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esperterra posted:A point so valid it was worth that double post tbh 
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He really carried the show this season. They had an interesting casting problem that I thought they did well on. Usually you have to cast kid versions of your adult actor for flashbacks, but they had to find an old guy to do a whole episode as Five grown up. I don't think the guy really looked the part, but he nailed the mannerisms and speech patterns.
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Aug 6, 2020 01:01
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twistedmentat posted:I only watched the first episode but it was driving me nuts that the swede played by a guy i know was holding his PPsh wrong. you never hold an SMG by the magazine https://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/101038117079/what-is-the-proper-way-to-hold-a-ppsh-41-when
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Aug 6, 2020 01:46
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ninjewtsu posted:i liked s2 a lot, though the last episode was kinda stupid yeah the stormtrooper aim is very annoying and made the swedes less of a threat and more of a nuisance. its never tense when they show up because you know they are just going to gently caress it up again except for poor ellior. tho i did it find it very funny that the one time someone uses a gun competently ends up with everyone dead anyways the show has basically the same strengths and flaws as season 1. excellent editing, cinematography, and music (although halfway tru i strated feeling like they were really abusing the whole thing with so many musical montages), bad writing and characterization. it improves in some senses, like letting the family actually have some kind of chemistry and giving the show more of a comedic tone. but the characters will still act like assholes for no reason whenever the plot demands it, and it was crazy how long it took for anyone to suggest everyone get together. the show still has a million plots that go nowhere and toothless villians. also the way the show treats the kennedy assassination is absolutely bizarre. but yeah its a lot more fun when you just enjoy the pretty visuals without caring too much about the plot making sense, and the hook for season 3 seems pretty cool
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Aug 6, 2020 17:45
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Speaking of excellent music, I appreciated the fact the soundtrack would switch to violin-heavy classical music every time Vanya’s powers were used even when she wasn’t the one using them. For a show that loves it’s on-the-nose soundtrack choices that felt more restrained in a pretty cool way and definitely helped with the tension it was going for whenever those powers actually did come out.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:06
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babypolis posted:it was crazy how long it took for anyone to suggest everyone get together. It kinda felt like an Arrested Development Season 4 situation where they wrote around not being able to get the actors together outside of very short periods of time. Except, outside of Ellen Page, the whole cast is nobodies right?
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Aug 6, 2020 19:52
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I actually liked keeping the characters split up at the beginning. Diego needed some solo stuff because he was pretty underdeveloped in S1, and then him and five was pretty fun because Diego is a fuckup and five has zero patience. Allison’s civil rights storyline was really good in my opinion and it let them go into her relationship with her powers in a way that worked better than “I lost custody of my daughter and I’m sad now”, and it was good for the whole her and Luther arc. And I don’t know how Vanya’s storyline could have worked without keeping her separated from everyone for a while, and that was a plot line that really used the 60’s setting well. Cult leader Klaus, while a fun concept, is something where they definitely should have jammed him back with Diego and Five at a minimum way sooner, Klaus and Ben is something that was already leaned on pretty heavily in S1 for obvious reasons, so “Ben is sick of Klaus’s poo poo” isn’t really something new or interesting.
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Aug 6, 2020 20:00
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I actually really like the UA core conceit that these people can basically overcome any physical obstacle but their crippled emotional and interpersonal faculties are the real cause of their problems. I find it rather compelling, if a bit middling on execution The civil rights storyline in a vacuum I thought it was fine but it was super duper awkward that none of the other characters engaged with it even slightly. It felt a little like "civil rights is something that only black people are going to be interested in" and while they definitely need to avoid the whole white savior thing from happening any of the other family members could have like, had some small amount of participation so it didn't feel so, er, segregated off. I mean every character kinda has their own little "box" of toys that the writers have them playing with when they aren't with the others and that's fine, we don't need to see diego trying to interact with vanya's kid, but it makes me a little uncomfortable when one of those boxes is labeled "racism" and it's still all kept entirely within that one character's box.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:31
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Yeah. I haven't finished it yet but it seemed a reasonable response to me. Plus he didn't just have a valid point, he was right. There was no way that cop was stopping without something going on
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Aug 7, 2020 01:31
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PostNouveau posted:It kinda felt like an Arrested Development Season 4 situation where they wrote around not being able to get the actors together outside of very short periods of time. yeah! I made that same comparison in my head, it was really bizarre Ugly In The Morning posted:Speaking of excellent music, I appreciated the fact the soundtrack would switch to violin-heavy classical music every time Vanya’s powers were used even when she wasn’t the one using them. For a show that loves it’s on-the-nose soundtrack choices that felt more restrained in a pretty cool way and definitely helped with the tension it was going for whenever those powers actually did come out. That was Vanyas theme, the same song she played when she destroys the world in S1. Good stuff for sure
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Aug 7, 2020 05:34
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babypolis posted:
I figured it was something like that. For something that usually goes for recognizable tracks I thought that was a great choice and made things waaaay tenser than they would have been. Unrelated, I loved the Consulate fight with the Swedes where it used the windows to go in and out of view as the fight went down the hall. It was really well executed and had a great sense of continuity, considering one of the participants could teleport. Edit: also I would totally watch a show that’s all Five blinking into random historical events. Make that happen, Netflix.
