cacao nib-infused Campari (why not)
10 mL Florentino

I like it, and it is interestingly complex, but the finish is terrible

eSports Chaebol fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Aug 7, 2020

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Lmao, this is the top google hit for Florentino


http://horriblepoisons.blogspot.com/2014/08/florentino-liqueur-my-personal-cross-to.html?m=1

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
I'm back on my Ouzo cocktail thing, since I tried one yesterday that I liked. It's called Ouzo Lemonade and it's 2oz Ouzo, 1+oz lemon juice, 1tsp honey, plus water, mint, ice and all that. My first attempt sucked because I added the honey after ice, which obviously kept it from incorporating. But when I stirred it in before the ice, it went fine.

My question is, if I wanted to make a big batch of this and keep it in the fridge, do I have to worry about the honey separating? Or would it probably all stay together as long as I got it right initially?

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008
Make a honey syrup, it will incorporate easier

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



If you dissolve the honey fully before refrigerating, you should be good to go with just a quick stir before serving.

I agree with honey syrup, I always nuke a tablespoon of water with whatever honey or jam I want to incorporate into drinks

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
Yeah I thought about honey syrup, but I like the bougie local stuff and would feel bad making any significant amount using that. I don't really have any other plans for honey-based cocktails and I'm only gonna need 6 tsp here.

But a little microwave action might not be a bad idea.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

Sir Lemming posted:

Yeah I thought about honey syrup, but I like the bougie local stuff and would feel bad making any significant amount using that. I don't really have any other plans for honey-based cocktails and I'm only gonna need 6 tsp here.

But a little microwave action might not be a bad idea.

I mean you specifically listed honey and water as ingredients in your drink. Just combine those two with heat so it dissolves better.

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007



:lmao:

quote:

This is an excellent breakfast drink. Some of the more moralistic may look askance at drinking in the morning, but they are chowderheads who have no grasp of how to create Joy in one's own life. They cast a shaming eye towards my post-breakfast Watermelon & Absinthe Blender Potion, yet these same hypocrites can often be found on Sundays bright and early guzzling down wine with their good-time buddies merely because it has been ordained 'The Blood Of Our Saviour'...

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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On the previous page's recommendation I've done a Negroni followed by a Boulevardier (both with orange bitters) and god drat do I prefer the latter.

The question is whether I should have used sweet vermouth instead of dry for the former.

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I

Data Graham posted:

On the previous page's recommendation I've done a Negroni followed by a Boulevardier (both with orange bitters) and god drat do I prefer the latter.

The question is whether I should have used sweet vermouth instead of dry for the former.

Yes, a negroni should be made with sweet vermouth.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Guess that explains why it was like Nyquil-red instead of Coca-Cola red lol

Welp, guess I know what #3 will be, if they ever hook my power back up (or if they don't)

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008
The negroni needs sweet vermouth to balance the bitter and astringent flavors. Did you also make the boulevardier with dry vermouth?

Like yeah, you removed the sweetener from the drink, left in the bitter and astringent elements, and then ADDED more bitters. At least it cured whatever Victorian wasting sickness you may have had.

Sandwich Anarchist fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Aug 7, 2020

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

eSports Chaebol posted:

You're a madman.

Maybe a slim quarter of an ounce of Florentino (it's basically banana Galliano).

Okay now I have to try this

e: Trip report

30 mL Elijah Craig
30 mL Cocchi di Torino
20 mL cacao nib-infused Campari (why not)
10 mL Florentino

I like it, and it is interestingly complex, but the finish is terrible

Don't use banana Galiano wth, you're adding herbal bitterness along with sweet. Is this the "make drinks with wrong specs and then say they are gross" thread now lol

Edit: sorry for the double post and aggression, didn't mean to come off so mad :(

Carillon
May 9, 2014






Yeah if you use dry vermouth and rye, you've made an old pal and not a negroni.

LionYeti
Oct 12, 2008


I'm so excited I found this, heres a cocktail I came up with a few weeks ago and really like
1.5 oz bourbon
3-4 sage leaves muddled with sugar
.5 oz juniper rose syrup (got it from an apothicary but I don't know how much if it effects the drink if you just have simple)
Half lemon
3 dashes ango

I think I might go to simple and add like .25 of amaro montanegro or something

Shake serve over ice. Its really quite nice and herbal. Sorta a modified mint julep.

LionYeti fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 7, 2020

CleverHans
Apr 25, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
This daiquiri I made with gin and sprite is loving terrible. You are all charlatans.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

LionYeti posted:

I'm so excited I found this, heres a cocktail I came up with a few weeks ago and really like
1.5 oz bourbon
3-4 sage leaves muddled with sugar
.5 oz juniper rose syrup (got it from an apothicary but I don't know how much if it effects the drink if you just have simple)
Half lemon
3 dashes ango

Shake serve over ice. Its really quite nice and herbal. Sorta a modified mint julep.

You should flame a sage leaf and garnish with it too

Carillon
May 9, 2014






field balm posted:

Y'all got any boulevadier recipes you really like? I'm thinking 2:1:1 ratio with either hogs 3 or makers. Don't have any time to get oranges before this evening, would a dash of Orange bitter be a bad idea?


