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I think "causality can't be violated" is an interesting premise on its own, since it beats free will to death like a baby seal, and the characters get to reckon with the fact that none of their choices in life have any cosmic significance and they'll have to live their life with that illusion shattered. If you ask me, that's a pretty grim fate. But I'm not going to jump that far ahead. This is very clearly that the Norns at minimum experience time as a line or a plane rather than a point. If causality can't be violated, it's a line. If it can/time can branch, it's a plane.
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Kat’s really gonna lose it when she learns they read Ah! My Goddess at her suggestion
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Dr Subterfuge posted:I suppose it could be confirmation of a loop. I guess the reason it doesn't seem as likely to me is because it's less interesting to me. To me this situation doesn't seem to require a loop any more than Jones' and Coyote's does, where the "solution" to the time paradox has been "deal with it" and the world merrily continues without needing to explain its apparent contradictions. If the real solution is "causality can't actually be violated, what we are seeing is iterations of the same timeline interacting with each other" that takes some of the magic out of the setting for me. But whether I think loops are fun or not doesn't preclude them from existing, so I'll retract my earlier statement. Many universes is the opposite of a loop, where each interaction forks off a fresh universe. Or there's the interpretation where in this universe Kat always goes back in time to save Annie but not always in exactly the same way.
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Splicer posted:Pretty sure she's saying they've had this meeting many times before but in this one she's started messing with time a little younger than usual. Maybe, or it could be that she meets with them multiple times over the course of her life. And this is the first one. Think of it like the wormhole aliens from DS9 who don't have a linear sense of time. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 15:08
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maybe Kat can't handle the concept of magic or time shenanigans, but if the norns find the right anime/manga comparison to make, she'll think it's cool
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Splicer posted:A loop implies one timeline, part of the past of which is dependent on future actions. Kat's idea of a loop is explicitly not a single timeline. It's where a progenitor Kat who experienced Annie's death goes back and changes the past, and subsequent Kats do a similar thing without feeling the loss first. That's the idea of a loop I was reacting to. Bootstrapping is also a sort of loop, but not the kind that would mean different iterations of Kat have visited the Norms. It's the kind that says this Kat is destined to visit them again in the future (to send the Tic Toc back in time multiple times, which has already happened), and what I was originally claiming.
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like if the norns bring up steins;gate then kat will forget about her crisis and just start getting into an argument about which steins;gate spinoff is the superior one and then she'll angrily log into myanimelist and leave 1/10 reviews
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Aug 12, 2020 18:41
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Oh no I've been saying Norms instead of Norns.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:46
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Oh no I've been saying Norms instead of Norns. Noms
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Aug 12, 2020 20:53
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"Norns" are beings from "Norse" mythology. "Nords" are from Skyrim. "Norms" are what recently proved insufficient to stop bad actors in government.
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Aug 12, 2020 21:18
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Norms are physical constants in the space-time continuum, usually found in drinking establishments where everyone knows your name
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Oh no I've been saying Norms instead of Norns. 
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It's a nice touch that each time we get a panel where someone else speaks, the Norns are drawn to mirror the speaker.
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Warmachine posted:It's a nice touch that each time we get a panel where someone else speaks, the Norns are drawn to mirror the speaker. I wonder how an animated version would handle this.
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Mraagvpeine posted:I wonder how an animated version would handle this. Camera angles.
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Wa11y posted:I'm sure I'm putting more thought into this than Tom has (and it may never be relevant to the story), but is Urth an extrapolation of what you would look like older, or an actual projection of you in the future? Like, if you were going to die in a few days, would Verthandi (present) and Urth (future) look pretty much the same, or will Urth always look like old you, even if you'll never get old (because you're immortal or dying)? Well, that answers that! I suppose it's time to stop questioning Tom, and just go along for the ride!
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The good news is, Tom can read your mind. The bad news is, Tom can read your mind.
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CJacobs posted:The good news is, Tom can read your mind. The bad news is, Tom can read your mind.
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*Kat sees herself in her late-20s* "Looks like you've lived a full life. Time to die."
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"One of us tells the truth and one always lies!" "What about the third one?" "The third one is holding a plant."
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CJacobs posted:"The third one is holding a plant." Ok, whoever said this speaks the truth.
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Kennel posted:*Kat sees herself in her late-20s*
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Kennel posted:Ok, whoever said this speaks the truth. But what if they're lying about which one is the third one 
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What if the first statement is also a lie?
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"All three of us are liars!! Haha!! Got you, dope!!" Zimmy says as she takes off her Skuld mask
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Oh no I've been saying Norms instead of Norns. In an alternate universe where time travel is common, a gatekeeping putdown involves this. "RREEEEE. No time can't be DONE that way. loving Nornies."
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Donkringel posted:In an alternate universe where time travel is common, a gatekeeping putdown involves this. "die shifted scum"
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CJacobs posted:"One of us tells the truth and one always lies!"
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Aug 16, 2020 03:01
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 This panel is my favorite Skuld panel
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Nitrousoxide posted:Maybe, or it could be that she meets with them multiple times over the course of her life. And this is the first one. Oh so like homestuck
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I know the appearance is highly customized, but this just makes it sound like a woman in her early thirties has lead a full life and can be discarded, which is a bit weird, honestly. Also, what happens if a person comes in who's already pretty much dead?
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It's because she undergoes Apotheosis.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I know the appearance is highly customized, but this just makes it sound like a woman in her early thirties has lead a full life and can be discarded, which is a bit weird, honestly. It would depend on whether that person feels like their life is entirely behind them.
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I'm sure she kind of already knows but all the same maybe no one should relay what Urðr just said to Paz.
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maswastaken posted:I'm sure she kind of already knows but all the same maybe no one should relay what Urðr just said to Paz. Yeah I read that whole confrontation scene that Zimmy intervened in as Paz trying desperately not to admit that to herself. madjack fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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cant cook creole bream posted:I know the appearance is highly customized, but this just makes it sound like a woman in her early thirties has lead a full life and can be discarded, which is a bit weird, honestly.
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The last few pages are very cool and Skuld is cute!
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Inspiration flashes and Kat shifts a version of herself from another universe so she can both spend time with Paz and get into hijinx with Annies
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Nitrousoxide posted:Maybe, or it could be that she meets with them multiple times over the course of her life. And this is the first one. Wow, guess I nailed that one.
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