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Your assumption is that Trump cares about national security or people. Trump is going after TikTok not because of NS, its either Fox news said something in passing or he asked what is the biggest most hip with the younglings Chinese app out there to look tough, to be in control as events are outrunning him and everyone is cutting him out of the loop. NS is a coincidence. I wonder though, does Trump fear for his life without the shield of the presidency. Politicians want to stay in power. Trump is acting like he is about to be dragged out into the street and hung off a lamp post. TikTok needs to gently caress off, as you said there is much easier ways to kill it. If he ever really wanted to go after China, there are faster, better, more comprehensive ways assuming he wouldn't Trump the gently caress out of it. I don't know why MS wants to touch the poop. I get it in that its a fire sale and MS has no social media segment. There is zero political risk calculation. MS is sticking its head between two guns.
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I recall Microsoft being a significant Facebook shareholder last decade but it's indeed a very strange fit for a company that has essentially fled the consumer market outside of Surface and XBox.
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oohhboy posted:thats how I learned the only piece of music I can play: the beverly hills cop theme [/quote] I always forget which buttons respond to what letter. It's even worse on playstation. Which button is loving triangle 
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I thought of this thread yesterday. I live interior BC in a tourist town, some people I know said they were moving into a new rental, so I small talk them and it turns out it's on a farm, they are living in the top floor of a farmhouse, another tenant lives in the basement, and they also have to maintain something like 4+ acres of farmland. We keep talking then they say they're going to sublet? sections of the farm they're supposed to maintain (basement tenants have to maintain another area of the farm) to random people who want to use it for basically whatever, horses, other animals, gardens, I say are you sure you're allowed to do that it seems odd, what about any legal liability for you and if the landlord knows they're going to do that. They then tell me that the property manager was the one who suggested subletting it and the actual property owners live in mainland China. Anyways I had a good laugh was my first time running into buying areas of farmland in the wild because housing property in the lower mainland is getting harder to come by.
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Shumagorath posted:I recall Microsoft being a significant Facebook shareholder last decade but it's indeed a very strange fit for a company that has essentially fled the consumer market outside of Surface and XBox. Perhaps they are after some of that sweet sweet data.
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Weka posted:Perhaps they are after some of that sweet sweet data. https://twitter.com/petesweeneypro/status/1291155845078810624 well don't worry, based on the US statement it's OK for apps to do bad things as long they're not owned by a Chinese company lol. if bytedance did it its bad but MS, Google, Facebook, Apple, or any number of Russian datamining apps are A-OK. it is very weird they don't use this as an opportunity to give the US better privacy laws a la GDPR or something, but instead it's just a cheap ploy at China which is questionable on if/how it can even be enforced.
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Magna Kaser posted:https://twitter.com/petesweeneypro/status/1291155845078810624 yay the long-vaunted fragmentation is finally happening (ronpaul.gif) 
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are people itt seriously equating denying a fascist regime access to US markets to some sort of horrible totalitarian overreach? because if so lol
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They are equating Facebook and Google to the CCP as false equivalents. Beyond spying apps like TikTok has a Chinese propaganda push built into it. Anti-China, video disappears. Pro China? Algorithm pushes it up. Zoom is suspect af too.
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Fojar38 posted:are people itt seriously equating denying a fascist regime access to US markets to some sort of horrible totalitarian overreach? If it was consistent it would ban other regimes like KSA, Russia and *checks notes* itself. I'm being facetious, but the USA would do better to set a good example and ban surveillance outright, instead of playing tit-for-tat realpolitik games.
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I'd say that the genocidal dictatorship deserves to get hosed over at a higher level than those other countries
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Not So Fast posted:If it was consistent it would ban other regimes like KSA, Russia and *checks notes* itself. That's why I don't think much will come of this. It is just Trump having a pissbaby tantrum in relation to the CCP having it's piss baby tantrum, and both sides can/will claim victory. i.e. "we banned tiktik. That'll show those commie bastards", "Yeah? well we closed your embassy in Chengdu.* Take that western imperielists." "Yeah? well we are going to rename Chinese Checkers to Freedom Checkers. How d'ya like them apples?" etc and so on and so forth. Because both the CCP and Trump are thin skinned petty children. But nothing of real import will happen. *I know the Chengdu closure came before the tiktok ban. Allow me a little leeway to make a lovely analogy
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Well, unless a certain voting base decides to *gasp* compromise and actually vote this time for the least-worst candidate, we can count on this level of contractual blindness in the next Trump term.
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China, is America, but with Chinese characteristics. Did you know?
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I try to tell my Chinese friends that, in America, the government can simply ban major websites like TikTok. They can't believe! it How would anyone stand for such censorship? They just don't understand the occidental mind.
