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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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it's super not gonna be Bass, everyone dropped their oppo dumps on her right away because they knew she was just a token 'lefty option'
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Aug 7, 2020 23:29
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sexpig by night posted:it's super not gonna be Bass, everyone dropped their oppo dumps on her right away because they knew she was just a token 'lefty option' if that's all Harris got on her from years of "hm, which other black ladies might challenge my niche, i must prepare to crush them", then she's actually in pretty good shape as far as oppo goes i'm less confident in her than I'm jokingly pretending but i think she's still plausible, and i'm lining up all the fish and musical instrument puns Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Aug 7, 2020 23:38
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The only thing I'd dispute about the Predictit ranking is how drat high Rice is, debatable as to whether I'm less enthused for her or Harris to become Vice President but tactically I think Rice is incredibly risky with little obvious upside. The only public profile Rice has is with Republicans who hate her, most reachable voters don't remember her barely cabinet-level position in the Obama administration, worst of all she's a non-politician with no track record on the campaign trail.
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Aug 7, 2020 23:43
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GreyjoyBastard posted:if that's all Harris got on her from years of "hm, which other black ladies might challenge my niche, i must prepare to crush them", then she's actually in pretty good shape as far as oppo goes its actually pretty strong oppo since democrats are dumb as gently caress and think someone getting called a socialist is the worst thing that can happen to them, politically
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Aug 7, 2020 23:44
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Nope, Dems are a pro-rape party now, so being a rapist is a huge selling point for getting a speaking role. Surprised they aren't bringing Al Franken up on the stage and forcing Gillibrand to publicly apologize to him now that they've taken MeToo behind the shed and put a bullet in it. Nah, they'll keep him as the token evidence that they totally take MeToo seriously, see, look at those consequences sticking to Al.
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Aug 7, 2020 23:45
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DynamicSloth posted:The only thing I'd dispute about the Predictit ranking is how drat high Rice is, debatable as to whether I'm less enthused for her or Harris to become Vice President but tactically I think Rice is incredibly risky with little obvious upside. The only public profile Rice has is with Republicans who hate her, most reachable voters don't remember her barely cabinet-level position in the Obama administration, worst of all she's a non-politician with no track record on the campaign trail. Rice is a terrible pick, doubly so for someone as old and mentally infirm as Biden. Harris is terrible, but at least she is a credible potential successor if something were to happen to Biden. The only reason for Biden to pick Rice is because he's more comfortable with her.
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Aug 7, 2020 23:56
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Pobrecito posted:Rice is a terrible pick, doubly so for someone as old and mentally infirm as Biden. Harris is terrible, but at least she is a credible potential successor if something were to happen to Biden. The only reason for Biden to pick Rice is because he's more comfortable with her. Honestly this makes it a pretty strong pick given the man's personality imo.
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Aug 8, 2020 00:00
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Think of the combined hours on Meet the Press that ticket will have logged, surely that's worth something in TYOOL 2020.
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Aug 8, 2020 00:03
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It would be insane to pick someone who has never stood for public office as VP. VP picks can't ever really help a campaign, but they sure as hell can hurt one, and naming Random Bureaucratic Functionary #8372 to be your running mate is gonna hurt you, no matter how competent you think they might be. And while the oppo on Bass is relatively weak, Rice has a mansion full of closets and each one is packed to the brim with skeletons. Her financial dealings alone are fodder for dozens of attack ads.
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Aug 8, 2020 00:06
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Wicked Them Beats posted:It would be insane to pick someone who has never stood for public office as VP. VP picks can't ever really help a campaign, but they sure as hell can hurt one, and naming Random Bureaucratic Functionary #8372 to be your running mate is gonna hurt you, no matter how competent you think they might be. I can't say I'm too hung up on the credentials. Really, Rice's problem is that she's a hideous monster who has gleefully helped destroy other countries. That's on top of designating BLM a Russian psyop in that authoritarian vein of 'every problem I caused is someone else's fault' liberals just can't get enough of these days. She's a natural pick for the candidate who repeatedly, unerringly insists that, no, really, he wants to give the police even more funding and crack even more skulls with complete disdain for the hoi polloi. https://twitter.com/sensorsweep/status/1291866629094158337?s=21 Is it really a surprise her kid is a fascist little savage?