The Maestro posted:

Classic 2:1:1 here. A dash of chocolate bitters to make it a Left Hand is my fave though. An Old Pal is nice too - Rye, dry vermouth, and Campari.

It’s just a really good base recipe - swap in whatever spirit, aromatized wine, and bitter, and it will probably be delicious. Get funky and do an Earl Grey tincture, or split bases/modifiers, whatever.

So thanks to these posts I did 2:1:1 and yeah it's delicious. Quite different my usual but I really like that difference. Thanks to you both.

The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006

Carillon posted:

So thanks to these posts I did 2:1:1 and yeah it's delicious. Quite different my usual but I really like that difference. Thanks to you both.

It is funny how a Negroni is 1:1:1 but a Boulevardier is accepted to be 2:1:1 (1.5:.75:.75 to be more specific). I would say it’s because a Negroni is (more of) an aperitif cocktail and a Boulevardier is (more of) a digestif cocktail, so boozier is preferred in the latter case. I don’t think it’s a balance issue - I would bet either one would taste great in either ratio. Anybody have more insight?

Anonymous Robot posted:

I guess y’all just ain’t ballin.

(Re: nikka 12 in a cocktail)

I guess...Japanese whisky of quality has been hard for me to find at a reasonable price, so I always hesitate to add any mixers aside from an ice cube. I don’t think I’ve had the Nikka 12 in particular, but the Japanese whisky I’ve had that’s cheap enough to mix with isn’t good enough neat, and I enjoy, say, Hakushu 12 so much that I hesitate to add even an ice cube.

It is one thing I hate about the cocktail books from fancier bars like Death and Co. I mean, it’s obvious that you get out what you put in - start with higher quality ingredients and you’ll have a higher quality finished product, all other variables equal. So yea, I’d love to make a cocktail with Yamazaki 18, but I’d really love to just loving get a bottle of Yamazaki 18 without jumping through allocation hoops and/or spending a few hundred dollars.

zmcnulty
Jul 26, 2003

Not that it detracts from anyone's points, but just to be clear the original recipe calls for Nikka Coffey Grain, so not even a malt whisky.
If this site is accurate, the PDT book calls for Taketsuru 12, which is a different whisky from Nikka 12.

...and none of the above are easy to find these days. You're putting amaretto etc in the stuff anyway, I can't imagine many would notice grain vs blend vs non-Japanese. It's a promotional cocktail designed to sell Nikka whisky from back in the days when Nikka didn't sell.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

Don't use banana Galiano wth, you're adding herbal bitterness along with sweet. Is this the "make drinks with wrong specs and then say they are gross" thread now lol

Edit: sorry for the double post and aggression, didn't mean to come off so mad :(

Counterpoint: the Wrong Negroni Sbagliato is actually a drink (which is a little bit gross imo)

Fart Car '97
Jul 23, 2003

Spagliato more like Spagliatowns, actually

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I
As far as Negroni chat goes, I have been really pleased using Roku gin in them. It has a strong pepper note that works well to cut the sweetness and tannins of the drink. 1/1/1 with some orange bitters is a perfect hot weather treat.

On the other hand, Aviation gin is really mild and boring.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Yeah, trying it with sweet vermouth makes it way more drinkable. I like.

BTW my gin shoutout for pure aromatics’ sake is Death’s Door.

The Rev
Jun 24, 2008
Bought a jar of Luxardo Cherries for the first time... How do you keep yourself from eating the whole jar?

Also are their any good uses for the syrup drink-recipe wise? Otherwise I have no objections to drizzling this stuff on top some vanilla ice cream and calling it a day.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

The Rev posted:

Bought a jar of Luxardo Cherries for the first time... How do you keep yourself from eating the whole jar?

Also are their any good uses for the syrup drink-recipe wise? Otherwise I have no objections to drizzling this stuff on top some vanilla ice cream and calling it a day.

You should leave the cherries submerged in syrup or they crystallize and get weird

The Rev
Jun 24, 2008

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

You should leave the cherries submerged in syrup or they crystallize and get weird

At the pace in which I am consuming the cherries that wont be a problem. Good to know though!

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Wanna eat those cherries.

Professor Wayne
Aug 27, 2008

So, Harvey, what became of the giant penny?

They actually let him keep it.
Licking the spoon or whatever you use to get the cherries out is a very important part of the garnishing process.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

The Rev posted:

Bought a jar of Luxardo Cherries for the first time... How do you keep yourself from eating the whole jar?
Just don't put the jar next to you. Eventually you will not be able to return to the jar, problem solved.

quote:

Also are their any good uses for the syrup drink-recipe wise? Otherwise I have no objections to drizzling this stuff on top some vanilla ice cream and calling it a day.
I like to make soda with maraschino cherry syrup. Goes well with lime. Casinos and Mary Pickfords are fun. I usually buy Lazzaroni maraschino and make my own.

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The Bandit
Aug 18, 2006

Westbound And Down

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

You should leave the cherries submerged in syrup or they crystallize and get weird

And don’t refrigerate them!

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