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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Microsoft segmenting off the xbox from their own dominant operating system's ecosystem has always been the dumbest loving thing.

e: The real reason consoles are still a thing is DRM. It's like hardware denuvo, giving succor to the poor money men at game publishers who feel they have to do everything in their power to prevent people from playing for free, even if it's a huge waste of resources that undermines the product and accomplishes nothing.

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Aug 7, 2020

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's even funnier how they've come back around and now the Xbox has literally no reason to exist, not even counting how it ran all of its exclusive franchises into the ground.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
What's the tl dr on that Bioshock dlc cuz I'm not watching an hour long yt vid on it

Sardonik
Jul 1, 2005

if you like my dumb posts, you'll love my dumb youtube channel

site posted:

What's the tl dr on that Bioshock dlc cuz I'm not watching an hour long yt vid on it


-Daisy retconned to have just been pretending that she was going to kill the child at the behest of the luteces to 'make Elizabeth a killer'

-Elizabeth losing her powers then being brutally tortured with an ice pick and killed

-Elizabeth's plan was apparently to sacrifice herself so the plot of bioshock 1 can happen.

-Elizabeth creates an imaginary friend version of Booker who talks to her and guides her through everything

-Apparently the ending of Infinite didn't actually do anything and everything continues to exist as normal.


it bad

Sardonik fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Aug 7, 2020

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
I love bioshock 1 and infinite but I've never bothered with any of the dlc

thank you for saving me the time

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Sardonik posted:


-Daisy retconned to have just been pretending that she was going to kill the child at the behest of the luteces to 'make Elizabeth a killer'

-Elizabeth losing her powers then being brutally tortured with an ice pick and killed

-Elizabeth's plan was apparently to sacrifice herself so the plot of bioshock 1 can happen.

-Elizabeth creates an imaginary friend version of Booker who talks to her and guides her through everything

-Apparently the ending of Infinite didn't actually do anything and everything continues to exist as normal.


it bad

Big yikes to all of that

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 8 minutes!
unpopular opinion time: it's cool, and good, and healthy to laugh at PC gamers when they wait 4 years for a console game to get a lovely port that won't even run on most pc's

lmao just lmao

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Marx Was A Lib posted:

unpopular opinion time: it's cool, and good, and healthy to laugh at PC gamers when they wait 4 years for a console game to get a lovely port that won't even run on most pc's

lmao just lmao

most console games aren't even worth porting to PC. we've already got plenty of games, thanks

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I just wait years for most AAA games since by then they're not only dirt cheap but all the overhyped lovely ones have been forgotten about

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I just wait years for most AAA games since by then they're not only dirt cheap but all the overhyped lovely ones have been forgotten about

either it comes out with all the DLC included for $20, or it wasn't worth playing in the first place

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
I don’t think anyone was waiting four years for HZD to get a port. No one was really expecting it to happen, it was cool to hear it was happening, and sucks that the port was half-assed. Especially compared to the Death Stranding port that came out just a few weeks ago and kicked a ton of rear end on a technical level.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 8 minutes!
please tell me more about your opinions on these games you haven't played, Rutibex. i'm v. interested.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

caravan is easily the best part of fallout new vegas, one of the only enjoyable things in that game at all really

Nice Van My Man
Jan 1, 2008

I forget if I already complained about this with the last Mechwarrior game, but I just played the last Battletech game and I essentially have the same complaint:

The whole battletech universe is hosed gameplay wise because the progression goes from lighter mechs which have to balance jump jets/sensor tricks/weapons/general maneuverability to heavier mechs that move much slower and just plod forward alpha striking their enemies over and over again.

You go from more abilities and more demanding controls to fewer abilities and less demanding controls as the game goes on. They say the Atlas is for the best pilots, but any moron can pilot an Altas, that thing barely moves!

This was already apparent in the Mechwarrior games, but Battletech made it worse where the mid to late game just had nothing tactically interesting.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
In MW4 it was always fun taking a Raven that was loaded with flamers and just locking down assault mechs by constantly overheating them while running around like a crazy person but actually finishing them with that was basically impossible.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Nice Van My Man posted:

I forget if I already complained about this with the last Mechwarrior game, but I just played the last Battletech game and I essentially have the same complaint:

The whole battletech universe is hosed gameplay wise because the progression goes from lighter mechs which have to balance jump jets/sensor tricks/weapons/general maneuverability to heavier mechs that move much slower and just plod forward alpha striking their enemies over and over again.

You go from more abilities and more demanding controls to fewer abilities and less demanding controls as the game goes on. They say the Atlas is for the best pilots, but any moron can pilot an Altas, that thing barely moves!