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Aug 8, 2020 00:47
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punishedkissinger posted:its actually pretty strong oppo since democrats are dumb as gently caress and think someone getting called a socialist is the worst thing that can happen to them, politically i'm not sure this squares up with all the 'bernie had a chance' posting
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Aug 8, 2020 01:00
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Office Pig posted:I can't say I'm too hung up on the credentials. Really, Rice's problem is that she's a hideous monster who has gleefully helped destroy other countries. That's on top of designating BLM a Russian psyop in that authoritarian vein of 'every problem I caused is someone else's fault' liberals just can't get enough of these days. She's a natural pick for the candidate who repeatedly, unerringly insists that, no, really, he wants to give the police even more funding and crack even more skulls with complete disdain for the hoi polloi. I'm talking from a purely pragmatic angle, ie what does this pick accomplish for Biden's electoral chances. 100% agreed that she's a monster, but as far as that affects the election calculus, I don't know to what degree it's an issue. Possible that, due to extreme monsterism, she's the one with the background that most heavily depresses the left and causes them to say gently caress it and stay home, which could cause problems in swing states. She definitely aligns with Biden ideologically, and a Biden/Rice admin would bring bloody terror into American cities in response to "unrest" (which Joe no doubt finds an exciting prospect), but I think he's going to be pushed away from her both because of the huge glaring issues in her background and her complete lack of experience in getting voted into a job. And I really want to hear the rest of that clip. What does she think is a fair trade for declaring peacefully organized and protesting citizens terrorists? Student loan forgiveness for small business owners? Trump promising to only tweet twice a day?
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Aug 8, 2020 01:07
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i'm not sure this squares up with all the 'bernie had a chance' posting how? democrats widely support Sanders' policies and even find him personally likeable. however, as a group of boomers with poisoned brains, they thought running a socialist was too risky.
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Aug 8, 2020 01:26
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I'm talking from a purely pragmatic angle, ie what does this pick accomplish for Biden's electoral chances. 100% agreed that she's a monster, but as far as that affects the election calculus, I don't know to what degree it's an issue. Possible that, due to extreme monsterism, she's the one with the background that most heavily depresses the left and causes them to say gently caress it and stay home, which could cause problems in swing states. She definitely aligns with Biden ideologically, and a Biden/Rice admin would bring bloody terror into American cities in response to "unrest" (which Joe no doubt finds an exciting prospect), but I think he's going to be pushed away from her both because of the huge glaring issues in her background and her complete lack of experience in getting voted into a job. I believe the trade was, "The KKK Will be declared terrorists too."
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Aug 8, 2020 01:35
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i'm not sure this squares up with all the 'bernie had a chance' posting The world over, the centrist wing of parties like Labour or the dems has always shown more competence at fighting internal insurgency then actually opposing the right and winning elections, so no, not really.
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Aug 8, 2020 01:57
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That the New York Times or whoever is foaming at the mouth about Bass and calling her a communist tells you 1) She's the only good candidate, and 2) Biden will never pick her in a million years Biden is already promising to increase police funding, it's going to be Harris
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Aug 8, 2020 02:01
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Clearly more funding for police and not people is the only answer to this problem. 
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Aug 8, 2020 03:11
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Syfe posted:Clearly more funding for police and not people is the only answer to this problem. Obviously. Eventually the cops will beat enough protestors that there won't be anyone else left to call bullshit on the government.
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Aug 8, 2020 03:19
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punishedkissinger posted:its actually pretty strong oppo since democrats are dumb as gently caress and think someone getting called a socialist is the worst thing that can happen to them, politically yea that like three days of dumping was perfect for its target audience. It all at once cast her as a Castro loving Marxist who loves a scary weird cult (and there's already a Catholic on the ticket so we don't need TWO of those!). It was completely meaningless but it made every DNC insider pucker their assholes at the thought of...what if...Trump...called her a Marxist?! We'd be doomed!
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Aug 8, 2020 03:37
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punishedkissinger posted:how? democrats widely support Sanders' policies and even find him personally likeable. however, as a group of boomers with poisoned brains, they thought running a socialist was too risky. Also Warren threw the primary
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Aug 8, 2020 04:02
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I find these attempted smears of Karen Bass amusing considering the Trump people have spent the last month saying that Biden is to the left of Sanders now
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Aug 8, 2020 04:10
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FlamingLiberal posted:I find these attempted smears of Karen Bass amusing considering the Trump people have spent the last month saying that Biden is to the left of Sanders now It's been said before that liberals just cannot understand that Republicans consider literally any opposition to them to be literal communists. Like sure, they could not care and just be disingenuous as usual to bludgeon the left, but no, all indications are they legitimately don't understand it and are blindsided every single time despite it being literally standard Republican talking points for 40 years
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Aug 8, 2020 05:00
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's been said before that liberals just cannot understand that Republicans consider literally any opposition to them to be literal communists. Like sure, they could not care and just be disingenuous as usual to bludgeon the left, but no, all indications are they legitimately don't understand it and are blindsided every single time despite it being literally standard Republican talking points for 40 years They think about politics in terms of sort of idealized debates with Republicans. Basically like how Aaron Sorkin's shows are full of all the things he totally wishes he had said to own the conservatives, liberals have this idealized mental image of being like "You say you are patriotic and like veterans, but Tammy Duckworth is a veteran who lost limbs!" to a Republican, and the Republican going "Perhaps I have been wrong, and it is actually Democrats who are the brave patriots." One of the goofiest things in general about liberal rhetoric is the obsession with proving that liberals are the real patriots/christians/capitalists/etc. It's like they think that Republicans will suddenly realized that they've been misguided all this time and true patriotic Christians should be Democrats (basically what happened with Elizabeth Warren). My dubious psychoanalysis is that this often stems from a desire to reconcile with a stern conservative father figure.