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Aug 7, 2020 05:41
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I dropped off the first episode a while back, but binged S1 in lockdown. It was okay. Season 2 is funnier and has a bit more heart and depth. A bit more. Also Ellen Page is tiny. Coming out of the cornfield being towered over by the pubescent? Crazy tiny
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Aug 7, 2020 07:34
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Sloth Life posted:
Pretty sure she’s the shortest member of the cast besides the literal teenager who plays five; and I think that’s some great casting. In both seasons she’s pushed around a shitload and being physically smaller than everyone around her in all the frames works well with that. There’s times she’s above everyone, but it is always when her power is unleashed.
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Aug 7, 2020 07:40
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So I finished the second season and it was pretty good. Definitely a step up from the first one, which was way more style than substance. Now it's a bit more even. 5 and Ellen Page are still the best. Marin Ireland was cool too. Weirdly enough, I really liked Diego this time around. I barely remember him from the first season, other than him brooding a lot and throwing knives around. It was a good idea to emphasize his dumbassness, like him and Luther calling up Olga. Otherwise he's just some boring dude. I ended up liking Lila a lot too, although it took a few episodes. I did think it was a little weird that apparently no one bats an eye at an Indian woman walking around early 1960s Dallas, given how much time is spent on Allison's civil rights plot. But I got the impression everyone's storylines were written separately. And finally, I agree with Esco that a lot of the music choices are not very good. They're either too obvious (that Crazy cover, oof) or it's yet another fight scene set to an upbeat pop song, which gets a bit boring when it happens multiple times an episode. The point about them propping up a lazy scene rather than elevating a good one is pretty spot on. There's just so many of them too. Still an improvement over last season though, and Sunny is a really catchy song.
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Aug 8, 2020 05:15
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I thought the choice of Golden Brown was a bad one for Lila stepping out. It's about heroin. Well ok duh, but still. Billy Bones isn't nobody! He doesn't need a muscle suit, it's an ape suit. Dude is massive.
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Aug 8, 2020 06:13
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Diego is a lone wolf killer who happens to be a massive
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Couple of spoiler questions after finishing the season, wondering if I missed things or just cases of "don't think about it!" 1) What was Reginald Hargreeves's plan? -In the MJ12 meeting, we hear the members discussing preparations for JFK's arrival. -Grace finds a map of the motorcade route in his office with an ominous "X" in the middle. -In the original timeline, he was present for the shooting and caught on the Frankel footage. He ended up planting an imitator there to troll Diego and cackle at him as the fatal gunshots ring out in the background. All of this suggests that RH is aware of the plot if not an active participant. But in the final meeting with MJ12, he's shocked and appalled that they've assassinated JFK because "the president was not to be harmed." So what the hell? He clearly knew MJ12 was planning something for the motorcade specifically. Did he think they were putting on a surprise fireworks show? 2) What was AJ Carmichael's plan in signaling Herb "743"? Both Carmichael and the Handler seem to expect the order to be damning for her, but this quickly turns out to be a narrative misdirect because the document doesn't reference her at all. If Carmichael knew the order was documented, how did he not know she forged his stamp and left her involvement out? And if that's the case, why did she initially panic when Lila confronted her with it?
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Aug 8, 2020 19:22
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Man that scene with Ben and Vanya was fantastic. Though I'm a bit confused why everyone just went along with the Controller. Also I'd say Vanya wasn't responsible for the destruction of the FBI building, if they had not been torturing her, nothing would have happened.
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Aug 9, 2020 03:53
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Without having seen the scene if they were torturing her they got what they deserved
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Aug 9, 2020 04:00
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Milo and POTUS posted:Without having seen the scene if they were torturing her they got what they deserved Oh yea, but blaming Vanya for the end of the world is a bit much Also, I'm not a huge fan of Lila suddenly having everyones powers. the episode better explain how that happened, or it will be really silly to pull that out of thin air
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Aug 9, 2020 04:15
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twistedmentat posted:Oh yea, but blaming Vanya for the end of the world is a bit much She is one of the kids like they are and her power seems to be to copy the power of the person she's fighting, pretty standard superhero poo poo
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socialsecurity posted:She is one of the kids like they are and her power seems to be to copy the power of the person she's fighting, pretty standard superhero poo poo Yea they explained that almost as soon as I posted that, hah. Heh Diago She's not our biological sister right?
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Aug 9, 2020 04:26
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twistedmentat posted:Also, I'm not a huge fan of Lila suddenly having everyones powers. the episode better explain how that happened, or it will be really silly to pull that out of thin air She actually showed it off much earlier in the season, when she's fighting Five. You don't see/hear it happen, but she's suddenly across the room a couple of times before he catches her. Since Five immediately realizes the Handler is there and tells her to come out, I thought the point was supposed to be that the Handler was pausing time (the way she did in S1) to troll Five.