This was already apparent in the Mechwarrior games, but Battletech made it worse where the mid to late game just had nothing tactically interesting.

battletech is based on a ruleset nearly forty years old that has not really had "new editions" doing full rules overhauls like dungeons and dragons or shadowrun or whatever. instead, the fanbase tries to balance it by saying like "okay for this battle your lance can only have mechs from the outer sphere planets circa 2835 AD" and it's this huge morass of lore and fake history that you have to wade through. even then, most scenarios are objective-based, because just focus-firing down a single 'mech at a time until they explode is tedious and boring

what i'm trying to say i guess is that battletech 2018 is frankly more enjoyable than i honestly woulda hoped for from a battletech game

i've never played a mechwarrior, are they good diversions if you can grab one cheap? i don't really know anything about them i guess, are they primarily multiplayer or do they do campaigns and stuff?

this is an unpopular board/wargame opinion, and not an unpopular video game opinion, but battletech is obviously a roll-and-write game, and probably only the third best in the genre behind doppelt so clever and cartographers. don't fuckin @ me.

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

just play megamek.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

SPACE HOMOS posted:

just play megamek.

then i don't get to play with my lil painted robot guys and what fun is that

i've actually been meaning to check out megamek for ages

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
Mechwarrior 5 was a bit rear end but MW2, 4, and Mercenaries are stone cold classics, try any of those.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Ugly In The Morning posted:

Mechwarrior 5 was a bit rear end but MW2, 4, and Mercenaries are stone cold classics, try any of those.

I liked MW3 as well back in the day, not sure how it holds up.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

HardDiskD posted:

I liked MW3 as well back in the day, not sure how it holds up.

It’s really good but I don’t think it hit the lofty heights of 2/4/Mercs.

It was better than Heavy Gear but not as good as Heavy Gear 2.

The Breakfast Sampler
Jan 1, 2006


Fartbox posted:

I wish we all could just admit that consoles are just computers these days, they even have the same components. They're just prepackaged computers and it doesn't make sense that they have exclusive titles for each platform.

All platforms should share playerbase, games and have controllers/mouse/keyboard setups that you can use hover you want

well, well, well

if it isn't someone with a correct opinion.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

consoles are good because even if they're just PCs under the hood they're standardized PCs and you can just download a game and play it rather than making sure your directx settings are correct and it's not going to stutter the whole game because you made the mistake of buying an AMD CPU when you built the thing

i'm a huge goddamn nerd and i've built five or six really stupidly overpowered PCs in my life but i still do most of my gaming on consoles because who the gently caress has time for that poo poo

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

it sucks though when the game stutters and you can do nothing about it

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Ruffian Price posted:

it sucks though when the game stutters and you can do nothing about it

for the current gen of consoles i have found that 9 times outta 10 when a game starts stuttering it means it's time to clean the case vents with some canned air, i can't really remember a modern game where i've noticed frame rates dropping to unacceptable levels during play unless there's something else going on (like if my connection goes fucky during Warzone or something). bloodborne gets a little janky at times i guess but seems like they fixed the engine for DS3.

Nice Van My Man
Jan 1, 2008

food court bailiff posted:

i've never played a mechwarrior, are they good diversions if you can grab one cheap? i don't really know anything about them i guess, are they primarily multiplayer or do they do campaigns and stuff?

this is an unpopular board/wargame opinion, and not an unpopular video game opinion, but battletech is obviously a roll-and-write game, and probably only the third best in the genre behind doppelt so clever and cartographers. don't fuckin @ me.

I don't think the last MW (5 I think it was?) is good at all, unless you're really nostalgic for some big robots stomping around. It's currently free if you have the xbox game pass for Windows. Mechwarrior, compared to other mech games has always tried to feel more "simulation-y". You move with tons of momentum and there's heat management stuff. I also like that the robots look more like military equipment and less like people in sci-fi armor (some do, but gently caress those designs, inverted legs for life!).

I think you're right that the problems run deep into the lore, so I don't have high hopes for a great Mechwarrior game. Probably why the series has been so stagnant/dead. It's a shame, because I like the aesthetic.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



I love Battletech and I've played it since the 80s, but it's got some serious problems especially in video game form. The biggest problem is the size of the battles are super small so the advantages that the lighter mech chassis bring to the table is irrelevant.

In the lore there are reasons to use lighter mechs. Some units field exclusively light/mediums because they're essentially recon specialists, for example, or artillery spotters, or emergency relief units. None of that poo poo matters in a lance-sized battle, you just want as many guns as you can bring to bear.

In tabletop this isn't a big deal cuz you can agree on point values or tonnage limits, but in a video game where you're building a mercenary company you're going to go as big as you can.