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Aug 8, 2020 06:21
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's been said before that liberals just cannot understand that Republicans consider literally any opposition to them to be literal communists. Like sure, they could not care and just be disingenuous as usual to bludgeon the left, but no, all indications are they legitimately don't understand it and are blindsided every single time despite it being literally standard Republican talking points for 40 years in this case the 'she's a comminist' attacks were coming from the left, i.e. kamala harris. Setting that aside, I think the premise of the rest of your post is really shaky as it really is common knowledge that the right will whine about communism any chance they get. No one really pays it any mind outside of right wing idiots and i think the success of bernie and the justice dems really is evidence of how little of a gently caress liberals give about the right yelling about communism. Ytlaya posted:They think about politics in terms of sort of idealized debates with Republicans. Basically like how Aaron Sorkin's shows are full of all the things he totally wishes he had said to own the conservatives, liberals have this idealized mental image of being like "You say you are patriotic and like veterans, but Tammy Duckworth is a veteran who lost limbs!" to a Republican, and the Republican going "Perhaps I have been wrong, and it is actually Democrats who are the brave patriots." idk I don't think this has much to do with american liberalism. I agree that it seems like dubious psychoanalysis E: \/ yeah i'd agree with that generally Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Aug 8, 2020 |
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Aug 8, 2020 06:40
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If we're being charitable, it could just be that acknowledging the thing you've dedicated your adult life to was a big loving lie is pretty hard, so most people don't manage to get there. The cynical interpretation is that the democratic bleating about justice is just as much an affectation as the republican appeal to a morality they don't actually have.
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Aug 8, 2020 06:50
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The thing about wanting a stern conservative father figure was a joke (though I'm pretty sure it actually does apply to some people), but it's definitely true that most liberals have this idea of wanting to "expose conservative hypocrisy" and a misguided sense that their own ideology stands alone as some sort of fact-based objective thing ("reality has a liberal bias"). I think this is mostly attributable to partisan media framing of things; it's not surprising that most liberals frame everything in as a response to conservatives when that's how nearly all the media covers political topics.
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Aug 8, 2020 08:05
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Ytlaya posted:The thing about wanting a stern conservative father figure was a joke (though I'm pretty sure it actually does apply to some people), but it's definitely true that most liberals have this idea of wanting to "expose conservative hypocrisy" and a misguided sense that their own ideology stands alone as some sort of fact-based objective thing ("reality has a liberal bias"). I think this is mostly attributable to partisan media framing of things; it's not surprising that most liberals frame everything in as a response to conservatives when that's how nearly all the media covers political topics. If we take this as a mirror of the Republicans, of a sort, though, it makes sense in its own way. Republicans scream about how Obama is a Kenyan muslim terrorist lover married to a man, and it's absurd on its face to anyone outside their bubble, but it's messaging intended for their own bubble. In a far less disgusting manner, Rachel Maddow laying sick burns and owning dumb-dumb Republicans is intended for the MSNBC audience of people who consider themselves enlightened liberal thinkers. Unfortunately the reality the liberals are trying to peddle is still far removed from, well, reality, when you get to things like poverty, healthcare, etc., but these are not comfortable topics to discuss, especially for politicians! So the liberal thinking sphere slash bubble has to, by default, focus on laughing at the crazy Republicans (and whoo boy are they crazy, so low hanging fruit there) instead of any kind of introspection about what their policies actually accomplish. And conversely, if they do manage policies, well they're the most progressive thing that could've happened, so people complaining are just irrational bernie bros or what have you.
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Aug 8, 2020 10:49
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Rappaport posted:if they do manage policies, well they're the most progressive thing that could've happened This is the most infuriating thing, and I remember believing in it. Like, all liberal politicians are good and work hard and do their best, so everything that liberal politicians do must be the best they could have done, so whatever measures they're putting forward are the best ones they could do, so if progress doesn't happen it's because progress was always impossible, so if a problem still exists it's because it's the natural state of being, so so so Homelessness, war, poverty, sickness, racism, all of these things just fed through that wringer over and over and over as nothing changes It's Just World Theory applied to politicians
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Aug 8, 2020 13:05
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VitalSigns posted:Biden is already promising to increase police funding, it's going to be Harris Goddammit. Please don’t let it be Harris and please don’t let the election turn into “which party will promise to fund the police more?” I just want to be able to rest for a little. Just this one thing. Please.