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BrigadierSensible posted:That's why I don't think much will come of this. No, this isn't a "Trump thing". When countries tic for tac its a controlled way to escalate. The Trump thing would be him proclaiming a ban thus is done. He probably wanted to drop nukes in the Middle East but they compromised by letting him drop a MOAB on some randos. Filter out Trump if you want to see what is really happening. Events have out ran him. tbf he couldn't outrun himself down a ramp. Pissbaby would be CCP threatening sanctions over "This is killing" or Trump "They are always unfair to me". There has been far stronger hammer blows that hasn't made the news like China losing access to chip design software or the newest equipment to make them. Huawei is stockpiling chips. Trump didn't do this, nor to realise the importance nor claimed credit. Hong Kong has nothing to do with him as the bills were pass with him a formality.
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Fojar38 posted:Someone managed to smuggle video out from the Xinjiang concentration camps tbh, expected this to make bigger waves. i saw zero coverage (though i have been limiting my news intake lately)
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LordArgh posted:I'd say that the genocidal dictatorship deserves to get hosed over at a higher level than those other countries KSA is currently conducting a physical, not just cultural genocide in Yemen, so i would say they deserve to get hosed over equally, if not more so.
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What is actually happening here? Is this some sort of USO-like but totally military based motivational team? My favorite part is the whole audience standing at the position of attention showing no reaction at all to this... entertainment?
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They're only twenty years behind YATTA
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Yeah Man posted:KSA is currently conducting a physical, not just cultural genocide in Yemen, so i would say they deserve to get hosed over equally, if not more so. Where did this meme of Cultural genocide come from?
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Yeah Man posted:KSA is currently conducting a physical, not just cultural genocide in Yemen, so i would say they deserve to get hosed over equally, if not more so. alright, gently caress those guys too
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The junk collector posted:Where did this meme of Cultural genocide come from? 1948, in the UN definition of genocide.
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Grand Fromage posted:1948, in the UN definition of genocide. Nah it was the literal inventor of the word, Raphael Lemkin, in 1944 in his book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe.
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Weka posted:Nah it was the literal inventor of the word, Raphael Lemkin, in 1944 in his book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe. I hadn't read that before, but yeah, you're right.
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Yeah no, I get that. My issue is that China's handling of the Uighur population isn't cultural genocide.U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide posted:any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: China has been proven to check more than half those boxes. This is straight up genocide plain as day. Calling it anything else is just muddying the waters.
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Grand Fromage posted:I hadn't read that before, but yeah, you're right. We can be right together.
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The junk collector posted:Yeah no, I get that. My issue is that China's handling of the Uighur population isn't cultural genocide. Cultural genocide is straight up genocide. That definition includes cultural genocide. I guess people would label what's happening to the Uighur population in China as cultural rather than physical genocide because it's incontrovertible.
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The junk collector posted:China has been proven to check more than half those boxes. This is straight up genocide plain as day. Calling it anything else is just muddying the waters. Every single one of those conditions has been met 100%. It's genocide, no ifs ands or buts. One condition already qualifies. When people say cultural genocide it implies there aren't pogroms, an attempt to soften the language. Tibet is certainly "cultural genocide" by literally demolishing the physical culture. Cultural genocide is the worse kind of hair splitting, some might be from ignorance than malice, educate first before blasting. It is still an intentional effort to annihilate a group via identity no different from genocide. The speed of destruction doesn't change that either.
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I think the choice of saying "Cultural Genocide" has to do with two things: 1. It isn't at the point of explicit extermination camps (yet), which is what many people consider to be Genocide. 2. The uncomfortable feeling of knowing that a genocide is happening, but we continue to do business with the perpetrators, so we say it's a cultural genocide to soften it and the resulting cognitive dissonance.
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https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1291552038455775233 Now Tencent is included which makes this way more wild since TikTok is much easier to get rid of. It's one app and one company, but Tencent has myriad stakes in other global companies, outright owning a couple of the largest game developers on the planet with large stakes in most of the rest--and that's before you leave games and just get into other tech. Curious about how people will react to this is since now a lot more people with a lot more money will care compared to when it was just Bytedance.