Basically what we need is a Battletech game that operates on a regimental scale. Grand Strategy Battletech. LOOKIN AT YOU PARADOX

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
gently caress Mechwarrior, give me Mechcommander 3.

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

I love Battletech and I've played it since the 80s, but it's got some serious problems especially in video game form. The biggest problem is the size of the battles are super small so the advantages that the lighter mech chassis bring to the table is irrelevant.

In the lore there are reasons to use lighter mechs. Some units field exclusively light/mediums because they're essentially recon specialists, for example, or artillery spotters, or emergency relief units. None of that poo poo matters in a lance-sized battle, you just want as many guns as you can bring to bear.

In tabletop this isn't a big deal cuz you can agree on point values or tonnage limits, but in a video game where you're building a mercenary company you're going to go as big as you can.

Basically what we need is a Battletech game that operates on a regimental scale. Grand Strategy Battletech. LOOKIN AT YOU PARADOX

I like battletech table top for the reasons most people who like the Battletech PC game hate tt rules. I like pilot checks on stepping backwards, then falling over to have my pilot get knocked out. I like getting that lucky machine gun snipe on a larger mech. I don't care about my nameless pilot - I do enjoy ammo bins exploding.

Having someone come up with a good scenario in playing online with megamek is fun. A few years back random goons got together and played a 5v5 match. TT rules can be really fun but very time consuming.

...

While typing this out I downloaded the latest version of megamek. I forgot that it requires the Java runtime. So nevermind don't download megamek.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

just lmao if you don’t have an unpatched JRE on your computer that auto-loads flash content and doesn’t block ads

just lol

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Pssh, viewing porn sites on ie6 and opening every junk email attachment is where it's at

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
who among us does not browse sa using a vm of mac osx.13 running a vm of osx.2 in classic compatibility mode so you can use netscape navigator 2.0

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
I don’t. I use a WebTV

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

food court bailiff posted:

consoles are good because even if they're just PCs under the hood they're standardized PCs and you can just download a game and play it rather than making sure your directx settings are correct and it's not going to stutter the whole game because you made the mistake of buying an AMD CPU when you built the thing

i'm a huge goddamn nerd and i've built five or six really stupidly overpowered PCs in my life but i still do most of my gaming on consoles because who the gently caress has time for that poo poo

I've been building my own computer since small times, by no means an expert, I literally look up a fucknig tutorial or guide every time and each new machine I nearly have a heart attack because I think it's all hosed up but really I just plugged my monitor into the mobo instead of gfx card or some poo poo. Outside of researching which mid-range prices have the best stuff when ordering it, I basically never have to gently caress with it again. I honestly don't even go into the settings menu most of the time these days. Death Stranding ran and looked great out of the box. Direct X updates itself with each game as far as I can tell and if you build a computer around or after a new console generation it's basically bound to run everything that generation of consoles will. I can't remember the last time I had to gently caress with anything to run some game. The people who do habitually gently caress with that stuff are people who just want to be loving with that stuff anyway.

I mostly skip consoles because it usually seems like so close to the price of a new computer already it's too hard to not just hold out and upgrade PC, but also I don't want to either buy a TV or find some kind of HDMI swapper for my monitor. Plus any games I buy for it will be basically gone once the next console version is out. I use a computer for work, art, media, everything so it always makes more sense to keep up with a good PC anyway. Console exclusives are the only thing incentive and even those often get ported or in the very long-term, emulated.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Really the big thing you have to watch for is lovely pc ports than run worse better hardware than they do on a box from 2013

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
What I like about gaming on a computer is how personalized it is. Like, yes, a console will consistently work the same way every time; and that’s nice sometimes. But with a PC, I’ve dicked around with the hardware, I’ve overclocked my CPU and GPU (not so much now with all the built in boost stuff), I’ve set fan curves, I’ve tweaked the settings for that sweet spot performance and looks. Half the fun is messing around with stuff and then running tests (I actually paid for 3Dmark!). It doesn’t always work on the first try but my setup is my setup, and I really like that.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

Rutibex posted:

most console games aren't even worth porting to PC. we've already got plenty of games, thanks

Is there anything on PC (or any other console) like PS4's Spider-Man?

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!
The 'stealth' segments in Spider-Man aren't very good.

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

tango alpha delta posted:

The 'stealth' segments in Spider-Man aren't very good.

Wrong.

Unpopular Videogame Opinion (apparently): Stealth is good. Eat your ADHD pills.

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Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

tango alpha delta posted:

The 'stealth' segments in Spider-Man aren't very good.

The one cool one was the one where you can call in Spider-Man to take out some mooks. The rest didn’t feel like they worked well.

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