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Aug 9, 2020 04:45
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twistedmentat posted:
I mostly don't like how they managed to find a more boring super power than Luther's sorta-kinda super strength. Feels like a cop-out.
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Aug 9, 2020 07:21
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The kid who plays five totally deserves whatever awards that exist for tv acting. He's amazingly engaging to the point when he's not in the scene it automatically feels like something is missing. The show is great. As someone who doesn't really like the Marvel and justice league DC comic superheroe storylines, this and the Boys are fantastic counter-narratives.
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Aug 9, 2020 09:28
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Collateral posted:I thought the choice of Golden Brown was a bad one for Lila stepping out. It's about heroin. Well ok duh, but still. I just figured it was a nod to Snatch, which I believe uses the same song during/around a bare-knuckle fight scene.
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Aug 9, 2020 18:55
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The songs aren't always 1:1 comments on the scene they score.
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Aug 9, 2020 19:46
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I'm near the end of season 2. I hate the handler. not enjoyably hate, booo hiss,but actually hate. too far beyond the pale and no redeeming qualities. I don't think I will pick up a third season.
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Aug 9, 2020 20:33
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She's too boring for me, and in no way charismatic enough to pull off the stuff she does.
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Aug 9, 2020 20:41
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Yeah, I don't really care about her. I don't hate her or anything, but she's not very compelling. I'm excited for season 3 because Reginald makes for a better villain. What a lovely guy. And the Sparrow Academy has the potential to be pretty cool. Presumably they're all new people with different powers, except for Ben, and actually successful given that they're still working together in 2019. They're probably all a bunch of losers though, like Luther before he wised up.
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Aug 9, 2020 20:52
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Sloth Life posted:I'm near the end of season 2. I hate the handler. not enjoyably hate, booo hiss,but actually hate. too far beyond the pale and no redeeming qualities. I have good news about Season 3 then!
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Aug 9, 2020 23:06
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twistedmentat posted:Yea they explained that almost as soon as I posted that, hah. At this point the whole clan's gone full pornhub anyway but at least Diego has some reservations about it
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Aug 9, 2020 23:16
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after binging season 1 last year I had that dancing in the moon light song stuck in my head for weeks and as soon as I heard it playing in s2 I was like "you mother fuckers" 3 days later 
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Aug 10, 2020 00:08
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THE BAR posted:I mostly don't like how they managed to find a more boring super power than Luther's sorta-kinda super strength. Feels like a cop-out. To each their own, I guess, but I think empaths can be some of the cooler powered people if done well, far from boring. Admittedly, I do have a problem with the execution, since they didn't examine how it works other than the gotcha for 5 minutes of one episode, not to mention how she instantly mastered something that Vanya couldn't with years of training.
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It's going to be very interesting to see where they take the third season as there isn't a third "part" available currently, but who knows, with the pandemic the shooting schedule might get pushed back and the comic might come out before that. Not that the show follows the comic 100%, it's pretty drat different in a lot of ways. I was surprised how different when I checked out the comics after the second season.
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mastajake posted:To each their own, I guess, but I think empaths can be some of the cooler powered people if done well, far from boring. Admittedly, I do have a problem with the execution, since they didn't examine how it works other than the gotcha for 5 minutes of one episode, not to mention how she instantly mastered something that Vanya couldn't with years of training. Wait.. Did I miss something? What did she master that Vanya hasn't with years of training? Vanya hasn't had ANY training, she was mostly ignored and left alone by Hargreeves and the rest of her family, and then had amnesia when she got dropped in the past, not knowing she had powers. Lila at least has martial training from being with the Comission, which we saw a bit of, and probably had some data on the Umbrella Academy due to The Handler's knowledge of 5.
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PicklePants posted:Wait.. Did I miss something? Flashbacks in S1 showed that Hargreeves tried to train Vanya for years to control her powers before he gave up and had her memory erased. Lila's copying of their powers seems to come with an intuitive understanding of how to use them though- she also interrupts Allison mid-sentence and and rumors her without any practice at that. Voyager I posted:I have good news about Season 3 then! Calling it now: In S3's altered timeline, she's Grace at the Sparrow Academy and kills and replaces Reginald Hargreeves by episode 4. Then in episode 9, we find out the apocalypse is actually caused by Vanya. Avasculous fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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I'm re-watching season two with the boyfriend and I noticed that Lila literally always wears red shoes. I feel like that should be significant somehow? But I literally have no idea. vvvvv Oh drat I noticed it on Lila but never on the handler. Thanks for that. vvvvv Soysaucebeast fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Soysaucebeast posted:I'm re-watching season two with the boyfriend and I noticed that Lila literally always wears red shoes. I feel like that should be significant somehow? But I literally have no idea. It was foreshadowing because the Handler also always wore red shoes.
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