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can someone confirm it's tencent and not just wechat? e:the relevant bit 
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lmao if you think cultural genocide is a lesser form a genocide tho
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I got into a pointless Internet arguing session about the 27-years-in-prison-wrongly-accused-now-overturned case and I am annoyed at CNN Puff Piece about this. In short, a man was tortured by police and confessed to committing two murders in 1993. He gave two different confessions that described very obviously made up ways of committing the murder. 27 years later he is found innocent and is now released. You can say it's the topic of the day/week on Chinese Social Media recently. This is BBC’s reporting on this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53666557. Which I find more comforting because they sticked to the facts more than the CNN piece. This is the CCN link if you want to see: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/06/china/china-homicide-zhang-yuhuan-intl-hnk/index.html I follow a Chinese writer/reporter on social media. This is a conversation that happened after they posted this on their social media: This reporter interviewed one of the lawyers who represented the victim One of the interview questions was “Why is so rare to see the pursuit of holding related personnels accountable after unjust cases like this get overturned?” The lawyer’s answer was that “it’s because the victims does not want to pursue it.” He said (rough translation by me): “They finally had their freedom back and they’ve been excluded from the society for a long time. Even though they’re out now, they’re lost and they’re fearful. China is also a “acquaintance society” and people want to avoid trouble and bring about peace, therefore it is not hard to understand why there is a lack of pursuit of holding the responsible parties accountable. As an individual, the victim has no duty and no energy to consider the legal implications and significances of the pursuing justice. They need to keep their freedom & worry about their livelihood for the coming years in their live. The reporter was VERY MOVED that the lawyer had said this. They said they did not expect for the lawyer to answer this question from the victim’s perspective and it is so very moving. It is moving because they’ve found it very rare that someone speaks to what the victim wants / thinks and talks from their perspective. They then posted on their social media and many people seemed to wholeheartedly agree and are also very moved. I was pissed off. There are several reasons why I thought this was so naive and wrong. 1) Really I think what the lawyer was saying “we’re not looking for more trouble.” I completely understand why he would say something like that. He can’t just say “well it’s not like we can sue the party/government. I’ll get called a human rights lawyer and get tortured and my family will never see me again. My client might get thrown back in jail too. So we’re fine. We’re happy that he’s free now and let’s keep it that way and let’s just keep our head down.” 2) It is a complete mixed up concept. The Chinese word 追责 used in the question, its direct translation is “pursuit of accountability/responsibility”. But it has no subject. There is no clear definition of “who is seeking/pursuing the accountability/responsibility of whom”. So the lawyer conveniently took the question as “whether the victims of the unjust cases chooses to seek justice/accountability/responsibility of the related personnel”. Ironically, the victim has no power to pursue justice even if they wanted to. They can apply for monetary compensation, yes. But no personal/government division/power entities/torture practices will be held accountable. He has no power. So saying that someone who has no power “didn’t want the power anyways” is so funny to me. 3) Lots of people on Chinese social media are calling for investigations, reviews and promises to stop the interrogating methods / investigation practices / the lack of checks & balances in the legal system that had caused cases just like this. I am not so naive to think that the party will jump out and say “yes we were wrong. We’ll be better”. But let’s not wet our eyes because the lawyer of the victim is treating the victim like a basic human being who has rights and thoughts and emotions. (Or maybe we should be very moved and think on how “rare” it is, given that for 27 years of his life (and probably years before that being that he is Chinese), the victim has been not been treated as such. Anyhow, after I posted my comments, the reporter responded and said “I am just moved by the lawyer’s perspective. This reminds me that some domestic violence victims don’t want to call the police, but rather get a divorce and forget about this traumatizing experience as soon as possible. Then they can restart their life. I want to understand their personal choice and this perspective is important as well. And I didn’t really know what to say for a while. It’s like they’re saying “leave these victims alone! They want to move on with their life and heal!!” Only that no one is stopping the victims from doing so. (Although I think wife beaters should absolutely be reported. Given that most of them will commit the crime again and the level of the violence usually goes higher and higher.) But back to the point, I couldn’t deal with this comparison of “domestic violence victims not calling the police on their husbands because they want to move on” = “this is why there is no effort to hold the party/government/police/“related personnels responsible for stealing an innocent’s life away for 27 years”. So I posted more and then I saw another post by someone else, which referenced this original post. And this other post said “look at the responders of the original post, these people have no empathy”. And I was going to explode lol. There was about 4 people who responded to the original post and I am one of them. So I think it’s fair that I thought “these people” included me. It’s like if there’s a murder, and the victim died, and the next of king of the victim goes “they weren’t a good person. Don’t worry about it.” And the police goes WELL, GUESS WE WON’T INVESTIGATE OR FIND THE KILLER. OR, they don’t investigate any murder because the victim is dead, the victim cannot express that they want “justice”. A crime as serious as this one (the crime that the state committed against this innocent man) is should be a crime committed against the state, the state should enforce its law. The state doesn’t get to not enforce the law because the victim said its ok we’re all a big happy family let’s just move on. But of course we’re talking about China so this is all a bunch of useless rant. I am just annoyed that I was asked by a report to be moved by this bullshit. But the reporter is probably writing this in Chinese. It’s not like they are not going to write a puff piece. So what was I expecting. But some other people has commented on the original post since and someone responded to me “I agree with what you said” and it made me happy and that maybe the 30min I just wasted on angry typing was not wasted (it was still wasted I think). I couldn’t deal with the CCN article because they referenced Global Times as if it’s not the party that’s writing the newspaper. They do acknowledge that the China Daily is a “state-run” entity, but stop short of the Global Times which is in my opinion only worse. But hey, maybe they just didn’t know about China enough (THEN WHY ARE YOU WRITING ABOUT CHINA YOU IGNORANT rear end). Thank you everyone!
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The junk collector posted:
maybe im just buying different poo poo then you but everything i own basically says made in vietnam thailand or laos. clothes dog food dog treats shoes. eveything except electronics. i do try to avoid buying made in china esp if its something ill be touching alot or something anything will be ingesting. dont want that lead poisoning turning me into a boomer.
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I don’t think much gets made in India. Like, the closest thing are clothes that come from Bangladesh.
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