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Aug 8, 2020 14:33
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If it really is Harris, there should be no question that the Democrats are controlled opposition and are throwing the election.
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Aug 8, 2020 14:46
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Ytlaya posted:One of the goofiest things in general about liberal rhetoric is the obsession with proving that liberals are the real patriots/christians/capitalists/etc. It's like they think that Republicans will suddenly realized that they've been misguided all this time and true patriotic Christians should be Democrats (basically what happened with Elizabeth Warren). My dubious psychoanalysis is that this often stems from a desire to reconcile with a stern conservative father figure. I think that's just a consequence of their ideology, not some psychological yearnings from their childhood. They're obsessed with the legitimacy of institutions, so they're already reluctant to consider that the Republican Party (a venerable American institution) doesn't act in good faith. They also believe that liberalism isn't an ideology at all, it's just inherently reasonable, so all they have to do to convert people is pwn their opponent with logic and reason. Take "Support the Troops". The GOP doesn't give a gently caress about the troops, that's just a slogan to attack anyone who questions the wars, or suggests we shouldn't do war crimes, or says we shouldn't send our troops to war without body armor ("the troops are willing to die for this country, they're real men, they don't want your pussy body armor libs!"). So libs think if they do a photoshoot in a tank or nominate a vet or whatever Republicans will go "oh wow you do support the troops after all we were wrong, sorry." And they're always blindsided when Republicans mock them for stealing valor instead: that tank photo-op is a joke, everyone can see liberals still hate the troops because they still aren't calling for carpet bombing Iran!
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Aug 8, 2020 14:59
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The simpler answer is that they're both on the same side, just not in the way people think when they talk about bipartisanship. They work as a team. Republicans implement regressive, racist, -phobic policies and generally get the ball rolling on as much clearly evil poo poo as they possibly can. Then they pass leadership to the Dems, and their job is to normalize all of that poo poo. "Damndest thing, now that the president has a D after their name, allowing the police to break into your home without a warrant or to kidnap you off the street for no reason is actually cool and good and necessary." Repeat forever.
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Aug 8, 2020 16:19
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Yes we've seen that with how Obama did almost nothing to stop the massive increase in presidential power that Bush asserted. Now Trump has been using it and it's doing far more damage. I don't think regular people realize how much Biden agrees with Trump on a lot of issues. He is not in favor of defunding police or holding them accountable. He is against universal healthcare or much of any improvement beyond fixes to Obamacare. He is against legal weed. His stances on criminal justice are way behind where the Dems as a party are now. He also wants to be belligerent towards China and has approved some anti-China ads that are just racist. I could go on for awhile but the point is that Biden is just another symbol of the systemic rot in our political system in this country, and the fact that he had such a bad platform and lack of interest in him as a candidate beyond 'well, maybe he can win' and was still able to get the nomination easily says a lot about this party.
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Aug 8, 2020 17:30
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Who's Jo Jorgenson? Is she like some sort of rare non-chud libertarian or is she just another of those "age of consent laws are tyranny" types?
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Aug 8, 2020 21:30
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Who's Jo Jorgenson? Is she like some sort of rare non-chud libertarian or is she just another of those "age of consent laws are tyranny" types? Well, she has rabies now.
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Aug 8, 2020 21:40
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Who's Jo Jorgenson? Is she like some sort of rare non-chud libertarian or is she just another of those "age of consent laws are tyranny" types? she has rabies hilariously but I think she's a generic stupid libertarian. I don't think she has any especially racist/rapist views so she's ahead of the curve a bit but she's still, ya know, a formal member of the libertarian party so I'm gonna assume she's not very bright as a baseline.
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Aug 8, 2020 21:42
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I’m calling it: I think it’ll be Val Demmings because of the cop/Florida/impeachment angle. She’s known and doesn’t vet too terribly, so not too much to come out in any oppo. Obv has existing House relationships which would be a plus. I think Biden’s selection criteria will be “avoid any/all controversy from either party.” I gave some thought about Duckworth, but I feel Demmings hits all the right notes for Biden.
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Aug 8, 2020 21:50
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AARP LARPer posted:I’m calling it: I think it’ll be Val Demmings because of the cop/Florida/impeachment angle. She’s known and doesn’t vet too terribly, so not too much to come out in any oppo. Obv has existing House relationships which would be a plus. I think if it's gonna be someone out of left field it'll be Demmings, yea
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Aug 8, 2020 22:18
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Did the bat violate the NAP?
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Aug 8, 2020 23:21
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If Kopmala isn't the VP pick, I will legit be surprised. This is the DNC's chance to backdoor her in to the White House since voters didn't want her in the primary.
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Aug 8, 2020 23:26
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